Vegas Video discussions from 2006 (Q3Q4)

Don Donatello · October 11th, 2006, 09:24 PM

you have 25fps PAL ..
you want to end up 25fps PAL ?
to get rid of interlace why not render out as 25fps PAL and render it as PROGRESSIVE ? ( make sure you change deinterlace method to blend)

IMO taking 25fps ..changing it to 30fps and then back down to 25fps = interlace mess

David Jimerson · October 12th, 2006, 08:35 AM

Yeah -- for the most part, unless you're looking at the window bar, you wouldn't be able to tell which version you're in.

Mike Costantini · October 12th, 2006, 03:32 PM

Is it possible to output from my video camera into a laptop with Vegas 6 via firewire in order to look at the incoming video on the video scopes in the software so that I can get all my levels correct? I looked on the laptop and it has a 4-pin firewire port.

Jarrod Whaley · October 12th, 2006, 04:19 PM

You can input from the camera in the vidcap app, but as far as I know there's no way to do so within Vegas itself and thus use the video scopes while shooting.

That said, I don't do HDV, so I'm not sure how the internal HDV capture works. I'll leave it up to someone else to comment on that.

Douglas Spotted Eagle · October 12th, 2006, 04:30 PM

You cannot view live scopes in Vegas during capture.
This is where a tool like DVRack HD come in very handy. It allows live scopes during capture.
It's not an issue of whether you have 4 or 6 pin ports, it's a matter of whether you have an application that allows for live input. Vegas allows for live input, but the scopes cannot be active. the scopes in Vegas are a post-only tool.

Mike Costantini · October 12th, 2006, 05:47 PM

Oh I see.. So what would one use the live input for? Just audio recording?

Jarrod Whaley · October 12th, 2006, 06:11 PM

Spot--

Please do expand on this live input idea if you're talking about camera input directly into Vegas and not into the quasi-separate vidcap application. I can think of a few situations in which that would be pretty handy, but I'm not so sure the capability is there. I'd love to be proven wrong though. :)

Seth Bloombaum · October 12th, 2006, 08:24 PM

(I'm not spot...)

To bring video into Vegas "live"... is just like a DV or HDV capture without machine control, be sure to turn off machine control in the capture prefs.

DV - the external capture app, HDV - the internal, just as always.

I'd guess that this isn't really what SF/Sony had in mind, but it works because firewire is firewire, and without machine control on, V doesn't know the difference between a live stream and a stream from tape.

All things considered, it IS a hard-drive recorder... but offers no features for live cap other than the basic capture.

Yes, Vegas will also do stereo or multitrack audio recording live - this IS an app V. was designed for, as it started out life as an audio editor. Recordings take place inside the main Vegas interface, in audio tracks on the timeline.

Basically, any internal or external sound card/interface that works in Windows will work in Vegas, you go into prefs (in Vegas, not Capture) to select the audio device(s) for recording & playback. This works very well.

There are a few flavors of audio drivers that have their pros & cons, and several professional cards/interfaces allow access with more than one kind of driver... (going off topic...)

Douglas Spotted Eagle · October 12th, 2006, 09:49 PM

Seth answered it pretty much as I would.
We used Vegas as a live video capture app for a couple years until Serious Magic came along with DVRack, and later DVRackHD.

As far as live audio...heck, I've recorded 26 tracks live with Vegas on more than one occasion, and regularly capture 8-16 tracks of input live.

Jack Zhang · October 13th, 2006, 02:14 AM

I'm editing a project using WMV fies encoded by Windows Media Encoder (Don't worry, the destination's Youtube so quality doesn't matter). In Vegas 6 I was able to edit and render out all of the WMV files without a problem but in Vegas 7, All non-AV (only a stream of video with no audio stream) files have a 24P-30P like jitter and all AV files (video and audio stream together) don't. This is very weird...

I hope there's a fix to this soon in 7.0c.

Seth Bloombaum · October 13th, 2006, 12:01 PM

Jack, I'm not in a position at this moment to do even any quick testing, but if memory serves, WMV Video Only clips will sometimes have issues on playback in WMPlayer.

