Vegas Video discussions from 2006 (Q1Q2)

John Rofrano · March 2nd, 2006, 12:58 PM

You can use the Pixel Tracker in Bauhaus Mirage to lock a pixel down and motion stabilize your footage. I’ve used this on HDV footage and it works quite well. Here is a link to the pixel tracking tutorial on their web site. This is just a fraction of what this tool can do.

~jr

Patrick King · March 2nd, 2006, 01:06 PM

1. I dunno, I can't help except that maybe you've selected Manual Post-Edit Ripple and the system is waiting for you to do something it can Ripple and then it will highlight the button to let you Ripple. Vegas manual page 110.

2. See Edward Troxels' Newsletter and page 285 in the Vegas manual. The Newsletter Index is here.
Vol 1 #02 - March 2003
Creating a PIP using Track Motion – Part 1
Vol 1 #03 - April 2003
Creating a PIP using Track Motion – Part 2
Vol 1 #04 - April 2003
Creating a PIP using Track Motion – Part 3

3. Add a Volume Envelope to the Audio track, create two points at the beginning of where you want the volume to ramp down and two more at the end where you want the volume to ramp back up. Then just pull the Volume line down between the center two points. Page 163 in the Vegas manual.

Yi Fong Yu · March 2nd, 2006, 02:12 PM

these all look complicated.

i bet you can create a cheaper alternative john! =). doesn't vegas itself have some rudimentary motion trackings?

Emre Safak · March 2nd, 2006, 03:12 PM

Tracking is not a rudimentary task at all! It's an important branch of compositing and rotoscoping. An art unto itself.

Quito Washington · March 2nd, 2006, 03:54 PM

really appreciate all of you taking the time to answer
cheers
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Yossi Margolin · March 2nd, 2006, 07:34 PM

Boyd,

Which DVD recorder do you use?

Paul Kepen · March 3rd, 2006, 06:25 PM

I mostly (always, really) do 16x9 projects. Everything works fine in Vegas 6 except that the preview monitor on the desk top squezzes it to 4x3. I have a dual monitor set up, display 1 is a 19" Sony LCD, display 2 is a 17" Sony CRT. If I have the preview on "external monitor" toggled on, it displays on the 17" crt monitor - but in an exagerated wide format, soomething like stretching 16x9 to 2.35 or more. What is more interesting is that if I undock the Vegas monitor and move it to display #2, it displays in correct 16x9 format. Both monitors are operating at 1280 x 1024. Project properties are NTS DV Widescreen 720x480, Pixel aspect 1.2121 (NTSC DV Widescreen). Any one else have this problem?

Sandy Thordarson · March 3rd, 2006, 10:33 PM

I'm in the process of trying to decide which one to purchase. Is the video quality of one better (jaggies on text) better than the other? Any advice from anyone who has used these pgms would be appreciated.
thanks in advance

Seth Bloombaum · March 4th, 2006, 01:20 AM

Try right-clicking on the preview monitor and checking "simulate output device aspect ratio".

Edward Troxel · March 4th, 2006, 07:11 AM

Have you tried them both? It would be best to find which one works best for you/matches your workflow. For example, Heroglyph integrates directly into Vegas while BluffTitler is a standalone. As for quality, they should both do a great job for you.

John Kang · March 4th, 2006, 09:09 AM

I've been admiring the works of Nicholas Bartlett on the FX-1 forum.

It's amazing what he is doing with his FX and his Kona LH card. Check out http://www.pixelloft.com/akala.htm. I like the video and the way he shoots for his FX-1. You can check out his 3LFlex music video for "behind the scenes" shots to get a better understanding of lighting for a camera.

This got me to thinking about working in the HDV format...

If everything I've heard of and read about is correct. It's easier to work in HD format than in the HDV format. It should be easier to edit in Vegas 6.0, as well. How about on the Vegas Movie Platnum? Is there a work around to work in HD on the Movie Platnum version? The comparison chart for Vegas shows that only the Pro version supports HD editing. Platnum only supports HDV.

Using my ATI Radion X900 card which supports HD component in, I should be able to record HD content.

While this would not be a Kona card, should it work about the same for capture? I mean compression wise, 4:2:2 color, etc...

Again, I have only used Vegas Movie Platum to edit HDV content, once. Right now, I'm just working in Standard DV with the system and I don't have access to 6.0 and don't want to install a demo version to test this.

Lamar Lamb · March 4th, 2006, 01:31 PM

I'm in a delima here. I decided to buy DVFilm Maker in order to convert the 60i footage shot with my PD170's to 24P. I'm not doing this for the love of 24P or anything. I like 60i fine but I need to pan and scan on some footage I have in a current project and DVFilmMakers conversion of interlace to progressive was the best I've seen for the price. Plus I get the added advantage of faster render times. (If you don't take into account the conversion process :-))

So I converted all my footage and rendered out a MPEG-2 for DVD Architec 24P. When I get the final DVD burned it won't play at all on Sony PlayStation or any of the the other stand alone dvd players I have here at the house. The menu comes up and you can select scenes but when you start the video it runs a second or two the pauses about 3 to 5 seconds and repeats. The 60i NTSC version I rendered doesn't do this. I can run the 24P dvd off my hard drive or computer dvd drive. Am I wrong in assuming normal DVD players can handle 24P? I guess they have to be progressive scan?

