Vegas Video discussions from 2006 (Q3Q4)

Craig Droessler · October 5th, 2006, 01:11 PM

Hi, I'm new to Vegas so bare with me.

I have a circle logo that I brought in as a PNG image. I want to animate the logo and make it roll out like a barrel from the left side of the screen. Playing with the Pan options I can make it spin in place in the center of the screen, but when I try to start with the image off screen, it ends up spiraling into the center, not rolling in a straight line from left to center (which is what I want).

hope that makes sense.

Thanks for your help.

Craig D

Don Bloom · October 5th, 2006, 01:16 PM

Repeat after me; KEYFRAMES ARE MY FRIEND. :-)

By using keyframes you can do many many things with your logo. to get it to spin off the frame set a keyframe to the time you want it to start spinning off and then move the box in the PAN/CROP to the position you want it to end up in and place a keyframe there. That way the box has a direction, a map if you will, to follow.

HTHs

Don

Craig Droessler · October 5th, 2006, 01:25 PM

Be careful with the alienware. I bought a desktop in 2001 and it was great. I bought a laptop in 2004 and it has given me trouble all the time.

First the motherboard had a problem which made the system lock up if you unplugged it from the charger.

After many hours on tech support, they finally had me mail it back after I had to get angry and volatile on the phone. This was after probably 8 or more tech support calls. They just kept making me run the same stupid test again and again.

After a month they sent it back, but then the video card was damaged. Most likely from the beginning faulty motherboard. They had to send me a new card to fix that.

Within a year overheating issues became worse and worse. Now the system is essentially a desktop. No laptop cooling pads would move enough air to cool it. It is now propped up with the bottom panel off and a small desk fan mounted behind it to keep it cool.

I now have a dual display setup and the system behaves pretty well when she is kept cool. It just sucks that my "laptop" is no longer portable at all.

I was a real supporter of Alienware, but after reading many horror stories on notebookforems.com, and dealing with my own, my mind has changed. If you do buy one, get the best warranty you can, just in case. Overheating is a major problem, but they should do a better job of curbing that when they cram that kind of hard ware inside.

The latest case designs may have fixed all this by now.

Craig Droessler · October 5th, 2006, 01:33 PM

Well I did that. I had the first keyframe with the object outside the left of the frame. Then the second keyframe with the logo in the center how I want it to stop.

Doing this, the logo slides in from left to center. I want it to roll as it moves in. So I took the first keyframe (the one with the logo outside the frame) and rotated it 180 degrees. This makes the logo spiral in, not roll.

I think it is because I am spinning the frame, not the logo. Is there a way to make the logo spin with out spinning the frame around it?

Torrance Colvin · October 5th, 2006, 01:38 PM

DSE, do you capture using the medium setting or the large setting in cineform? Is the difference really negligble?

Don Bloom · October 5th, 2006, 02:21 PM

Ahhh, OK that would make sense. I read too fast and didn't see you brought it in as a graphic. Does the PNG have a transparent background? If not then Vegas will spin the frame with the (probably black background) spinning with it. You can MASK out the logo but with the movement it can be a real PITA and many many keyframes OR you might try it in something like BluffTitler which is a very inexpensive motion graphics program that is made to do exactly what you want to do. Unfortunately Vegas really isn't set up to do this. WAIT!!! Another idea. You might try ChromaKey in Vegas to get rid of the background but remember that even with a transparent background on the timeline if theres nothing under the graphic the background will show as black, also try rendering it with an ALPHA CHANNEL and Premultiplied Dirty which will eliminate the background.
Good Luck, let us know what you're doing and how its going.
Don

Edward Troxel · October 5th, 2006, 02:45 PM

If you just drag it onto the timeline, open Pan/Crop, and then add rotation, it should rotate about the center of the screen. Then use Track Motion to position/move it.

Craig Droessler · October 5th, 2006, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Bloom

Ahhh, OK that would make sense. I read too fast and didn't see you brought it in as a graphic. Does the PNG have a transparent background? If not then Vegas will spin the frame with the (probably black background) spinning with it. You can MASK out the logo but with the movement it can be a real PITA and many many keyframes OR you might try it in something like BluffTitler which is a very inexpensive motion graphics program that is made to do exactly what you want to do. Unfortunately Vegas really isn't set up to do this. WAIT!!! Another idea. You might try ChromaKey in Vegas to get rid of the background but remember that even with a transparent background on the timeline if theres nothing under the graphic the background will show as black, also try rendering it with an ALPHA CHANNEL and Premultiplied Dirty which will eliminate the background.
Good Luck, let us know what you're doing and how its going.
Don

Don,
Thanks for the advice. I'm a graphic designer by trade, but a newbie to video. So PNG images can retain Alpha channel masks? The logo is black and white, set on a white background. I can make the white transparent in Photoshop no problem. So a PNG file can have a transparent background? I'm new to the file type.

