Vegas Video discussions from 2006 (Q1Q2)

Heath Vinyard · March 1st, 2006, 02:33 PM

If going to DVD, what would be the best form to render in?

Fred Foronda · March 1st, 2006, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heath Vinyard

If going to DVD, what would be the best form to render in?

I keep mines in the cineform intermeidate format and go to sd dvd it looks good.

All it is is just swaping or replacing the m2t files right?

Thanks again Douglas!

Kevin Shaw · March 1st, 2006, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heath Vinyard

If going to DVD, what would be the best form to render in?

The best thing to do is render to 16x9 (widescreen) SD MPEG2, and make sure your DVD authoring software is capable of processing this correctly. The end result should be a disc which fills a 16x9 screen without distortion when played on a DVD player which is set for 16x9 output, and plays with black bars on the top and bottom when played to a 4x3 TV.

Graham Jones · March 1st, 2006, 06:54 PM

Handles it very well, I discovered this evening.

Andy Gordon · March 1st, 2006, 10:41 PM

When I render out an uncompressed avi as progressive 16:9 and bring the clip back into Vegas, it defaults to upper field first with aspect ratio 1. It's really annoying to have to right click and change the field order and aspect ratio every time, is there a reason it isn't recognising the field order and aspect ratio?

Dionyssios Chalkias · March 2nd, 2006, 04:30 AM

You mean bring it back to the same project or a new project. What are your default project properties?

In the project properties dialog box there's a button (folder symbol) for matching media settings. Click on it and then point to your rendered progressive file and the project properties will match those of the file.

Jon Omiatek · March 2nd, 2006, 07:55 AM

You could always burn to blue-ray, release of Samsungs drive is due in April. My fingers are crossed, LOL

http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news...+Nikko%29.html

Dale Paterson · March 2nd, 2006, 08:25 AM

Hi,

I have always had the same issue with Vegas - render to a 'Progressive' Windows .AVI using Vegas and Vegas will still insist that the file is 'Upper Field First' when attempting to detect the file properties in your Project Settings. Is there a problem with the render or the detection?

As a matter of fact I have never had any reasonable explanation from anyone over the years as to why Vegas does not correctly detect the field order of a file or is it really Vegas that is wrong?

I have had this issue creating files with Boris RED 3GL, MainConcept's MainVision 1.1, Combustion 4, etc. etc. and the problem is that you never know which application is at fault i.e. is Boris RED 3GL (for example) REALLY creating a file which is 'Lower Field First' (as you specified) or is Vegas detecting the field order (and other information) incorrectly?

On numerous occasions I have had to use something like TMPGenc to view the file frame by frame (or field by field) to try and detect the correct field order and even that is not foolproof.

Any comments?

Regards,

Dale.

Dionyssios Chalkias · March 2nd, 2006, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale Paterson

I have always had the same issue with Vegas - render to a 'Progressive' Windows .AVI using Vegas and Vegas will still insist that the file is 'Upper Field First' when attempting to detect the file properties in your Project Settings. Is there a problem with the render or the detection?

I've just tried it out and I don't have this issue in Vegas 6.0d with PAL DV. When I match my project settings to my deintrlaced AVI file, I get Field order: None (progressive scan).

What version are you using?

Dale Paterson · March 2nd, 2006, 09:42 AM

Hello,

Using 6.0d.

Dale.

Dale Paterson · March 2nd, 2006, 09:50 AM

Just did some further testing for interest sake:

It does not matter what field order you specify in your render template - if you output to Video For Windows / Uncompressed .AVI Vegas ALWAYS detects the Field Order as 'Upper Field First' regardless of what field order you used in your render template.

Regards,

Dale.

Quito Washington · March 2nd, 2006, 12:00 PM

1. how come sometimes I can't ripple delete? its not lit up, rather, its greyed out...nothing seems to be in the way, but it won't let me, i have select the tracks and then I can move them around...
2. is there anyway to do picture in picture...imagine a TV show...in the bottom right corner the person doing sight language....possible in Vegas? sure..but how?
3. I have a music track on the timeline, i want to fade about 10 seconds of it for dialogue and then bring it back up, how do i add keyframes to do so? I don't want to split the track, just can't see any other option than lower the whole volume...
thanks for any help
cheers
Q

John Rofrano · March 2nd, 2006, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred Foronda

All it is is just swaping or replacing the m2t files right?

No. It is physically rendering the intermediary to an M2T file which you print to tape. Do not get this confused with swapping the media in the media pool to M2T. It is not the same thing. Either way, the trip back to tape requires you to render all of your edits to the format of the camera which, in this case, is M2T.

~jr

Seth Bloombaum · March 2nd, 2006, 12:45 PM

1. Don't know why you sometimes can't ripple after delete. Sometimes Vegas doesn't do what you'd expect because the focus isn't in the correct area - try Alt-0 to bring focus to the tracks. Do click on the little triangle next to the ripple button and check out the various ripple options. There are also keyboard shortcuts that many Vegas editors prefer to the ripple button. Check the keyboard shortcuts section in the help file for "F" key combinations for "post edit ripple".

2. PIP is easy with Vegas. Put the "insert" in a top video track and your "background" video in a track below. Click the track motion button (two squares with an arrow) in the header of the "insert" video track and drag the size and position of the wireframe there, while watching your video preview. Some juggling of window sizes and positions may be neccessary to see both. Two displays is really nice. You'll need to learn about "sync cursor" and keyframes to make most effective use of this control, check out the help file.

3. Music fade - also easy. Insert a volume envelope by highlighting the music track, right click the track header, pull down to insert volume envelope. Now there's a blue line through the middle of your music track. Double click on the line to create ummm... anchors? What does Vegas call them? Points? You'll need four of them to duck the music under a piece of dialog, two to define each volume change. Make them, drag them around, they are easy and versatile.