The fact that you've been successful in Vegas6 doing vid-only may be a fluke of Vegas 6. I'm not defending V7 or anything...

But... best practice for WM is to include at least a low-bitrate silent audio track with your video-only clips.

Ron German · October 13th, 2006, 12:56 PM

Hello

I downloaded Vegas 7.b and when I try to instal in Athlon 2.0 / 1GB RAM system the instalation always stops with
"Extracting Files: mediamgr\msde\Setup\SqlRun.cab" file
and apears the following message:
Error: CRC mismatch – aborting the installation

Note that I have instaled Vegs 4 and 5 with no problem.

Any idea what`s going on?

Thank you
Ron

Edward Troxel · October 13th, 2006, 01:03 PM

You have a bad download. Download it again.

Ron German · October 13th, 2006, 05:37 PM

Thank you Edward
I should tell you that there was a Vegas 7.a download one day before and this Athlon system rejected the file the same way it rejected today, but unexpectedly a second computer (with a Pentium system) had no problem to install the Vegas 7.a file. Go figure...

Ron

Jason Simpkins · October 13th, 2006, 08:54 PM

Ok, this may be in the wrong section but sure yall can answer this. Most video that I have shot has been done in 4:3 and I preview it on 4:3. However with such new plasmas,dlp,lcd, etc all being 16:9 I have a question.

I have a shoot coming up and it will be shot in 16:9. I have never shot in 16:9 as it was never needed. Now that I am doing that do I need to get a small 16:9 screen to preview it? I know that I can use the safe area in vegas but that is not full proof.

If I do need a 16:9 can I still do my previews for the 4:3 on it? Also who has some small cheap 16:9 tv's.

Jason

October 12th, 2006, 08:35 AM	#1052
David Jimerson Jubal 28 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 872	Yeah -- for the most part, unless you're looking at the window bar, you wouldn't be able to tell which version you're in. __________________ www.wrightsvillebeachstudios.com

October 12th, 2006, 03:32 PM	#1053
Mike Costantini Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 154	Can I connect my camera to Vegas while shooting? Is it possible to output from my video camera into a laptop with Vegas 6 via firewire in order to look at the incoming video on the video scopes in the software so that I can get all my levels correct? I looked on the laptop and it has a 4-pin firewire port.

October 12th, 2006, 04:19 PM	#1054
Jarrod Whaley Major Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: chattanooga, tn Posts: 721	You can input from the camera in the vidcap app, but as far as I know there's no way to do so within Vegas itself and thus use the video scopes while shooting. That said, I don't do HDV, so I'm not sure how the internal HDV capture works. I'll leave it up to someone else to comment on that. __________________ -->jarrod whaley. www.oakstreetfilms.com

October 12th, 2006, 04:30 PM	#1055
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	You cannot view live scopes in Vegas during capture. This is where a tool like DVRack HD come in very handy. It allows live scopes during capture. It's not an issue of whether you have 4 or 6 pin ports, it's a matter of whether you have an application that allows for live input. Vegas allows for live input, but the scopes cannot be active. the scopes in Vegas are a post-only tool. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

October 12th, 2006, 06:11 PM	#1057
Jarrod Whaley Major Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: chattanooga, tn Posts: 721	Spot-- Please do expand on this live input idea if you're talking about camera input directly into Vegas and not into the quasi-separate vidcap application. I can think of a few situations in which that would be pretty handy, but I'm not so sure the capability is there. I'd love to be proven wrong though. :) __________________ -->jarrod whaley. www.oakstreetfilms.com

October 11th, 2006, 09:24 PM	#1051
Don Donatello Hawaiian Shirt Mogul Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: northern cailfornia Posts: 1,261	you have 25fps PAL .. you want to end up 25fps PAL ? to get rid of interlace why not render out as 25fps PAL and render it as PROGRESSIVE ? ( make sure you change deinterlace method to blend) IMO taking 25fps ..changing it to 30fps and then back down to 25fps = interlace mess

October 12th, 2006, 05:47 PM	#1056
Mike Costantini Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 154	Oh I see.. So what would one use the live input for? Just audio recording?

