Vegas 9 is low on memory

Tomasz Kalinowski · December 16th, 2009, 10:24 AM

Hi

I got this same error. I use Win7 64bit and Vegas 9c 32bit & 64bit. I had few projects to finish. As usual I use vegas to capture tapes, but one project I use cineform neo hd to see the difference. I did not use any plugins for the projects. When I tried to render project (captured via cineform) in vegas 32bit problems arised. It gave me an error "low mem", but rendering in vegas 64bit went through without any hiccups. My conclusion:

- windows 7 64bit + vegas 32bit + cineform files = memory management problems.
It seems that vegas has problem with mixing different file formats (or containers) other than .m2t under above configuration.

My other projects (not captured via cineform) rendered fine in vegas 32bit.

That's my 2 cents.

Tom

Buba Kastorski · December 17th, 2009, 11:02 PM

Many thanks to everybody for the input,
I did manage to deliver that project, but now have another one, but with the same symptoms,
I have mxf, Neocene converted 5Dmkii and red1 pro res files, before I uninstalled MB Looks, Vegas was just shutting down every time i was trying to open the project, now it shuts down every time I select OK to render;
hey Doug trick with dll editor didn't do the job for me , but thank you anyway,
I even tried to switch to Mac and FCP, men I hate it, will never touch it again :)
I'll try to get new, more powerful with lots more RAM PC and go 64 bit, will let you know if that will help.
cheers:)

Sean Seah · December 28th, 2009, 01:47 AM

Hi Buba, a lot us have the same issues. For me, 64bit Win 7 + mxf + Cineform 7D avi + V8c or V9c 32bit= CRASH. I thought it was Magic bullet but even a non MB looks veg crashes each time i hit render. The strange thing is a slower laptop Macbook Pro running Vista 64bit works pefectly for the same project!!

I am going to try the mem hack which will hopefully do the job for me but Vegas is unusable at the moment. I wonder if there is going to be a 8d/9d to solve this issue..

Sean Seah · December 28th, 2009, 08:41 AM

Folks, the problem has been resolved. I used the NTcore explorer and enabled Vegas8c to handle address above 2G. The system now renders 2x faster than the Q6600. It is about 1:1 for non plugin enabled files.

For MB Looks, the speed is about 1:1.2 .

Buba Kastorski · December 30th, 2009, 12:57 AM

A few weeks and $3K later I can work again, Vegas still crashes from time to time, but only when I have all kind of different formats footage,
I installed Vegas 9 64 bit on 3.06 i7 12 Gb ram with Win 7 64 bit installed,
it works now, twice as fast , but no MB looks on this setup,
as I said NT core explorer trick didn't work for me, but now on 64 bit vegas goes over 4 Gb with no problem;

Roger Shealy · January 8th, 2010, 09:48 PM

*** Good News Alert for Vegas using HD .mov (and other HD/HDV?) *****

I've been struggling with horrible crashes in Vegas 9.0c trying to process footage from my Canon 7D using 1920 x 1080 .mov files. Crashes loading, crashes rendering, crashes just to crash. 3 different computers and 3 different operating systems. I just stumbled on a related string on the Sony forum and also saw a related forum here on DVinfo.net. You can check out the posting #9 by Sean Seah at http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/what-hap...ml#post1469823 or the Sony support forum by "blink3times" at Sony Creative Software - Forums - Vegas Pro - Video Messages to see the strings or give this a try

(Below is a summary of solution and a download site for CFF Explorer program):

http://download.cnet.com/CFF-Explore...html?tag=mncol

****************************************************************

Most 32 bit exe and dll files have a 2 gig maximum memory cap. I've been playing around with CFF EXPLORER (free download) which is a program that allows you to easily open the exe or dll and click the 2 gig memory switch that allows it to use more than 2 gig.

Reset the memory flags in
vegas80.exe (or vegas90.exe.....)
m2tsplug.dll
mcstdh264dec.dll
sonymvd2pro_xp.dll
to "greater than 2gig" and did a render of which I almost always crash on (avchd at 1920 render to m2ts 1920@16Mb/s with AC3 audio)

open the CFF Explorer program
goto file\open
then find the file... in this case it would be Vegas.exe
On the left side you'll see "NT HEADER".... "DOS HEADER"... etc
Highlight "FILE HEADER" under "NT HEADER"
On the right side you'll see a chart and in the bottom right corner you will see "CLICK HERE"
Click on that and a check box menu system will open.
Scroll down the menu list until you see "app can handle > than 2gig address space" and check that.
Save the file and close.

Open the others and do the same.

MAKE SURE YOU DO A BACKUP COPY OF THE FILE BEFORE CHANGING IT JUST IN CASE YOU GET INTO TROUBLE!!!

On another note.... rendering stability has CLEARLY and MOST DEFINITELY improved DRASTICALLY
I did lock up once so far (with the plugin pack 3d adaptor) but it was a different lock up/crash that I had ever seen before. The rendering just plain stopped but the program didn't disappear. In fact instead of disappearing, it allowed me to save and close.

