Degraded Image When Applying Effects and Titles at DVinfo.net

Hugh DiMauro · April 26th, 2005, 06:01 AM

Whenever I used Vegas 5 and prior versions, I could always view my clips with their applied titles and effects sharp and clear on a 13 inch JVC monitor patched through my small Sony camcorder. Now, all of a sudden, when I apply a simple title or a simple color correction, I have such incredible resolution loss and picture degredation that I cannot help to think I knocked a setting out of whack. I always kept the dynamic ram preview at 16 MB. Then, after reading DSE's Instant Vegas 5, I changed the dynamic ram preview to it's max, 1919 MB. Well, that didn't improve the monitor image on bit.

Did I do something wrong with settings? Why is my monitor picture so degraded when apply titles and effects to clips on my timeline?

Rob Lohman · April 26th, 2005, 06:21 AM

You are talking about Vegas 6? 6.0a?

Edward Troxel · April 26th, 2005, 08:03 AM

Change your preview settings to "Good (Full)" and I'm sure your quality will return.

Hugh DiMauro · April 26th, 2005, 08:43 AM

I am using 6.0a.

Can it possibly be that easy? I am not at my comp right now so I don't know what setting it is at right now. What setting do you think I have it on now? Best or worst? And you are referring to the preview screen icon, right?

Robert Crawford · April 26th, 2005, 09:02 AM

Are you actually rendering to RAM or just playing the timeline?

Keep in mind that Vegas displays things at a lower resolution until you actually render. A preview render is really the only way to know how something will look.

Edward Troxel · April 26th, 2005, 09:37 AM

Default is "Preview (Auto)".

Edward Troxel · April 26th, 2005, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Crawford

Are you actually rendering to RAM or just playing the timeline?

Keep in mind that Vegas displays things at a lower resolution until you actually render. A preview render is really the only way to know how something will look.

Actually Vegas displays at the resolution setting you have set. In "Preview (Auto)", the resolution may be decreased but the framerates can be higher. With "Good (Full)" the resultion will be there but the framerates may be lower. It's all a trade-off as to what's most important to you. For me, I leave it on "Preview (Auto)" unless I specifically need to see a higher quality image (i.e. for color correction) and then I'll bump it up to "Good (Full)" but will always drop it back down when finished.

Hugh DiMauro · April 26th, 2005, 11:05 AM

I changed it to BEST (Full) and now I have a clear picture (but the more effects/titles I use, it "stutters" on the timeline play but I guess that's the tradeoff). Thanks again.

Now you mentioned something that needs explaining: What is the difference between higher and lower *framerates* as it applies to your mention of the tradeoff between that and resolution? Also, how do I use the new full screen preview in Vegas 6.0a?

Edward Troxel · April 26th, 2005, 11:12 AM

You're getting "stutters" because it is lowering the framerate to keep up the real-time preview. That's the reason for using one of the lower preview settings. At a minimum, try dropping back to "Good (Full)" which should still help. You might even try "Preview (Full)". By the way, this will NOT affect the final render and if you prerender you'll also get full framerates.

In Options - Preferences, you can select the external preview device now.

Hugh DiMauro · April 26th, 2005, 11:40 AM

Thank's Ed.

Ray Sigmond · April 26th, 2005, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Troxel

Default is "Preview (Auto)".

Hey Ed:

I have a similar problem. When I set my preview to external monitor and my Preview Device is set to OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394/DV, I get a lot of screen flicker even when set to Preview Auto. If I select the regular monitor in Vegas 6 or the Windows Secondary Display, it works flawlessly.

When I open up the same projects in Vegas 5, they play perfectly on the IEEE Monitor?

Ray Sigmond · April 28th, 2005, 05:54 PM

I am using a Pinnacle Moviebox DV as my device. Is anyone else using one with V6 by any chance and NOT having any problems?

I am also curious what converters others are using? I was looking at the Canopus ADVC-300 and admiring the unit.

Edward Troxel · April 28th, 2005, 10:50 PM

According to things I've seen on the Sony forum, they are looking into this issue.

Ray Sigmond · April 29th, 2005, 06:01 AM

Thanks Ed

:-)

April 26th, 2005, 06:01 AM	#1
Hugh DiMauro Trustee Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,207	Degraded Image When Applying Effects and Titles Whenever I used Vegas 5 and prior versions, I could always view my clips with their applied titles and effects sharp and clear on a 13 inch JVC monitor patched through my small Sony camcorder. Now, all of a sudden, when I apply a simple title or a simple color correction, I have such incredible resolution loss and picture degredation that I cannot help to think I knocked a setting out of whack. I always kept the dynamic ram preview at 16 MB. Then, after reading DSE's Instant Vegas 5, I changed the dynamic ram preview to it's max, 1919 MB. Well, that didn't improve the monitor image on bit. Did I do something wrong with settings? Why is my monitor picture so degraded when apply titles and effects to clips on my timeline? __________________ Interesting, if true. And interesting anyway.

April 26th, 2005, 06:21 AM	#2
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	You are talking about Vegas 6? 6.0a? __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

April 26th, 2005, 08:03 AM	#3
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Change your preview settings to "Good (Full)" and I'm sure your quality will return. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

April 26th, 2005, 08:43 AM	#4
Hugh DiMauro Trustee Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,207	I am using 6.0a. Can it possibly be that easy? I am not at my comp right now so I don't know what setting it is at right now. What setting do you think I have it on now? Best or worst? And you are referring to the preview screen icon, right? __________________ Interesting, if true. And interesting anyway.

April 26th, 2005, 09:37 AM	#6
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Default is "Preview (Auto)". __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

April 26th, 2005, 09:02 AM	#5
Robert Crawford Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 33	Are you actually rendering to RAM or just playing the timeline? Keep in mind that Vegas displays things at a lower resolution until you actually render. A preview render is really the only way to know how something will look.

April 26th, 2005, 11:05 AM	#8
Hugh DiMauro Trustee Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,207	Ed, You Were Right! I changed it to BEST (Full) and now I have a clear picture (but the more effects/titles I use, it "stutters" on the timeline play but I guess that's the tradeoff). Thanks again. Now you mentioned something that needs explaining: What is the difference between higher and lower framerates as it applies to your mention of the tradeoff between that and resolution? Also, how do I use the new full screen preview in Vegas 6.0a? __________________ Interesting, if true. And interesting anyway.

April 26th, 2005, 11:12 AM	#9
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	You're getting "stutters" because it is lowering the framerate to keep up the real-time preview. That's the reason for using one of the lower preview settings. At a minimum, try dropping back to "Good (Full)" which should still help. You might even try "Preview (Full)". By the way, this will NOT affect the final render and if you prerender you'll also get full framerates. In Options - Preferences, you can select the external preview device now. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

April 26th, 2005, 11:40 AM	#10
Hugh DiMauro Trustee Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,207	Once Again You Came To The Rescue Thank's Ed. __________________ Interesting, if true. And interesting anyway.

April 28th, 2005, 05:54 PM	#12
Ray Sigmond Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Edison, NJ Posts: 119	I am using a Pinnacle Moviebox DV as my device. Is anyone else using one with V6 by any chance and NOT having any problems? I am also curious what converters others are using? I was looking at the Canopus ADVC-300 and admiring the unit.

April 28th, 2005, 10:50 PM	#13
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	According to things I've seen on the Sony forum, they are looking into this issue. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

April 29th, 2005, 06:01 AM	#14
Ray Sigmond Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Edison, NJ Posts: 119	Thanks Ed :-)