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Andy Tejral · January 2nd, 2010, 09:04 PM

Well, I RTFM'ed and found my answer but I don't like it and am looking for a work around.

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Audio/video events are saved in a new AVI file. You can trim DV AVI, uncompressed AVI, Sony YUV AVI, and CineForm AVI files. Because of the lossy nature of other video formats, those video files will not be trimmed, but will simply be copied to the project folder.

Is there any way to get trimmed clips from a 'non-approved' codec while save as/copy media with project? I'm using Canopus HQ which is reasonably loss-'less' but I guess Vegas doesn't know that...

Edward Troxel · January 3rd, 2010, 07:23 AM

New formats have been added to the "can trim" list over the years. You'll just have to try whatever formats you're wanting to use and see if they do.

Andy Tejral · January 3rd, 2010, 09:41 AM

Hmmph!

So, it is highly unlikely I'll be able to use this function with the HOURS of CanHQ footage I have?

Bummer. Oh, well...

Ian Stark · January 4th, 2010, 10:40 AM

Can anyone point me to the 'can trim' list please? More specifically, would I be right in guessing that footage created using Camtasia's TechSmith Screen Capture Codec is NOT on that list?

(Edward, if you see this, you might guess why I am asking!).

Seth Bloombaum · January 4th, 2010, 10:52 AM

Pure speculation here, as I've not seen the "can trim" list, but, I wonder if this is related to long-GOP codecs. If the existing "trim and copy media with veg" save function doesn't do long-GOP, and, you could see why that might be so...

Well, then, you might be fine with TSCC, as it is an, um, intraframe codec, and not "lossy" at all - each frame is encoded individually, without reference to its neighbors.

Ian Stark · January 4th, 2010, 11:04 AM

Seems to make sense, thanks Seth.

The reason I asked is that I have been creating tutorials using Camtasia footage. I recently did a 'save with trimmed copies of media' and uploaded the files to an FTP site without checking them first. The five or six minutes I excised from around 20 minutes of Camtasia-produced footage ended up being the whole shebang (at several hundred mb), and because I had taken the best extracts from two Camtasia files, BOTH were uploaded.

Now, I'm unsure if I actually did the 'save as' or whether just the Camtasia footage wasn't trimmed. I've archived all the material off now so I don't have ready access to it but it would be useful to know for the next time.

Andy Tejral · January 4th, 2010, 12:43 PM

AFAIK, the 'can trim' list is in my first post. Canopus HQ is not a long-GOP codec--vaguely similar to Cineform. And it will not trim clips.

I wonder if there is a registry key or something to edit...

Marc Salvatore · January 4th, 2010, 03:15 PM

Since Vegas 9 you can no longer trim to Cineform. It works perfectly in Vegas 8 but not in Vegas 9. I sent a ticket to Sony but they acted like it was a not a problem so I've had to move back to Vegas 8 for all of my Cineform projects.

January 3rd, 2010, 07:23 AM	#2
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	New formats have been added to the "can trim" list over the years. You'll just have to try whatever formats you're wanting to use and see if they do. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

January 3rd, 2010, 09:41 AM	#3
Andy Tejral Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New York City Posts: 523	Hmmph! So, it is highly unlikely I'll be able to use this function with the HOURS of CanHQ footage I have? Bummer. Oh, well... __________________ Andy Tejral Railroad Videographer

January 4th, 2010, 10:40 AM	#4
Ian Stark Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,237	Can anyone point me to the 'can trim' list please? More specifically, would I be right in guessing that footage created using Camtasia's TechSmith Screen Capture Codec is NOT on that list? (Edward, if you see this, you might guess why I am asking!). __________________ www.vit-media.com www.classicmachinefilms.co.uk

January 4th, 2010, 10:52 AM	#5
Seth Bloombaum Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,420	Pure speculation here, as I've not seen the "can trim" list, but, I wonder if this is related to long-GOP codecs. If the existing "trim and copy media with veg" save function doesn't do long-GOP, and, you could see why that might be so... Well, then, you might be fine with TSCC, as it is an, um, intraframe codec, and not "lossy" at all - each frame is encoded individually, without reference to its neighbors. __________________ 30 years of pro media production. Vegas user since 1.0. Webcaster since 1997. Freelancer since 2000. College instructor since 2001.

January 4th, 2010, 11:04 AM	#6
Ian Stark Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,237	Seems to make sense, thanks Seth. The reason I asked is that I have been creating tutorials using Camtasia footage. I recently did a 'save with trimmed copies of media' and uploaded the files to an FTP site without checking them first. The five or six minutes I excised from around 20 minutes of Camtasia-produced footage ended up being the whole shebang (at several hundred mb), and because I had taken the best extracts from two Camtasia files, BOTH were uploaded. Now, I'm unsure if I actually did the 'save as' or whether just the Camtasia footage wasn't trimmed. I've archived all the material off now so I don't have ready access to it but it would be useful to know for the next time. __________________ www.vit-media.com www.classicmachinefilms.co.uk

January 4th, 2010, 12:43 PM	#7
Andy Tejral Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New York City Posts: 523	AFAIK, the 'can trim' list is in my first post. Canopus HQ is not a long-GOP codec--vaguely similar to Cineform. And it will not trim clips. I wonder if there is a registry key or something to edit... __________________ Andy Tejral Railroad Videographer

January 4th, 2010, 03:15 PM	#8
Marc Salvatore Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Medford, OR Posts: 351	Since Vegas 9 you can no longer trim to Cineform. It works perfectly in Vegas 8 but not in Vegas 9. I sent a ticket to Sony but they acted like it was a not a problem so I've had to move back to Vegas 8 for all of my Cineform projects.