Edward Troxel · March 2nd, 2006, 12:55 PM

For more information on creating a PIP, you might take a look at the first few issues of my newsletters.

For deleting with ripple, make sure you have the proper ripple mode set or use the appropriate Post Ripple Edit mode. Just do a search for "ripple" in the help file.

Volume envelopes are definitely very flexible. You can quickly add one to any selected audio tracks by pressing "V" and then add points as needed to adjust the volume levels.

March 1st, 2006, 02:33 PM	#616
Heath Vinyard Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Orange County Posts: 296	If going to DVD, what would be the best form to render in? __________________ Heath Vinyard www.ghostlandmedia.com

March 1st, 2006, 06:54 PM	#619
Graham Jones Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 489	Handles it very well, I discovered this evening. __________________ www.irishfilmmaker.com

March 1st, 2006, 10:41 PM	#620
Andy Gordon Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Perth WA Posts: 103	Vegas Fails to Recognise field Order? When I render out an uncompressed avi as progressive 16:9 and bring the clip back into Vegas, it defaults to upper field first with aspect ratio 1. It's really annoying to have to right click and change the field order and aspect ratio every time, is there a reason it isn't recognising the field order and aspect ratio?

March 2nd, 2006, 12:00 PM	#627
Quito Washington Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Darwin, Australia Posts: 34	three questions that are plagueing me 1. how come sometimes I can't ripple delete? its not lit up, rather, its greyed out...nothing seems to be in the way, but it won't let me, i have select the tracks and then I can move them around... 2. is there anyway to do picture in picture...imagine a TV show...in the bottom right corner the person doing sight language....possible in Vegas? sure..but how? 3. I have a music track on the timeline, i want to fade about 10 seconds of it for dialogue and then bring it back up, how do i add keyframes to do so? I don't want to split the track, just can't see any other option than lower the whole volume... thanks for any help cheers Q __________________ http://www.quitofilms.com brash raw and fully independent

March 2nd, 2006, 12:55 PM	#630
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	For more information on creating a PIP, you might take a look at the first few issues of my newsletters. For deleting with ripple, make sure you have the proper ripple mode set or use the appropriate Post Ripple Edit mode. Just do a search for "ripple" in the help file. Volume envelopes are definitely very flexible. You can quickly add one to any selected audio tracks by pressing "V" and then add points as needed to adjust the volume levels. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

March 2nd, 2006, 04:30 AM	#621
Dionyssios Chalkias Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 64	You mean bring it back to the same project or a new project. What are your default project properties? In the project properties dialog box there's a button (folder symbol) for matching media settings. Click on it and then point to your rendered progressive file and the project properties will match those of the file.

March 2nd, 2006, 07:55 AM	#622
Jon Omiatek Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 755	You could always burn to blue-ray, release of Samsungs drive is due in April. My fingers are crossed, LOL http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news...+Nikko%29.html

March 2nd, 2006, 08:25 AM	#623
Dale Paterson Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Johannesburg, South Africa Posts: 200	Hi, I have always had the same issue with Vegas - render to a 'Progressive' Windows .AVI using Vegas and Vegas will still insist that the file is 'Upper Field First' when attempting to detect the file properties in your Project Settings. Is there a problem with the render or the detection? As a matter of fact I have never had any reasonable explanation from anyone over the years as to why Vegas does not correctly detect the field order of a file or is it really Vegas that is wrong? I have had this issue creating files with Boris RED 3GL, MainConcept's MainVision 1.1, Combustion 4, etc. etc. and the problem is that you never know which application is at fault i.e. is Boris RED 3GL (for example) REALLY creating a file which is 'Lower Field First' (as you specified) or is Vegas detecting the field order (and other information) incorrectly? On numerous occasions I have had to use something like TMPGenc to view the file frame by frame (or field by field) to try and detect the correct field order and even that is not foolproof. Any comments? Regards, Dale.

March 2nd, 2006, 09:42 AM	#625
Dale Paterson Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Johannesburg, South Africa Posts: 200	Hello, Using 6.0d. Dale.

March 2nd, 2006, 09:50 AM	#626
Dale Paterson Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Johannesburg, South Africa Posts: 200	Just did some further testing for interest sake: It does not matter what field order you specify in your render template - if you output to Video For Windows / Uncompressed .AVI Vegas ALWAYS detects the Field Order as 'Upper Field First' regardless of what field order you used in your render template. Regards, Dale.

March 2nd, 2006, 12:45 PM	#629
Seth Bloombaum Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,420	1. Don't know why you sometimes can't ripple after delete. Sometimes Vegas doesn't do what you'd expect because the focus isn't in the correct area - try Alt-0 to bring focus to the tracks. Do click on the little triangle next to the ripple button and check out the various ripple options. There are also keyboard shortcuts that many Vegas editors prefer to the ripple button. Check the keyboard shortcuts section in the help file for "F" key combinations for "post edit ripple". 2. PIP is easy with Vegas. Put the "insert" in a top video track and your "background" video in a track below. Click the track motion button (two squares with an arrow) in the header of the "insert" video track and drag the size and position of the wireframe there, while watching your video preview. Some juggling of window sizes and positions may be neccessary to see both. Two displays is really nice. You'll need to learn about "sync cursor" and keyframes to make most effective use of this control, check out the help file. 3. Music fade - also easy. Insert a volume envelope by highlighting the music track, right click the track header, pull down to insert volume envelope. Now there's a blue line through the middle of your music track. Double click on the line to create ummm... anchors? What does Vegas call them? Points? You'll need four of them to duck the music under a piece of dialog, two to define each volume change. Make them, drag them around, they are easy and versatile.