Vegas Video discussions from 2006 (Q3Q4)

Tim Bickford · September 29th, 2006, 04:52 PM

Pardon the simple question. I've been using Premiere Pro too long.

Q. Following addition of an effect or transition to a clip one would normally render in P-pro. Once rendered, the clip would play back in "real time". How do I do this with Vegas? I have a small clip with an effect in my timeline. It plays back sluggishly. How do I render?

Thanks

Glenn Chan · September 29th, 2006, 05:03 PM

Vegas' equivalents of rendering are:

A- "Selectively pre-render video"
Vegas loses this render easily though.

B- Render to new track.
*caveat: You have to wrangle these renders manually.
*other caveat: Watch out for trackFX and video preview FX.

C- RAM preview
Set your loop region, and hit shift B.

D- There is also network rendering for C, although it has its own caveats.

I would suggest B or C.

2- You can also drop down in quality to draft mode, or doubleclick the top part of the preview window to change its size.

Tim Bickford · September 29th, 2006, 05:20 PM

Glen

Thanks... This is kinda like learning to write left handed.

In P-Pro you can tell what has been rendered by looking at the color in the top of the time line. How do I tell in Vegas?

Here is what I have.

A short segment of 24P in on video track one and a sort segment of video on track video track two. A sort audio clip in audio track 1. Video track one fades in and out while video track two plays.

I selected File>Render As> saved as an avi file and rendered. After I rendered the playback on my NTSC was not smooth.

I'll keep picking away at it.

Thanks...

Tim

Dean Orewiler · September 29th, 2006, 05:29 PM

how do I remove the transition if I decide I don't want it??
Thanks for the info ED.
Dean

Derek Weiss · September 29th, 2006, 06:07 PM

I just started using Connect HD in V6.d

The audio says (Peaks Not Available)????

Captured the clips with HD link to Cineform clips only, no mt2. Something I'm missing?

Thanks in advance.

Edward Troxel · September 29th, 2006, 07:21 PM

Just remove the fade in - unless you want the fade in but not the transition. You can always click on the transition and press the "/" key on the numeric keypad.

Dean Orewiler · September 29th, 2006, 07:51 PM

Excellent...thanks again for the help ED...I really appreciate it. Have a great weekend !!!
Dean

David Delaney · September 30th, 2006, 08:46 AM

I really wished they would fix/upgrade this in Vegas or if someone smarter then me (not hard) could come up with a way to CHECK OFF which attributes that the user wants to paste instead of all of nothing (Premiere has had this for years)...

Ian Stark · September 30th, 2006, 11:09 AM

Hi Glenn,

Interested in your comment "Vegas loses this render easily".

How do you mean exactly?

Thbanks.

Ian . . .

Glenn Chan · September 30th, 2006, 02:49 PM

If you ripple your timeline, Vegas will likely lose the pre-render.

Quote:

In P-Pro you can tell what has been rendered by looking at the color in the top of the time line. How do I tell in Vegas?

File --> render as isn't the same as "render to new track" or selectively pre-render. Both of those two methods give you feedback showing what's rendered I believe.

Glenn Chan · September 30th, 2006, 02:52 PM

I agree. But try adding a product suggestion, they do seem to read them (i.e. the new snapping in Vegas 7).

http://www.sonymediasoftware.com/sup...suggestion.asp

The Sony Media Software forum also gets read I believe.

Ian Stark · September 30th, 2006, 03:00 PM

Interesting. I'll have to play!

Thanks, Glenn.

Michael Pace · September 30th, 2006, 04:57 PM

hey friends: i looked for answers to this but did'nt find anything very recent--

I've been cooking along with single-layer DVD output for a few years, and am now edging into dual-layer. I have a 100 minute project that has been authored to DVD a few different times now (Vegas 6 and Architect3) with basically good results.

BUTT.. there is a quality hit in some parts (night scenes) and i'm wondering if upping the bitrate to take advantage of the extra room on a DL disc will get me anything.

I've been using Edward's bitrate chart and formula from 2004 or so, making the mpg2 and AC3 in Vegas using a custom MainConcept template w/ VBR #'s derived from Edward's formula.

Assuming i get the VBR numbers i need, anybody see any problem with using Architect 3 for DL authoring??

Thanks all,

MRP

Emre Safak · September 30th, 2006, 05:29 PM

Using this calculator, I see that you get an average bit rate of 5.75Mbps using just single layer disks (assuming 192kbps AC3 for the sound track). That means you have no need to use DL media.

David Delaney · October 1st, 2006, 07:38 PM

I really like the look of the Killer's new Video - When you were young. It has a Western, 70's type feel. Can this be achieved in Vegas or was it film stock and great lighting?