This btw SHOULD work with HDV for those that are having issues there too.

Thomas Moore · January 9th, 2010, 09:13 AM

Did you get this to work in 9c? I tried to do the same thing but couldn't find these files in my 9c directories

m2tsplug.dll
mcstdh264dec.dll
sonymvd2pro_xp.dll

found them in the 8 directories though...

Sean Seah · January 9th, 2010, 10:34 AM

the m2ts is for AVCHD files handling and 264 for H264 I believe. I started out with the Vegas8.exe file and the improvement was alr obvious. Then I got a hang for aac/avc mp4 rendering and i did the same thing for the mcstdh264dec.dll and mp4 rendering worked. I have not done the rest.

Jim Snow · January 9th, 2010, 10:38 AM

I don't know why Red Giant software doesn't get with the program on 64-bit support. It doesn't seem to be a problem with NewBlue FX. 64-bit is quickly becoming defacto even on entry level systems.

Thomas Moore · January 9th, 2010, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean Seah

the m2ts is for AVCHD files handling and 264 for H264 I believe. I started out with the Vegas8.exe file and the improvement was alr obvious. Then I got a hang for aac/avc mp4 rendering and i did the same thing for the mcstdh264dec.dll and mp4 rendering worked. I have not done the rest.

Right but my problem is I can't find any of these files in my 9c 32bit directories only in the 8 directories.

I can however edit AVCHD files in 9c so I'm really confused :(

Roger Shealy · January 9th, 2010, 11:59 AM

Thomas,

I only use 9.0c 64bit now, but I found them in an older copy of Ver 8-32 bit also. Haven't downloaded Ver 9 in 32 bit on my home machine, but I'll try to check on my office machine.

Kajito Nagib · February 5th, 2010, 01:08 PM

I had the same problem with low mem messages it took me days to figure out what was wrong in my situation it was the video card driver. I had installed the latest video driver and started to get low mem problems while rendering with MBL. I then installed an older video card driver and the problem with away.

Brian Luce · March 10th, 2010, 06:56 PM

I'm having the exact issue. Crash club for Vegas.

Has anyone tried converting the AVCHD files to Avid DnX?
Thought I'd give it a shot, right now I'm using native AVCHD in the timeline.

Perrone Ford · March 10th, 2010, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Luce

...right now I'm using native AVCHD in the timeline.

Really? :(

Brian Luce · March 10th, 2010, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perrone Ford

Really? :(

Yeah, but just 3 second cutaways, thought I could get away with it. Guess not.

December 16th, 2009, 10:24 AM	#16
Tomasz Kalinowski New Boot Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bay Shore NY Posts: 18	Re: Low mem error. Hi I got this same error. I use Win7 64bit and Vegas 9c 32bit & 64bit. I had few projects to finish. As usual I use vegas to capture tapes, but one project I use cineform neo hd to see the difference. I did not use any plugins for the projects. When I tried to render project (captured via cineform) in vegas 32bit problems arised. It gave me an error "low mem", but rendering in vegas 64bit went through without any hiccups. My conclusion: - windows 7 64bit + vegas 32bit + cineform files = memory management problems. It seems that vegas has problem with mixing different file formats (or containers) other than .m2t under above configuration. My other projects (not captured via cineform) rendered fine in vegas 32bit. That's my 2 cents. Tom

December 17th, 2009, 11:02 PM	#17
Buba Kastorski Trustee Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,414	Many thanks to everybody for the input, I did manage to deliver that project, but now have another one, but with the same symptoms, I have mxf, Neocene converted 5Dmkii and red1 pro res files, before I uninstalled MB Looks, Vegas was just shutting down every time i was trying to open the project, now it shuts down every time I select OK to render; hey Doug trick with dll editor didn't do the job for me , but thank you anyway, I even tried to switch to Mac and FCP, men I hate it, will never touch it again :) I'll try to get new, more powerful with lots more RAM PC and go 64 bit, will let you know if that will help. cheers:) __________________ I love this place!

December 30th, 2009, 12:57 AM	#20
Buba Kastorski Trustee Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,414	A few weeks and $3K later I can work again, Vegas still crashes from time to time, but only when I have all kind of different formats footage, I installed Vegas 9 64 bit on 3.06 i7 12 Gb ram with Win 7 64 bit installed, it works now, twice as fast , but no MB looks on this setup, as I said NT core explorer trick didn't work for me, but now on 64 bit vegas goes over 4 Gb with no problem; __________________ I love this place!