Edward,
I'll give your method a shot tonight when I get home.

Thanks guys

Edward Troxel · October 5th, 2006, 03:24 PM

Yes, a PNG can have a transparent background. If it does not show up that way (and it HAS as transparent background), right-click it, choose properties, and change the alpha channel mode.

Jim Montgomery · October 5th, 2006, 04:54 PM

Torrence

Try closing Media Manager. Options - Preferences - General. Vegas will load a lot quicker. Close Vegas and then re-open. Then import files using File - Import - Media and see if that helps.

Jim

Joe Bowey · October 5th, 2006, 05:49 PM

I am about to upgrade to Vegas 7 from Vegas 4 and have a few questions.
I shoot using JVC hd100ua camera and wonder do you guys Downconvert from hDV to sd before editing during the capture?
And I see Vegas 7 handles HDV files so I don't need any special capture cards?
Also, does editing HDV files on vegas 7 work as well as SD files?

Lamar Lamb · October 5th, 2006, 06:30 PM

I've been happily running Vegas 5 since it came out but the $149.00 offer from Sony finally broke me down so Vegas 7 + DVD is on the way.

My question is will the VASST Ultimate S2 plugins work with Vegas 7? I downloaded a trail copy of Ultimate S2 a little over a month ago and like it but have been waiting to see if it would work with Vegas 7 before I purchase.

Jim Montgomery · October 5th, 2006, 07:23 PM

Vasst has an update on their site.

Jim

Seth Bloombaum · October 5th, 2006, 07:31 PM

Got together this afternoon with forum member Burk Webb aka. Yoyodyne and we tested his extremely cool JVC HD100 with Vegas 7 internal capture via firewire.

24p - no camera timecode captured, all clips start at TC 0:00.
30p - mostly worked right! Our first cap didn't, but all caps after that showed correct camera timecode in the captured video.

More on Sony Z1 camera timecode on this thread (it works!)
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...269#post544269

Torrance Colvin · October 5th, 2006, 08:06 PM

Thanks for the effort Jim. Same Fatal Error Exception. Ahhhhhhh!

October 5th, 2006, 01:11 PM	#946
Craig Droessler New Boot Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Madison, Wisconsin Posts: 5	how to make a rolling graphic Hi, I'm new to Vegas so bare with me. I have a circle logo that I brought in as a PNG image. I want to animate the logo and make it roll out like a barrel from the left side of the screen. Playing with the Pan options I can make it spin in place in the center of the screen, but when I try to start with the image off screen, it ends up spiraling into the center, not rolling in a straight line from left to center (which is what I want). hope that makes sense. Thanks for your help. Craig D

October 5th, 2006, 01:38 PM	#950
Torrance Colvin New Boot Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 24	DSE, do you capture using the medium setting or the large setting in cineform? Is the difference really negligble? __________________ www.24kblack.com

October 5th, 2006, 02:45 PM	#952
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	If you just drag it onto the timeline, open Pan/Crop, and then add rotation, it should rotate about the center of the screen. Then use Track Motion to position/move it. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

October 5th, 2006, 03:24 PM	#954
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Yes, a PNG can have a transparent background. If it does not show up that way (and it HAS as transparent background), right-click it, choose properties, and change the alpha channel mode. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

October 5th, 2006, 05:49 PM	#956
Joe Bowey Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 217	New to editing in HDV. I am about to upgrade to Vegas 7 from Vegas 4 and have a few questions. I shoot using JVC hd100ua camera and wonder do you guys Downconvert from hDV to sd before editing during the capture? And I see Vegas 7 handles HDV files so I don't need any special capture cards? Also, does editing HDV files on vegas 7 work as well as SD files?

