Bug in Architect??? at DVinfo.net

Marius Boruch · January 11th, 2010, 12:13 PM

There is something wrong with chapter markers and Architect; when I render in Vegas to avc and then import it in Architect the chapter markers disappear (it works OK with MPEG2 rendering).

Jeff Harper · January 11th, 2010, 01:14 PM

Please forgive me for stating the obvious, but you did hit the "load markers" after importing, right, just to be sure they are not there?

Edward Troxel · January 11th, 2010, 02:22 PM

Remember that the markers are stored in a separate file. If you move or rename the rendered file(s), the markers would no longer be picked up.

Marius Boruch · January 11th, 2010, 02:58 PM

nothing happens when I click that "load markers" icon in Architect timeline (it was rendered in Vegas to Sony avc template with "save projects markers in media file" option enabled. It works well when it is rendered to MPEG2 (there is no need to force progran to load markers - it happenes automatically with MPEG2, but never with avc). I looked in the folder and Vegas didn't produce any additional files except avc and ac3. What is going on.

Edward Troxel · January 11th, 2010, 03:19 PM

For some formats, it embeds in the actual output file. For others, it creates a separate SFL file.

Marius Boruch · January 11th, 2010, 04:33 PM

hm...in case of avc/mp4 files it didn't create such file at all...

Randall Leong · January 15th, 2010, 08:18 PM

In the case of the Blu-Ray AVC template (or any other AVC template) in the Sony AVC encoder, the embedded chapter markers are not compatible with DVD Architect. This causes DVDA to error out at "Rendering 00001.m2ts" when trying to author the disc without forcing recompression of the entire footage. (All of the Sony AVC templates embed the chapter markers in the video files themselves.) And in the case of the Blu-Ray AVC template, the embedded chapter markers are of a format that DVDA cannot read - it is actually intended for use in a different Sony authoring software, the enterprise-level Blu-Print (which generally requires a certain minimum number of discs to be mastered and will cost you an astronomical amount of money, depending on the number of discs authored).

On the other hand, rendering in MPEG-2 in Vegas with chapter markers actually creates a separate DVDA-compatible file for the chapter markers themselves.

Marius Boruch · January 15th, 2010, 08:26 PM

???
so why they offer 16 different AVC templates in DVDA if they are not functional and cuse error by default???

Randall Leong · January 15th, 2010, 09:01 PM

Actually, those AVC templates are in the main Vegas program, not in DVDA.

And I do agree that the Vegas suite, as currently packaged, seems a bit slapped together rather than integrated. Nonetheless, it is better than some suites which integrate the different components of the suite which have one or more significant weak components.

Marius Boruch · January 15th, 2010, 10:55 PM

yes, but when I open DVDA and start new project it gives me choice of 24 different templates to create BD - 12 of them are variations of AVC. In Vegas, I use template to create BD with markers option so there is some incosistency here since its twin software will not allow me to use that template. These two are sold together in twin bundle so one would assume that they supposed to be 100% compatible...well they are not...but thanks for your input.

January 11th, 2010, 12:13 PM	#1
Marius Boruch Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 421	Bug in Architect??? There is something wrong with chapter markers and Architect; when I render in Vegas to avc and then import it in Architect the chapter markers disappear (it works OK with MPEG2 rendering).

January 11th, 2010, 02:22 PM	#3
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Remember that the markers are stored in a separate file. If you move or rename the rendered file(s), the markers would no longer be picked up. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

January 11th, 2010, 03:19 PM	#5
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	For some formats, it embeds in the actual output file. For others, it creates a separate SFL file. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

January 11th, 2010, 01:14 PM	#2
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Please forgive me for stating the obvious, but you did hit the "load markers" after importing, right, just to be sure they are not there?

January 11th, 2010, 02:58 PM	#4
Marius Boruch Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 421	nothing happens when I click that "load markers" icon in Architect timeline (it was rendered in Vegas to Sony avc template with "save projects markers in media file" option enabled. It works well when it is rendered to MPEG2 (there is no need to force progran to load markers - it happenes automatically with MPEG2, but never with avc). I looked in the folder and Vegas didn't produce any additional files except avc and ac3. What is going on.

January 11th, 2010, 04:33 PM	#6
Marius Boruch Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 421	hm...in case of avc/mp4 files it didn't create such file at all...

January 15th, 2010, 08:18 PM	#7
Randall Leong Major Player Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Melrose Park, Illinois, USA Posts: 936	In the case of the Blu-Ray AVC template (or any other AVC template) in the Sony AVC encoder, the embedded chapter markers are not compatible with DVD Architect. This causes DVDA to error out at "Rendering 00001.m2ts" when trying to author the disc without forcing recompression of the entire footage. (All of the Sony AVC templates embed the chapter markers in the video files themselves.) And in the case of the Blu-Ray AVC template, the embedded chapter markers are of a format that DVDA cannot read - it is actually intended for use in a different Sony authoring software, the enterprise-level Blu-Print (which generally requires a certain minimum number of discs to be mastered and will cost you an astronomical amount of money, depending on the number of discs authored). On the other hand, rendering in MPEG-2 in Vegas with chapter markers actually creates a separate DVDA-compatible file for the chapter markers themselves.

January 15th, 2010, 08:26 PM	#8
Marius Boruch Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 421	??? so why they offer 16 different AVC templates in DVDA if they are not functional and cuse error by default???

January 15th, 2010, 09:01 PM	#9
Randall Leong Major Player Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Melrose Park, Illinois, USA Posts: 936	Actually, those AVC templates are in the main Vegas program, not in DVDA. And I do agree that the Vegas suite, as currently packaged, seems a bit slapped together rather than integrated. Nonetheless, it is better than some suites which integrate the different components of the suite which have one or more significant weak components.

January 15th, 2010, 10:55 PM	#10
Marius Boruch Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 421	yes, but when I open DVDA and start new project it gives me choice of 24 different templates to create BD - 12 of them are variations of AVC. In Vegas, I use template to create BD with markers option so there is some incosistency here since its twin software will not allow me to use that template. These two are sold together in twin bundle so one would assume that they supposed to be 100% compatible...well they are not...but thanks for your input.