Help! Why is my Vegas 6 rendering SLOWER than 5?! at DVinfo.net

Glen Elliott · April 18th, 2005, 07:29 PM

Did some MPG2 renders tonight and timed them in both programs. Vegas 6 was slower every single time by several seconds in a minute or less render.

Am I missing something- everyone seems to be seeing INCREASED render performance?! I will note one thing- when I went to render out my first MPG2 from Vegas 6 it never asked me to connect to the net to "register" the MainConcept encoder like it did in Version 4 and 5.

Is it possible it's still using the Vegas 5 encoder?

Peter Jefferson · April 18th, 2005, 09:15 PM

in the preferences tab u can allocate how u manage cpu.

Dejavu man... i swear i just saw a similar post to this on the sony forums??? or am i imagining it ?? god i need sleep...

Robert Crawford · April 18th, 2005, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter Jefferson

in the preferences tab u can allocate how u manage cpu.

Dejavu man... i swear i just saw a similar post to this on the sony forums??? or am i imagining it ?? god i need sleep...

Are you talking about the number of threads to allocate to rendering? Or something else?

Glen Elliott · April 19th, 2005, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter Jefferson

in the preferences tab u can allocate how u manage cpu.

Dejavu man... i swear i just saw a similar post to this on the sony forums??? or am i imagining it ?? god i need sleep...

Nope, I posted this question on 3 different internet forums. I'm a bit irrate. I dumped $200 yesterday- and one of the big new features I was looking forward to was the increased rendering performance. Ironicly I've seen the exact opposite.

I haven't gotten an answer yet from anybody about it and it seems I've found a bunch of people on the Sony forum that are experiencing the same thing- decreased rendering performance in 6.

Peter Jefferson · April 19th, 2005, 06:51 AM

strange...
im still using V5 until this V6 engine is a lil more stable, as im gettin constant crashes, so i cant help at this time im afraid..

Glen Elliott · April 19th, 2005, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter Jefferson

strange...
im still using V5 until this V6 engine is a lil more stable, as im gettin constant crashes, so i cant help at this time im afraid..

Yeah do what I do. Leave your previous version installed until the first or second build.

I have confidence in the fact Sony will patch it up pretty quick. I'm just dissapointed because I was expecting something I didn't get. Mark Foley confirmed on his rigs, that his Dual Processor machine is now blazing fast, and his single processor machine is slightly slower. I might be able to tweak the performance by changing the "render threads" but I don't understand what they are or how they work yet- I haven't seen any literature on them.

Bill Ravens · April 19th, 2005, 08:17 AM

sony specifically states that 3rd party codecs won't render any faster if they're not multi-threaded.

Robert Crawford · April 19th, 2005, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Ravens

sony specifically states that 3rd party codecs won't render any faster if they're not multi-threaded.

I haven't done a specific test, yet, but just from putzing around last night I got the feeling that rendering a preview was slower. I was also playing around with a nested project, and had two projects open at once, so that might have had an impact.

I'll try to do a test tonight. I have the same project in V5 and V6, so I can try that.

Robert Crawford · April 19th, 2005, 05:08 PM

OK, my test is complete. The project is a 7:36 long song from a concert; the source files are on a firewire drive, the target was a local drive. The target format was DV. There was color correction applied, as well as some transitions across the cuts. Both projects were identical; I pulled up a backup of the V5 project and had already saved a V6 copy last night.

V6: 30 minutes

V5: 33 minutes

This is on a single processor 2GHz P4, 512MB RAM, no hyperthreading.

No real speed-up, but no slow-down, either. I'm satisfied that V6 is no slower.

Peter Jefferson · April 19th, 2005, 08:59 PM

hey glen,
I hear ya mate..
funny thing is i still have vegas4 installed as its the only app that will alow me to import QT files to the timeline, whithout the need of having me go and buy an "upgrade" of quicktime pro. once i have the QT files there, i render out to avi then throw then in Vegas 5.. :)

As for version 6, i cant get anything happening with mine.. i cant even import media.. i dont know if its the fact im actually running V5 while i launch v6, but that shouldnt happen anyway..

i think some more work needs to be done with V6...
on top of that, i was hoping for some new filters and transitions... maybe a alpha loadable cookie cutter or a colour match filter or auto white balance.. :(

Edward Troxel · April 20th, 2005, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter Jefferson

hey glen,
I hear ya mate..
funny thing is i still have vegas4 installed as its the only app that will alow me to import QT files to the timeline, whithout the need of having me go and buy an "upgrade" of quicktime pro. once i have the QT files there, i render out to avi then throw then in Vegas 5.. :)

Peter, Vegas 5 and 6 also allow QT *WITHOUT* QTPro. You do need one of the newer versions (6.x???) and do the custom install taking special care to make sure the Authoring Tools have been selected.

