Vegas Video discussions from 2006 (Q1Q2)

Brent Marks · March 6th, 2006, 02:18 PM

Yeah Vegas6c definately has scene detection...

I am sure it has carried over to Vegas6d

Larry Smith · March 6th, 2006, 06:52 PM

When I attempt to burn a dvd the Burning stops and I get a message that there is a IOCTL error. I have the latest firmware (2.1a) and the drive works fine with Ulead DVD Movie Factory as well as Roxio Media Creator. Any suggestions.

Brandon Wood · March 7th, 2006, 12:07 AM

I am overlaying a separate music track on top of a narrative in Vegas 5. I'd like to bring the volume up when the narrator pauses, and then back down again when the narration resumes. Is there an enveloping feature that allows me to set points on the audio to fade up and down? There must be a simple process to this, but I can't figure how to do it.

Lorinda Norton · March 7th, 2006, 01:42 AM

You'll think about smacking your forehead when you read this, Brandon! :)

Just highlight the track, click on Insert and select Audio Envelopes > Volume. It'll give you the blue line all ready for you to set your points!

Shawn Redford · March 7th, 2006, 01:56 AM

Brent and Chris - If you're referring to the Vegas external capture utility, then there is scene detection, but this capture does not work with HDV (a tragedy). I have looked again since your posts and cannot find any type of scene detection for the internal Vegas utility which is the only one that works with an HDV camera. DSE's post should be referring to Scene Detection in the non-HDV capture utility, because as Ed Troxel also points out on Jan 3, "Vegas' capture does not have scene detect for HDV at this time." (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=57327)

In any case, if you find an option for Scene Detection in the internal capture utility, I'd like to know exactly how you go about choosing that option. Beyond Scene Detection, I feel a lot more peace knowing that there is a 'dropped frames' counter in SplitHDV. Sony should have added HDV capability to the external utility, or at a minimum added these features to the internal utility, but I see no way to capture HDV footage and use Scene Detection (or check dropped frames) in Vegas 6c or 6d.

For Related Discussions:
http://www.sonymediasoftware.com/for...ssageID=420732
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=54446

Mark Bryant · March 7th, 2006, 03:01 AM

Shawn is correct, the Vegas internal capture for HDV does not have scene detection.

Patrick King · March 7th, 2006, 06:00 AM

OK, I've been editing with Vegas since it was called something else and owned by someone else, but I've got to admit, I'm as lost as last year's Easter eggs when it comes to placement of the plug-ins that are available for Vegas.

Based on some links here and in the Sony Vegas forum, I downloaded Wax, and several other plug-ins. Some are VST plug-ins for Audio and some are video transition plug-ins and some are video effect plug-ins. I've got them scattered all over my Programs folder and only about half are in the right place I think. And then there is the whole Presets thing; where are they supposed to be? I know where I have them, but none of these things self-install so when I unzip them and put them away, I'm just guessing what the organization should be.

Has DSE, Edward, Johnny, or anyone else written a tutorial about plug-in and preset management?

Brandon Wood · March 7th, 2006, 07:09 AM

Thanks Lorinda,

You're right. How simple!

Thanks

Douglas Spotted Eagle · March 7th, 2006, 08:01 AM

Brandon, if you have a lot of this to do, both Excalibur and Ultimate S have voice over tools thatwill totally automate the process, inserting "ducks" in the music whereever the voice is.
Additionally, if you wanted to get really fancy but with slightly less control, you could route both dialog and music to a bus, and use a compressor triggered by the voice, that would then lower the music. Envelopes are the easiest/accurate, but putting them in manually is the most time consuming.

Brian Kennedy · March 7th, 2006, 09:42 AM

If you have a lot of these "music ducks" to do and don't have Excalibur or Ultimate S, an easy way to get an initial rough draft of the volume envelope is to automate it. Then when you adjust the levels as you play, Vegas automatically adds points to the envelope. You can manually clean it up later.

Chris Barcellos · March 7th, 2006, 10:45 AM

Wow. Bummer. Must create some kind of problem with .m2t interpolation. Now I am curious about PPro 2.0. Does any one know if it has it. So far I've just been capturing using logged clips in PPro 2.0. I will check it out this evening.

Edward Troxel · March 7th, 2006, 11:44 AM

For Video Effects and Video Transitions, they should simply appear on the Effects and Transitions tabs in Vegas.

For Audio Effects that are VST, you may have to point Vegas to the proper location. Vegas looks in c:\program files\vstplugins by default but you can also specify a couple of alternate locations.

David Jimerson · March 7th, 2006, 12:28 PM

I'll second the on-the-fly automation solution Brian mentions. For a tactile-experience guy like me, it works the best -- it's kind of like drawing with sound.

Mike McKay · March 7th, 2006, 01:44 PM

Can you stop and start the capture manually selecting clips....ie: only capturing what you want rather than the whole tape with Vegas 6d? Would this work as a poor man's scene detection with HD?

Mark Bryant · March 7th, 2006, 02:10 PM

Sure, you could do that.
You could also use the HDV split utility (topic of this thread) to capture, then edit with Vegas.

March 6th, 2006, 02:18 PM	#661
Brent Marks Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Houston TX and New Orleans LA Posts: 300	Yeah Vegas6c definately has scene detection... I am sure it has carried over to Vegas6d __________________ I produce High Quality content with My Certain Style... I cover South Padre, TX to Tampa Bay, FL FYI: That includes... Corpus Christi, Galveston, Houston, Beaumont/ Lake Charles, Lafayette, Baton Rouge, New Orleans, Biloxi, Mobile, Penscola, Ft. Walton, Panama City... Any every little city and town in between. If you need anything, Let's talk...