I have had problems with stuttering 60i DVD's before but found if I burned them at the slowest speed available (2.4x) they would play normally. I burned these on -R's and +R's of three different brands (Maxell, Memorex, and Sony - they all probably came from the same manufacturer in Taiwan.) and there was no difference in the stuttering on the 24P version.

I'm whipping out a 60i MPEG-2 version of the 24P project to try now. It is projecting more that 12 hours render time when the 24P went for 2.5 hours.

Anyone know what I'm doing wrong???

Vegas 5. DVD Arch 2. LiteOn 812s with a firmware patch up to an 832S now. I tried new firmware but it made no difference.

Brian Kennedy · March 4th, 2006, 02:13 PM

I have a PNG "lower third" graphic I use all the time. Instead of using the Explorer and navigating to it for each new project, I'd like to make it a permanent part of the Media Generators tab. Is this possible? I'm using Vegas 5.

David Jimerson · March 4th, 2006, 02:26 PM

All Hollywood movies are laid down to DVD in 24p, so the 24p isn't the problem. This has been the case since the early days.

Maybe you just had a bum render when you tried the 24p version? Could have been a glitch somewhere? Can you try rendering the project from DVDA again?

Maybe it was a bad burn? Did you try burning the 24p project to a different disc?

Maybe it was a defective disc?

Unless you deleted it, you should still have the prepared 24p project on your HDD, so you could try another burn.

Kevin Shaw · March 4th, 2006, 02:55 PM

HDV is a form of HD, so the question is whether you'd benefit from converting to some other HD codec. If your video card has HD component in then you'd have to know what format it uses to capture and edit HD video, and that might not be any better than working directly in HDV.

March 2nd, 2006, 12:58 PM	#631
John Rofrano Sponsor: VASST Join Date: May 2005 Location: New York Posts: 516	You can use the Pixel Tracker in Bauhaus Mirage to lock a pixel down and motion stabilize your footage. I’ve used this on HDV footage and it works quite well. Here is a link to the pixel tracking tutorial on their web site. This is just a fraction of what this tool can do. ~jr __________________ Developer: VASST Ultimate S, Scattershot 3D, Mayhem, FASST Apps, and other VASST Software plug-ins Web Site: www.johnrofrano.com

March 2nd, 2006, 01:06 PM	#632
Patrick King Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Enterprise, AL Posts: 857	1. I dunno, I can't help except that maybe you've selected Manual Post-Edit Ripple and the system is waiting for you to do something it can Ripple and then it will highlight the button to let you Ripple. Vegas manual page 110. 2. See Edward Troxels' Newsletter and page 285 in the Vegas manual. The Newsletter Index is here. Vol 1 #02 - March 2003 Creating a PIP using Track Motion – Part 1 Vol 1 #03 - April 2003 Creating a PIP using Track Motion – Part 2 Vol 1 #04 - April 2003 Creating a PIP using Track Motion – Part 3 3. Add a Volume Envelope to the Audio track, create two points at the beginning of where you want the volume to ramp down and two more at the end where you want the volume to ramp back up. Then just pull the Volume line down between the center two points. Page 163 in the Vegas manual. __________________ Fear No Weevil!

March 2nd, 2006, 02:12 PM	#633
Yi Fong Yu Trustee Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vulcan Posts: 1,564	these all look complicated. i bet you can create a cheaper alternative john! =). doesn't vegas itself have some rudimentary motion trackings? __________________ bow wow wow

March 2nd, 2006, 03:54 PM	#635
Quito Washington Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Darwin, Australia Posts: 34	thank you! really appreciate all of you taking the time to answer cheers Q __________________ http://www.quitofilms.com brash raw and fully independent

March 3rd, 2006, 06:25 PM	#637
Paul Kepen Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Minneapolis Minnesota Posts: 347	Monitor Preview always 4x3 ? I mostly (always, really) do 16x9 projects. Everything works fine in Vegas 6 except that the preview monitor on the desk top squezzes it to 4x3. I have a dual monitor set up, display 1 is a 19" Sony LCD, display 2 is a 17" Sony CRT. If I have the preview on "external monitor" toggled on, it displays on the 17" crt monitor - but in an exagerated wide format, soomething like stretching 16x9 to 2.35 or more. What is more interesting is that if I undock the Vegas monitor and move it to display #2, it displays in correct 16x9 format. Both monitors are operating at 1280 x 1024. Project properties are NTS DV Widescreen 720x480, Pixel aspect 1.2121 (NTSC DV Widescreen). Any one else have this problem?

March 2nd, 2006, 03:12 PM	#634
Emre Safak Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,447	Tracking is not a rudimentary task at all! It's an important branch of compositing and rotoscoping. An art unto itself.