October 5th, 2006, 01:16 PM	#947
Don Bloom Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,609	Repeat after me; KEYFRAMES ARE MY FRIEND. :-) By using keyframes you can do many many things with your logo. to get it to spin off the frame set a keyframe to the time you want it to start spinning off and then move the box in the PAN/CROP to the position you want it to end up in and place a keyframe there. That way the box has a direction, a map if you will, to follow. HTHs Don

October 5th, 2006, 01:25 PM	#948
Craig Droessler New Boot Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Madison, Wisconsin Posts: 5	Be careful with the alienware. I bought a desktop in 2001 and it was great. I bought a laptop in 2004 and it has given me trouble all the time. First the motherboard had a problem which made the system lock up if you unplugged it from the charger. After many hours on tech support, they finally had me mail it back after I had to get angry and volatile on the phone. This was after probably 8 or more tech support calls. They just kept making me run the same stupid test again and again. After a month they sent it back, but then the video card was damaged. Most likely from the beginning faulty motherboard. They had to send me a new card to fix that. Within a year overheating issues became worse and worse. Now the system is essentially a desktop. No laptop cooling pads would move enough air to cool it. It is now propped up with the bottom panel off and a small desk fan mounted behind it to keep it cool. I now have a dual display setup and the system behaves pretty well when she is kept cool. It just sucks that my "laptop" is no longer portable at all. I was a real supporter of Alienware, but after reading many horror stories on notebookforems.com, and dealing with my own, my mind has changed. If you do buy one, get the best warranty you can, just in case. Overheating is a major problem, but they should do a better job of curbing that when they cram that kind of hard ware inside. The latest case designs may have fixed all this by now.

October 5th, 2006, 01:33 PM	#949
Craig Droessler New Boot Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Madison, Wisconsin Posts: 5	Well I did that. I had the first keyframe with the object outside the left of the frame. Then the second keyframe with the logo in the center how I want it to stop. Doing this, the logo slides in from left to center. I want it to roll as it moves in. So I took the first keyframe (the one with the logo outside the frame) and rotated it 180 degrees. This makes the logo spiral in, not roll. I think it is because I am spinning the frame, not the logo. Is there a way to make the logo spin with out spinning the frame around it?

October 5th, 2006, 02:21 PM	#951
Don Bloom Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,609	Ahhh, OK that would make sense. I read too fast and didn't see you brought it in as a graphic. Does the PNG have a transparent background? If not then Vegas will spin the frame with the (probably black background) spinning with it. You can MASK out the logo but with the movement it can be a real PITA and many many keyframes OR you might try it in something like BluffTitler which is a very inexpensive motion graphics program that is made to do exactly what you want to do. Unfortunately Vegas really isn't set up to do this. WAIT!!! Another idea. You might try ChromaKey in Vegas to get rid of the background but remember that even with a transparent background on the timeline if theres nothing under the graphic the background will show as black, also try rendering it with an ALPHA CHANNEL and Premultiplied Dirty which will eliminate the background. Good Luck, let us know what you're doing and how its going. Don

October 5th, 2006, 04:54 PM	#955
Jim Montgomery Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Vero Beach Posts: 392	Torrence Try closing Media Manager. Options - Preferences - General. Vegas will load a lot quicker. Close Vegas and then re-open. Then import files using File - Import - Media and see if that helps. Jim

October 5th, 2006, 06:30 PM	#957
Lamar Lamb Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Baxley, Georgia Posts: 103	Ultimate S2 & Vegas 7 Compatibility I've been happily running Vegas 5 since it came out but the $149.00 offer from Sony finally broke me down so Vegas 7 + DVD is on the way. My question is will the VASST Ultimate S2 plugins work with Vegas 7? I downloaded a trail copy of Ultimate S2 a little over a month ago and like it but have been waiting to see if it would work with Vegas 7 before I purchase. __________________ Lamar

October 5th, 2006, 07:23 PM	#958
Jim Montgomery Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Vero Beach Posts: 392	Vasst has an update on their site. Jim

October 5th, 2006, 07:31 PM	#959
Seth Bloombaum Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,420	Brief HDV TC test with HD100 and V7 Got together this afternoon with forum member Burk Webb aka. Yoyodyne and we tested his extremely cool JVC HD100 with Vegas 7 internal capture via firewire. 24p - no camera timecode captured, all clips start at TC 0:00. 30p - mostly worked right! Our first cap didn't, but all caps after that showed correct camera timecode in the captured video. More on Sony Z1 camera timecode on this thread (it works!) http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...269#post544269

October 5th, 2006, 08:06 PM	#960
Torrance Colvin New Boot Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 24	Thanks for the effort Jim. Same Fatal Error Exception. Ahhhhhhh! __________________ www.24kblack.com