Back up a VEG File- losing 16x9?? at DVinfo.net

Thomas Roberts · November 25th, 2009, 11:45 AM

Hi guys,

I typically back up a VEG File with a 2 second lead and tail and backup a completed project to a couple hard drives on the completion of client edits. Recently I've noticed that my 16x9 projects are NOT being backed up as 16x9... They end up as 4x3...Did something change in my software?

Thanks,

Thomas

Graham Bernard · November 26th, 2009, 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas Roberts

"They end up as 4x3..."

What are the project settings, Pre- and Post-backup?

Grazie

Edward Troxel · November 26th, 2009, 07:55 AM

HOW are you backing up? From your description, it sounds like you're doing a file - save as - and choosing the option to copy and trim media?

Thomas Roberts · December 6th, 2009, 12:22 AM

Hi guys,

Sorry for the delay on getting back to you both.

1. Project settings 16x9 SD on PRE
2. Save AS - as you mentioned Edward...

T

Thomas Roberts · December 8th, 2009, 12:59 AM

See photo for an example of what is happening when I save/backup Veg files

1. Both Before and After settings are NTSC DV 24p Widescreen (720x480, 23.976 fps)
2. All footage is shot at 16x9

Thanks,

T

Joe Parker · December 8th, 2009, 10:34 PM

You're probably just previewing the footage incorrectly. But anyway to test it you need to simplify. Drop a media event like a checkerboard on the timeline, set the project and preview settings the way you like, then save a .veg file. Now reopen the .veg file. The project settings should not have jumped from the way you set them to something else.

Thomas Roberts · December 10th, 2009, 10:32 PM

Nope,

This is a bug! I can do the following:

1. Copy and Trim Media with Project
2. When I select COPY SOURCE MEDIA- The 16x9 is OK
3. If I select CREATE TRIMMED COPIES OF SOURCE MEDIA- I get the squeezed media

I would like to be able to select option 3 and backup a smaller project with 2 seconds Heads, and Tails.

4. Preview is set correct!!

T

Joe Parker · December 11th, 2009, 08:52 AM

I just tried it as per your outline and it works for me, so you're doing something wrong. Maybe you just have your default project settings still set to 4:3?

But really, this is a cumbersome way to do it anyway. I trimmed a test clip down to 5 seconds but it copied the entire clip to my backup folder! A tremendous waste of space, meaning I would then have to go and delete the original files to get that space back. What's the point?

Just put all your clips in the project folder, edit away saving your .veg and .dar in that same project folder. Then when you're ready to archive the project, just move the whole folder.

Actually, because the raw files are so big, we'll often delete those after rendering to save space. A bit more difficult if we have to go back in the future and get missing footage since we would have to recapture, but that's not usually the types of things we need to change later.

November 25th, 2009, 11:45 AM	#1
Thomas Roberts Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: OC and LA Posts: 56	Back up a VEG File- losing 16x9?? Hi guys, I typically back up a VEG File with a 2 second lead and tail and backup a completed project to a couple hard drives on the completion of client edits. Recently I've noticed that my 16x9 projects are NOT being backed up as 16x9... They end up as 4x3...Did something change in my software? Thanks, Thomas __________________ Canon DSLR's, C100, C300. FCPX, Sony Vegas Pro. Assorted Nikon, Canon, Zeiss lens.

November 26th, 2009, 07:55 AM	#3
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	HOW are you backing up? From your description, it sounds like you're doing a file - save as - and choosing the option to copy and trim media? __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

December 6th, 2009, 12:22 AM	#4
Thomas Roberts Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: OC and LA Posts: 56	Hi guys, Sorry for the delay on getting back to you both. 1. Project settings 16x9 SD on PRE 2. Save AS - as you mentioned Edward... T __________________ Canon DSLR's, C100, C300. FCPX, Sony Vegas Pro. Assorted Nikon, Canon, Zeiss lens.

December 8th, 2009, 12:59 AM	#5
Thomas Roberts Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: OC and LA Posts: 56	See photo for an example of what is happening when I save/backup Veg files 1. Both Before and After settings are NTSC DV 24p Widescreen (720x480, 23.976 fps) 2. All footage is shot at 16x9 Thanks, T Attached Thumbnails __________________ Canon DSLR's, C100, C300. FCPX, Sony Vegas Pro. Assorted Nikon, Canon, Zeiss lens.

December 10th, 2009, 10:32 PM	#7
Thomas Roberts Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: OC and LA Posts: 56	Follow up Nope, This is a bug! I can do the following: 1. Copy and Trim Media with Project 2. When I select COPY SOURCE MEDIA- The 16x9 is OK 3. If I select CREATE TRIMMED COPIES OF SOURCE MEDIA- I get the squeezed media I would like to be able to select option 3 and backup a smaller project with 2 seconds Heads, and Tails. 4. Preview is set correct!! T __________________ Canon DSLR's, C100, C300. FCPX, Sony Vegas Pro. Assorted Nikon, Canon, Zeiss lens.

December 8th, 2009, 10:34 PM	#6
Joe Parker Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Shannondale, WV Posts: 50	You're probably just previewing the footage incorrectly. But anyway to test it you need to simplify. Drop a media event like a checkerboard on the timeline, set the project and preview settings the way you like, then save a .veg file. Now reopen the .veg file. The project settings should not have jumped from the way you set them to something else.

December 11th, 2009, 08:52 AM	#8
Joe Parker Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Shannondale, WV Posts: 50	I just tried it as per your outline and it works for me, so you're doing something wrong. Maybe you just have your default project settings still set to 4:3? But really, this is a cumbersome way to do it anyway. I trimmed a test clip down to 5 seconds but it copied the entire clip to my backup folder! A tremendous waste of space, meaning I would then have to go and delete the original files to get that space back. What's the point? Just put all your clips in the project folder, edit away saving your .veg and .dar in that same project folder. Then when you're ready to archive the project, just move the whole folder. Actually, because the raw files are so big, we'll often delete those after rendering to save space. A bit more difficult if we have to go back in the future and get missing footage since we would have to recapture, but that's not usually the types of things we need to change later.