September 29th, 2006, 04:52 PM	#886
Tim Bickford Major Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 448	How do I render Pardon the simple question. I've been using Premiere Pro too long. Q. Following addition of an effect or transition to a clip one would normally render in P-pro. Once rendered, the clip would play back in "real time". How do I do this with Vegas? I have a small clip with an effect in my timeline. It plays back sluggishly. How do I render? Thanks __________________ Tim Bickford

September 29th, 2006, 05:20 PM	#888
Tim Bickford Major Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 448	Glen Thanks... This is kinda like learning to write left handed. In P-Pro you can tell what has been rendered by looking at the color in the top of the time line. How do I tell in Vegas? Here is what I have. A short segment of 24P in on video track one and a sort segment of video on track video track two. A sort audio clip in audio track 1. Video track one fades in and out while video track two plays. I selected File>Render As> saved as an avi file and rendered. After I rendered the playback on my NTSC was not smooth. I'll keep picking away at it. Thanks... Tim __________________ Tim Bickford

September 29th, 2006, 06:07 PM	#890
Derek Weiss Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 214	Connect HD-No Audio Peaks in V6? I just started using Connect HD in V6.d The audio says (Peaks Not Available)???? Captured the clips with HD link to Cineform clips only, no mt2. Something I'm missing? Thanks in advance.

September 29th, 2006, 07:21 PM	#891
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Just remove the fade in - unless you want the fade in but not the transition. You can always click on the transition and press the "/" key on the numeric keypad. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

September 30th, 2006, 08:46 AM	#893
David Delaney Trustee Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Niagara Ontario Canada Posts: 1,121	Paste attributes - wish list I really wished they would fix/upgrade this in Vegas or if someone smarter then me (not hard) could come up with a way to CHECK OFF which attributes that the user wants to paste instead of all of nothing (Premiere has had this for years)...

September 29th, 2006, 05:03 PM	#887
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	Vegas' equivalents of rendering are: A- "Selectively pre-render video" Vegas loses this render easily though. B- Render to new track. caveat: You have to wrangle these renders manually. other caveat: Watch out for trackFX and video preview FX. C- RAM preview Set your loop region, and hit shift B. D- There is also network rendering for C, although it has its own caveats. I would suggest B or C. 2- You can also drop down in quality to draft mode, or doubleclick the top part of the preview window to change its size.

September 29th, 2006, 05:29 PM	#889
Dean Orewiler Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 186	how do I remove the transition if I decide I don't want it?? Thanks for the info ED. Dean

September 29th, 2006, 07:51 PM	#892
Dean Orewiler Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 186	Excellent...thanks again for the help ED...I really appreciate it. Have a great weekend !!! Dean

September 30th, 2006, 11:09 AM	#894
Ian Stark Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,237	Hi Glenn, Interested in your comment "Vegas loses this render easily". How do you mean exactly? Thbanks. Ian . . . __________________ www.vit-media.com www.classicmachinefilms.co.uk

September 30th, 2006, 02:52 PM	#896
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	I agree. But try adding a product suggestion, they do seem to read them (i.e. the new snapping in Vegas 7). http://www.sonymediasoftware.com/sup...suggestion.asp The Sony Media Software forum also gets read I believe.

September 30th, 2006, 03:00 PM	#897
Ian Stark Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,237	Interesting. I'll have to play! Thanks, Glenn. __________________ www.vit-media.com www.classicmachinefilms.co.uk

September 30th, 2006, 04:57 PM	#898
Michael Pace Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: La Florida Posts: 68	revised mpg2 bitrates for dual-layer? hey friends: i looked for answers to this but did'nt find anything very recent-- I've been cooking along with single-layer DVD output for a few years, and am now edging into dual-layer. I have a 100 minute project that has been authored to DVD a few different times now (Vegas 6 and Architect3) with basically good results. BUTT.. there is a quality hit in some parts (night scenes) and i'm wondering if upping the bitrate to take advantage of the extra room on a DL disc will get me anything. I've been using Edward's bitrate chart and formula from 2004 or so, making the mpg2 and AC3 in Vegas using a custom MainConcept template w/ VBR #'s derived from Edward's formula. Assuming i get the VBR numbers i need, anybody see any problem with using Architect 3 for DL authoring?? Thanks all, MRP

September 30th, 2006, 05:29 PM	#899
Emre Safak Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,447	Using this calculator, I see that you get an average bit rate of 5.75Mbps using just single layer disks (assuming 192kbps AC3 for the sound track). That means you have no need to use DL media.

October 1st, 2006, 07:38 PM	#900
David Delaney Trustee Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Niagara Ontario Canada Posts: 1,121	Killers new Video - film stock or NLE? I really like the look of the Killer's new Video - When you were young. It has a Western, 70's type feel. Can this be achieved in Vegas or was it film stock and great lighting?