January 8th, 2010, 09:48 PM	#21
Roger Shealy Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Fayetteville, GA Posts: 772	* Good News Alert for Vegas using HD .mov (and other HD/HDV?) * I've been struggling with horrible crashes in Vegas 9.0c trying to process footage from my Canon 7D using 1920 x 1080 .mov files. Crashes loading, crashes rendering, crashes just to crash. 3 different computers and 3 different operating systems. I just stumbled on a related string on the Sony forum and also saw a related forum here on DVinfo.net. You can check out the posting #9 by Sean Seah at http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/what-hap...ml#post1469823 or the Sony support forum by "blink3times" at Sony Creative Software - Forums - Vegas Pro - Video Messages to see the strings or give this a try (Below is a summary of solution and a download site for CFF Explorer program): http://download.cnet.com/CFF-Explore...html?tag=mncol ************************************************************** Most 32 bit exe and dll files have a 2 gig maximum memory cap. I've been playing around with CFF EXPLORER (free download) which is a program that allows you to easily open the exe or dll and click the 2 gig memory switch that allows it to use more than 2 gig. Reset the memory flags in vegas80.exe (or vegas90.exe.....) m2tsplug.dll mcstdh264dec.dll sonymvd2pro_xp.dll to "greater than 2gig" and did a render of which I almost always crash on (avchd at 1920 render to m2ts 1920@16Mb/s with AC3 audio) open the CFF Explorer program goto file\open then find the file... in this case it would be Vegas.exe On the left side you'll see "NT HEADER".... "DOS HEADER"... etc Highlight "FILE HEADER" under "NT HEADER" On the right side you'll see a chart and in the bottom right corner you will see "CLICK HERE" Click on that and a check box menu system will open. Scroll down the menu list until you see "app can handle > than 2gig address space" and check that. Save the file and close. Open the others and do the same. MAKE SURE YOU DO A BACKUP COPY OF THE FILE BEFORE CHANGING IT JUST IN CASE YOU GET INTO TROUBLE!!! On another note.... rendering stability has CLEARLY and MOST DEFINITELY improved DRASTICALLY I did lock up once so far (with the plugin pack 3d adaptor) but it was a different lock up/crash that I had ever seen before. The rendering just plain stopped but the program didn't disappear. In fact instead of disappearing, it allowed me to save and close. This btw SHOULD work with HDV for those that are having issues there too. Last edited by Roger Shealy; January 9th, 2010 at 05:48 AM.

February 5th, 2010, 01:08 PM	#27
Kajito Nagib Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 432	low mem problem I had the same problem with low mem messages it took me days to figure out what was wrong in my situation it was the video card driver. I had installed the latest video driver and started to get low mem problems while rendering with MBL. I then installed an older video card driver and the problem with away. __________________ -kAj http://www.sweetproductionmedia.com/

December 28th, 2009, 01:47 AM	#18
Sean Seah Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,498	Hi Buba, a lot us have the same issues. For me, 64bit Win 7 + mxf + Cineform 7D avi + V8c or V9c 32bit= CRASH. I thought it was Magic bullet but even a non MB looks veg crashes each time i hit render. The strange thing is a slower laptop Macbook Pro running Vista 64bit works pefectly for the same project!! I am going to try the mem hack which will hopefully do the job for me but Vegas is unusable at the moment. I wonder if there is going to be a 8d/9d to solve this issue..

December 28th, 2009, 08:41 AM	#19
Sean Seah Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,498	Folks, the problem has been resolved. I used the NTcore explorer and enabled Vegas8c to handle address above 2G. The system now renders 2x faster than the Q6600. It is about 1:1 for non plugin enabled files. For MB Looks, the speed is about 1:1.2 .

January 9th, 2010, 09:13 AM	#22
Thomas Moore Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Ravenna, OH Posts: 198	Did you get this to work in 9c? I tried to do the same thing but couldn't find these files in my 9c directories m2tsplug.dll mcstdh264dec.dll sonymvd2pro_xp.dll found them in the 8 directories though...

January 9th, 2010, 10:34 AM	#23
Sean Seah Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,498	the m2ts is for AVCHD files handling and 264 for H264 I believe. I started out with the Vegas8.exe file and the improvement was alr obvious. Then I got a hang for aac/avc mp4 rendering and i did the same thing for the mcstdh264dec.dll and mp4 rendering worked. I have not done the rest.

January 9th, 2010, 10:38 AM	#24
Jim Snow Trustee Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Santa Clara, CA Posts: 1,104	I don't know why Red Giant software doesn't get with the program on 64-bit support. It doesn't seem to be a problem with NewBlue FX. 64-bit is quickly becoming defacto even on entry level systems.

January 9th, 2010, 11:59 AM	#26
Roger Shealy Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Fayetteville, GA Posts: 772	Thomas, I only use 9.0c 64bit now, but I found them in an older copy of Ver 8-32 bit also. Haven't downloaded Ver 9 in 32 bit on my home machine, but I'll try to check on my office machine.

March 10th, 2010, 06:56 PM	#28
Brian Luce Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,290	I'm having the exact issue. Crash club for Vegas. Has anyone tried converting the AVCHD files to Avid DnX? Thought I'd give it a shot, right now I'm using native AVCHD in the timeline.