Mixing frame rates (whoops) at DVinfo.net

Oliver Darden · December 28th, 2009, 05:35 AM

I shot a scene for a short documentary a few years ago with an XL1S and had to put the project on hold. I recently went back to finish the project (had to used an XH A1 cause I no longer has the XL1S) and had to take some more footage. In an attempt to keep the footage looking the same I put the XH A1 in 4:3 SD mode and shot the footage. I then captured the footage with Vegas like normal and began editing.

Here is the problem:
I am having bad interlacing problems / and and overall poor image quality with the XH A1 footage despite trying to use different methods of fixing it including upper, progressive and the lower field options (right clicking the clip/ properties/ media / field order) but nothing works. The footage looks great in the preview window (no interlacing) but looks terrible when rendered to an NTSC DV AVI. The XL1S footage looks fine.

Here are links to each of the clips properties:
XL1S - http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/s...pillow/SS2.jpg
XH A1 - http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/s...ypillow/SS.jpg

As you can see the XH A1 footage says "(removing 2-3 pulldown)" AND (while posting this) I JUST noticed that the FRAME rates are totally different...one is 29.9 and the other is 23.9....

How do I fix this without recapturing the footage?

Oliver Darden · December 28th, 2009, 02:43 PM

this doesn't look good...

No ideas?

Jeff Harper · December 28th, 2009, 03:04 PM

have you tried rendering the new footage alone to see what happens and/or have you tried rendering to mpeg 2 to see what happens? Those are the first two things I would try.

I wouldn't think it is a capture issue, but who knows.

Rainer Listing · December 28th, 2009, 03:22 PM

Please forgive me if I'm suggesting the obvious, but have you turned off frame blending - disable resampling?

Oliver Darden · December 28th, 2009, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Harper

have you tried rendering the new footage alone to see what happens and/or have you tried rendering to mpeg 2 to see what happens? Those are the first two things I would try.

Ya I have, nothing I can do gets rid of the interlacing so far. The interlacing is in the actually raw footage. I need to somehow deinterlace it.

Ya, Rainer, I've tried that as well.

Duane Adam · December 29th, 2009, 01:57 PM

Did you try interpolating? (File/properties/deinterlace method).

Gerald Webb · December 30th, 2009, 03:40 AM

sorry if this sounds like a newb answer, but this always works.
I have occasionally had files that no matter what I did in Vegas, and I tried everything, could not get rid of the "jaggies", in desperation,
I opened the file in After Effects and it just knows how to fix it, dont know how or why, so now whenever I have a problem file it goes straight into AFX, render it to Lagorith or PhotoJpeg, then back to Vegas.
Please enlighten me if anyone knows why this works.

December 28th, 2009, 05:35 AM	#1
Oliver Darden Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: USA Posts: 522	Mixing frame rates (whoops) I shot a scene for a short documentary a few years ago with an XL1S and had to put the project on hold. I recently went back to finish the project (had to used an XH A1 cause I no longer has the XL1S) and had to take some more footage. In an attempt to keep the footage looking the same I put the XH A1 in 4:3 SD mode and shot the footage. I then captured the footage with Vegas like normal and began editing. Here is the problem: I am having bad interlacing problems / and and overall poor image quality with the XH A1 footage despite trying to use different methods of fixing it including upper, progressive and the lower field options (right clicking the clip/ properties/ media / field order) but nothing works. The footage looks great in the preview window (no interlacing) but looks terrible when rendered to an NTSC DV AVI. The XL1S footage looks fine. Here are links to each of the clips properties: XL1S - http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/s...pillow/SS2.jpg XH A1 - http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/s...ypillow/SS.jpg As you can see the XH A1 footage says "(removing 2-3 pulldown)" AND (while posting this) I JUST noticed that the FRAME rates are totally different...one is 29.9 and the other is 23.9.... How do I fix this without recapturing the footage?

December 28th, 2009, 02:43 PM	#2
Oliver Darden Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: USA Posts: 522	this doesn't look good... No ideas?

December 28th, 2009, 03:04 PM	#3
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	have you tried rendering the new footage alone to see what happens and/or have you tried rendering to mpeg 2 to see what happens? Those are the first two things I would try. I wouldn't think it is a capture issue, but who knows.

December 28th, 2009, 03:22 PM	#4
Rainer Listing Major Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Nowra, Australia Posts: 440	Please forgive me if I'm suggesting the obvious, but have you turned off frame blending - disable resampling?

December 29th, 2009, 01:57 PM	#6
Duane Adam Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Gilroy, CA Posts: 398	Did you try interpolating? (File/properties/deinterlace method).

December 30th, 2009, 03:40 AM	#7
Gerald Webb Trustee Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Coast Australia Posts: 1,046	sorry if this sounds like a newb answer, but this always works. I have occasionally had files that no matter what I did in Vegas, and I tried everything, could not get rid of the "jaggies", in desperation, I opened the file in After Effects and it just knows how to fix it, dont know how or why, so now whenever I have a problem file it goes straight into AFX, render it to Lagorith or PhotoJpeg, then back to Vegas. Please enlighten me if anyone knows why this works.