March 6th, 2006, 06:52 PM	#662
Larry Smith Tourist Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1	DVDA 3 and Sony DRU-500a Burning Problem When I attempt to burn a dvd the Burning stops and I get a message that there is a IOCTL error. I have the latest firmware (2.1a) and the drive works fine with Ulead DVD Movie Factory as well as Roxio Media Creator. Any suggestions.

March 7th, 2006, 12:07 AM	#663
Brandon Wood Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Mauriceville, TX Posts: 146	Increasing & Decreasing Audio in Vegas 5 I am overlaying a separate music track on top of a narrative in Vegas 5. I'd like to bring the volume up when the narrator pauses, and then back down again when the narration resumes. Is there an enveloping feature that allows me to set points on the audio to fade up and down? There must be a simple process to this, but I can't figure how to do it.

March 7th, 2006, 01:42 AM	#664
Lorinda Norton Wrangler Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southwest Idaho, USA Posts: 3,066	You'll think about smacking your forehead when you read this, Brandon! :) Just highlight the track, click on Insert and select Audio Envelopes > Volume. It'll give you the blue line all ready for you to set your points! __________________ Lorinda

March 7th, 2006, 01:56 AM	#665
Shawn Redford Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 158	Internal Capture has no Scene Detection Brent and Chris - If you're referring to the Vegas external capture utility, then there is scene detection, but this capture does not work with HDV (a tragedy). I have looked again since your posts and cannot find any type of scene detection for the internal Vegas utility which is the only one that works with an HDV camera. DSE's post should be referring to Scene Detection in the non-HDV capture utility, because as Ed Troxel also points out on Jan 3, "Vegas' capture does not have scene detect for HDV at this time." (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=57327) In any case, if you find an option for Scene Detection in the internal capture utility, I'd like to know exactly how you go about choosing that option. Beyond Scene Detection, I feel a lot more peace knowing that there is a 'dropped frames' counter in SplitHDV. Sony should have added HDV capability to the external utility, or at a minimum added these features to the internal utility, but I see no way to capture HDV footage and use Scene Detection (or check dropped frames) in Vegas 6c or 6d. For Related Discussions: http://www.sonymediasoftware.com/for...ssageID=420732 http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=54446

March 7th, 2006, 03:01 AM	#666
Mark Bryant Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Bath, England Posts: 119	Shawn is correct, the Vegas internal capture for HDV does not have scene detection.

March 7th, 2006, 06:00 AM	#667
Patrick King Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Enterprise, AL Posts: 857	Which folder to plug-ins go in? OK, I've been editing with Vegas since it was called something else and owned by someone else, but I've got to admit, I'm as lost as last year's Easter eggs when it comes to placement of the plug-ins that are available for Vegas. Based on some links here and in the Sony Vegas forum, I downloaded Wax, and several other plug-ins. Some are VST plug-ins for Audio and some are video transition plug-ins and some are video effect plug-ins. I've got them scattered all over my Programs folder and only about half are in the right place I think. And then there is the whole Presets thing; where are they supposed to be? I know where I have them, but none of these things self-install so when I unzip them and put them away, I'm just guessing what the organization should be. Has DSE, Edward, Johnny, or anyone else written a tutorial about plug-in and preset management? __________________ Fear No Weevil!

March 7th, 2006, 07:09 AM	#668
Brandon Wood Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Mauriceville, TX Posts: 146	Thanks Lorinda, You're right. How simple! Thanks

March 7th, 2006, 08:01 AM	#669
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	Brandon, if you have a lot of this to do, both Excalibur and Ultimate S have voice over tools thatwill totally automate the process, inserting "ducks" in the music whereever the voice is. Additionally, if you wanted to get really fancy but with slightly less control, you could route both dialog and music to a bus, and use a compressor triggered by the voice, that would then lower the music. Envelopes are the easiest/accurate, but putting them in manually is the most time consuming. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

March 7th, 2006, 09:42 AM	#670
Brian Kennedy Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Washington DC Posts: 126	If you have a lot of these "music ducks" to do and don't have Excalibur or Ultimate S, an easy way to get an initial rough draft of the volume envelope is to automate it. Then when you adjust the levels as you play, Vegas automatically adds points to the envelope. You can manually clean it up later. __________________ Brian Kennedy

March 7th, 2006, 10:45 AM	#671
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Wow. Bummer. Must create some kind of problem with .m2t interpolation. Now I am curious about PPro 2.0. Does any one know if it has it. So far I've just been capturing using logged clips in PPro 2.0. I will check it out this evening. __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

March 7th, 2006, 11:44 AM	#672
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	For Video Effects and Video Transitions, they should simply appear on the Effects and Transitions tabs in Vegas. For Audio Effects that are VST, you may have to point Vegas to the proper location. Vegas looks in c:\program files\vstplugins by default but you can also specify a couple of alternate locations. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

March 7th, 2006, 12:28 PM	#673
David Jimerson Jubal 28 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 872	I'll second the on-the-fly automation solution Brian mentions. For a tactile-experience guy like me, it works the best -- it's kind of like drawing with sound. __________________ www.wrightsvillebeachstudios.com

March 7th, 2006, 01:44 PM	#674
Mike McKay Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Vancouver Posts: 125	Can you stop and start the capture manually selecting clips....ie: only capturing what you want rather than the whole tape with Vegas 6d? Would this work as a poor man's scene detection with HD?

March 7th, 2006, 02:10 PM	#675
Mark Bryant Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Bath, England Posts: 119	Sure, you could do that. You could also use the HDV split utility (topic of this thread) to capture, then edit with Vegas.