March 2nd, 2006, 07:34 PM	#636
Yossi Margolin Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 85	Boyd, Which DVD recorder do you use?

March 3rd, 2006, 10:33 PM	#638
Sandy Thordarson New Boot Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 9	Heroglyph or BluffTitler I'm in the process of trying to decide which one to purchase. Is the video quality of one better (jaggies on text) better than the other? Any advice from anyone who has used these pgms would be appreciated. thanks in advance

March 4th, 2006, 01:20 AM	#639
Seth Bloombaum Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,420	Try right-clicking on the preview monitor and checking "simulate output device aspect ratio".

March 4th, 2006, 07:11 AM	#640
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Have you tried them both? It would be best to find which one works best for you/matches your workflow. For example, Heroglyph integrates directly into Vegas while BluffTitler is a standalone. As for quality, they should both do a great job for you. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

March 4th, 2006, 09:09 AM	#641
John Kang Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 219	hdv to HD for Vegas Movie Platnum? I've been admiring the works of Nicholas Bartlett on the FX-1 forum. It's amazing what he is doing with his FX and his Kona LH card. Check out http://www.pixelloft.com/akala.htm. I like the video and the way he shoots for his FX-1. You can check out his 3LFlex music video for "behind the scenes" shots to get a better understanding of lighting for a camera. This got me to thinking about working in the HDV format... If everything I've heard of and read about is correct. It's easier to work in HD format than in the HDV format. It should be easier to edit in Vegas 6.0, as well. How about on the Vegas Movie Platnum? Is there a work around to work in HD on the Movie Platnum version? The comparison chart for Vegas shows that only the Pro version supports HD editing. Platnum only supports HDV. Using my ATI Radion X900 card which supports HD component in, I should be able to record HD content. While this would not be a Kona card, should it work about the same for capture? I mean compression wise, 4:2:2 color, etc... Again, I have only used Vegas Movie Platum to edit HDV content, once. Right now, I'm just working in Standard DV with the system and I don't have access to 6.0 and don't want to install a demo version to test this.

March 4th, 2006, 01:31 PM	#642
Lamar Lamb Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Baxley, Georgia Posts: 103	24P DVD's Don't Play I'm in a delima here. I decided to buy DVFilm Maker in order to convert the 60i footage shot with my PD170's to 24P. I'm not doing this for the love of 24P or anything. I like 60i fine but I need to pan and scan on some footage I have in a current project and DVFilmMakers conversion of interlace to progressive was the best I've seen for the price. Plus I get the added advantage of faster render times. (If you don't take into account the conversion process :-)) So I converted all my footage and rendered out a MPEG-2 for DVD Architec 24P. When I get the final DVD burned it won't play at all on Sony PlayStation or any of the the other stand alone dvd players I have here at the house. The menu comes up and you can select scenes but when you start the video it runs a second or two the pauses about 3 to 5 seconds and repeats. The 60i NTSC version I rendered doesn't do this. I can run the 24P dvd off my hard drive or computer dvd drive. Am I wrong in assuming normal DVD players can handle 24P? I guess they have to be progressive scan? I have had problems with stuttering 60i DVD's before but found if I burned them at the slowest speed available (2.4x) they would play normally. I burned these on -R's and +R's of three different brands (Maxell, Memorex, and Sony - they all probably came from the same manufacturer in Taiwan.) and there was no difference in the stuttering on the 24P version. I'm whipping out a 60i MPEG-2 version of the 24P project to try now. It is projecting more that 12 hours render time when the 24P went for 2.5 hours. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong??? Vegas 5. DVD Arch 2. LiteOn 812s with a firmware patch up to an 832S now. I tried new firmware but it made no difference. __________________ Lamar Last edited by Lamar Lamb; March 4th, 2006 at 02:10 PM.

March 4th, 2006, 02:13 PM	#643
Brian Kennedy Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Washington DC Posts: 126	Add to Media Generator? I have a PNG "lower third" graphic I use all the time. Instead of using the Explorer and navigating to it for each new project, I'd like to make it a permanent part of the Media Generators tab. Is this possible? I'm using Vegas 5. __________________ Brian Kennedy

March 4th, 2006, 02:26 PM	#644
David Jimerson Jubal 28 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 872	All Hollywood movies are laid down to DVD in 24p, so the 24p isn't the problem. This has been the case since the early days. Maybe you just had a bum render when you tried the 24p version? Could have been a glitch somewhere? Can you try rendering the project from DVDA again? Maybe it was a bad burn? Did you try burning the 24p project to a different disc? Maybe it was a defective disc? Unless you deleted it, you should still have the prepared 24p project on your HDD, so you could try another burn. __________________ www.wrightsvillebeachstudios.com

March 4th, 2006, 02:55 PM	#645
Kevin Shaw Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,488	HDV is a form of HD, so the question is whether you'd benefit from converting to some other HD codec. If your video card has HD component in then you'd have to know what format it uses to capture and edit HD video, and that might not be any better than working directly in HDV.