October 12th, 2006, 08:24 PM	#1058
Seth Bloombaum Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,420	(I'm not spot...) To bring video into Vegas "live"... is just like a DV or HDV capture without machine control, be sure to turn off machine control in the capture prefs. DV - the external capture app, HDV - the internal, just as always. I'd guess that this isn't really what SF/Sony had in mind, but it works because firewire is firewire, and without machine control on, V doesn't know the difference between a live stream and a stream from tape. All things considered, it IS a hard-drive recorder... but offers no features for live cap other than the basic capture. Yes, Vegas will also do stereo or multitrack audio recording live - this IS an app V. was designed for, as it started out life as an audio editor. Recordings take place inside the main Vegas interface, in audio tracks on the timeline. Basically, any internal or external sound card/interface that works in Windows will work in Vegas, you go into prefs (in Vegas, not Capture) to select the audio device(s) for recording & playback. This works very well. There are a few flavors of audio drivers that have their pros & cons, and several professional cards/interfaces allow access with more than one kind of driver... (going off topic...)

October 12th, 2006, 09:49 PM	#1059
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	Seth answered it pretty much as I would. We used Vegas as a live video capture app for a couple years until Serious Magic came along with DVRack, and later DVRackHD. As far as live audio...heck, I've recorded 26 tracks live with Vegas on more than one occasion, and regularly capture 8-16 tracks of input live. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

October 13th, 2006, 02:14 AM	#1060
Jack Zhang Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Burnaby, BC, Canada Posts: 3,053	WMV and Vegas 7 I'm editing a project using WMV fies encoded by Windows Media Encoder (Don't worry, the destination's Youtube so quality doesn't matter). In Vegas 6 I was able to edit and render out all of the WMV files without a problem but in Vegas 7, All non-AV (only a stream of video with no audio stream) files have a 24P-30P like jitter and all AV files (video and audio stream together) don't. This is very weird... I hope there's a fix to this soon in 7.0c.

October 13th, 2006, 12:01 PM	#1061
Seth Bloombaum Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,420	Jack, I'm not in a position at this moment to do even any quick testing, but if memory serves, WMV Video Only clips will sometimes have issues on playback in WMPlayer. The fact that you've been successful in Vegas6 doing vid-only may be a fluke of Vegas 6. I'm not defending V7 or anything... But... best practice for WM is to include at least a low-bitrate silent audio track with your video-only clips.

October 13th, 2006, 12:56 PM	#1062
Ron German Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Rio de Janeiro - Brasil Posts: 304	Vegas 7.b instalation problem Hello I downloaded Vegas 7.b and when I try to instal in Athlon 2.0 / 1GB RAM system the instalation always stops with "Extracting Files: mediamgr\msde\Setup\SqlRun.cab" file and apears the following message: Error: CRC mismatch – aborting the installation Note that I have instaled Vegs 4 and 5 with no problem. Any idea what`s going on? Thank you Ron

October 13th, 2006, 01:03 PM	#1063
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	You have a bad download. Download it again. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

October 13th, 2006, 05:37 PM	#1064
Ron German Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Rio de Janeiro - Brasil Posts: 304	Thank you Edward I should tell you that there was a Vegas 7.a download one day before and this Athlon system rejected the file the same way it rejected today, but unexpectedly a second computer (with a Pentium system) had no problem to install the Vegas 7.a file. Go figure... Ron

October 13th, 2006, 08:54 PM	#1065
Jason Simpkins Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dallas Texas Posts: 64	Preview on 16:9 help Ok, this may be in the wrong section but sure yall can answer this. Most video that I have shot has been done in 4:3 and I preview it on 4:3. However with such new plasmas,dlp,lcd, etc all being 16:9 I have a question. I have a shoot coming up and it will be shot in 16:9. I have never shot in 16:9 as it was never needed. Now that I am doing that do I need to get a small 16:9 screen to preview it? I know that I can use the safe area in vegas but that is not full proof. If I do need a 16:9 can I still do my previews for the 4:3 on it? Also who has some small cheap 16:9 tv's. Jason