Peter Jefferson · April 20th, 2005, 11:13 AM

Hey Ed, i have QT5 installed, but when i try to import .movs to V5, V5 tells me i need QT6...
im not prepated to pay another hundred bux or so for a codec i already have and despise, however use as i work with alot of mac heads...
I dont see why Sony did this.. but i guess again it could be a DX issue.. i might be wrong..

Mark McKelvey · April 20th, 2005, 02:01 PM

I've always been able to import movs to Vegas 5. I think you just need to upgrade the player with "authoring tools" selected during the install-it's free.

Aaron Koolen · April 20th, 2005, 02:59 PM

Likewise, I've never bought Quicktime pro and have always been able to import .movs into Vegas. 4, 5 and now 6 is seems (demo only for me)

Aaron

Edward Troxel · April 20th, 2005, 03:16 PM

Peter, you don't have to buy ANYTHING. Run the QT6 install, choose CUSTOM, and then pick EVERYTHING. Nothing at all to buy - you just need QT6.

April 18th, 2005, 07:29 PM	#1
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Help! Why is my Vegas 6 rendering SLOWER than 5?! Did some MPG2 renders tonight and timed them in both programs. Vegas 6 was slower every single time by several seconds in a minute or less render. Am I missing something- everyone seems to be seeing INCREASED render performance?! I will note one thing- when I went to render out my first MPG2 from Vegas 6 it never asked me to connect to the net to "register" the MainConcept encoder like it did in Version 4 and 5. Is it possible it's still using the Vegas 5 encoder?

April 20th, 2005, 02:59 PM	#14
Aaron Koolen Trustee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 1,727	Likewise, I've never bought Quicktime pro and have always been able to import .movs into Vegas. 4, 5 and now 6 is seems (demo only for me) Aaron __________________ My Website Meat Free Media

April 20th, 2005, 03:16 PM	#15
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Peter, you don't have to buy ANYTHING. Run the QT6 install, choose CUSTOM, and then pick EVERYTHING. Nothing at all to buy - you just need QT6. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

April 18th, 2005, 09:15 PM	#2
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	in the preferences tab u can allocate how u manage cpu. Dejavu man... i swear i just saw a similar post to this on the sony forums??? or am i imagining it ?? god i need sleep...

April 19th, 2005, 06:51 AM	#5
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	strange... im still using V5 until this V6 engine is a lil more stable, as im gettin constant crashes, so i cant help at this time im afraid..

April 19th, 2005, 08:17 AM	#7
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	sony specifically states that 3rd party codecs won't render any faster if they're not multi-threaded.

April 19th, 2005, 05:08 PM	#9
Robert Crawford Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 33	OK, my test is complete. The project is a 7:36 long song from a concert; the source files are on a firewire drive, the target was a local drive. The target format was DV. There was color correction applied, as well as some transitions across the cuts. Both projects were identical; I pulled up a backup of the V5 project and had already saved a V6 copy last night. V6: 30 minutes V5: 33 minutes This is on a single processor 2GHz P4, 512MB RAM, no hyperthreading. No real speed-up, but no slow-down, either. I'm satisfied that V6 is no slower.

April 19th, 2005, 08:59 PM	#10
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	hey glen, I hear ya mate.. funny thing is i still have vegas4 installed as its the only app that will alow me to import QT files to the timeline, whithout the need of having me go and buy an "upgrade" of quicktime pro. once i have the QT files there, i render out to avi then throw then in Vegas 5.. :) As for version 6, i cant get anything happening with mine.. i cant even import media.. i dont know if its the fact im actually running V5 while i launch v6, but that shouldnt happen anyway.. i think some more work needs to be done with V6... on top of that, i was hoping for some new filters and transitions... maybe a alpha loadable cookie cutter or a colour match filter or auto white balance.. :(

April 20th, 2005, 11:13 AM	#12
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	Hey Ed, i have QT5 installed, but when i try to import .movs to V5, V5 tells me i need QT6... im not prepated to pay another hundred bux or so for a codec i already have and despise, however use as i work with alot of mac heads... I dont see why Sony did this.. but i guess again it could be a DX issue.. i might be wrong..

April 20th, 2005, 02:01 PM	#13
Mark McKelvey New Boot Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Springwater,NY Posts: 5	I've always been able to import movs to Vegas 5. I think you just need to upgrade the player with "authoring tools" selected during the install-it's free.