Vegas Video discussions from 2006 (Q3Q4)

Nick Outram · July 3rd, 2006, 04:06 AM

Couple of other options:

1. There is a free filter online called 'Adams Flip' that lets you reverse flip horizontal and vertical. It's supposed to be a lot faster than the inbuilt one. Do a google on it.
2. HDConnect has a 35mm adapter flip feature if you capture with it.

Regards, Nick.

Ian Landy · July 3rd, 2006, 04:31 AM

Thanks Nick. I'll check it out

Ian

Steven Davis · July 3rd, 2006, 04:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glenn Chan

Try the 32" BVM-A
It's only several times the cost of the smaller monitor ($37k list).

Ok, I'm buying two of them.

I suppose that my tv may be too cheap, although it's new. It's a 300.00 flat panel CRT from Samsung. This might come into play though when I show demo's and such at the home office. Hmm...

I was just surprised at how much detail I lose from what looks awsome in my post monitor, to it looking kinda crappy on TV, and I've tried every possible render combo I could think of.

Mike Kujbida · July 3rd, 2006, 06:09 AM

Steven, it's not that your TV is too cheap. It's that the technical quality of your post monitor is far higher than that of your TV. Think of it as the difference between watching a DVD you made vs. the latest Hollywood blockbuster. Why does theirs look so much better than yours when the video resolution of a DVD is fixed? Simple. They start with much higher quality equipment. It's the same thing here.
If you ever have the chance, go to a TV station or a sports mobile and see what the picture quality is like right out of the video switcher. The usual response is "that's NTSC? Wow!!" Then have a look at the off-air monitor after it's been through numerous stages of processing :-(

Steven Davis · July 3rd, 2006, 06:30 AM

Mike, but I want to show high quality on TV lol. It's highly frustrating, I spent 7 hours yesterday trying every render combo I could think of to increase that distance detail,to no avail. Although upclose, and like 20 feet away it's fine, but I was trying to increase the detail when that couple is like 50 feet or more, and I'll be darned if my TV would do it. It's peachy in post. :}

I might for the 'h' 'e' 'double hockey sticks' of it take my little DVD to Best Buy and plug it into some more expensive TV's, if just for the sake of my understanding.

Thanks for that info.

Ruben Pla · July 3rd, 2006, 01:04 PM

Hi,

Can anyone tell me if it's possible to render two different formats, on the same timeline, in the same render process? I have a feature film I'm rendering, all of it except for one scene, shot on 24P, and one scene in the middle of the film, is shot on regular NTSC DV video. If I try rendering the whole project as 24P, the regular DV scene comes out fuzzy. I could render the scene seperately but I'd rather keep it all as one single rendered project. Can that be done?

Thank you. Ruben

Edward Troxel · July 3rd, 2006, 01:09 PM

When you render, everything you render at that time will be rendered the same way. So you can't start one rendering process and have it render different pieces in different ways. You might be able to set up a batch render process to do that using regions and specifying a different format per region using a script.

How are you going to output this/what format are you rendering to?

Ruben Pla · July 3rd, 2006, 01:18 PM

Thank you, Edward. I'm outputting the whole thing through Sony DVDArchitect as 24P (except for the one scene which has to stay in DV form, because if I render that scene as 24P in Vegas, it loses definition.) I'd like to keep the whole project together and not have to bring the pieces to DVDA and try to cut and paste the DV scene in between the 24P scenes in Architect...if that's even possible to do. I'm not sure about that either. Any thoughts?

Edward Troxel · July 3rd, 2006, 02:28 PM

If you render as separate pieces, you can end-action from the 24p to the straight DV and then end action to the other 24p. However, then you'll have a slight pause at those places so you'll have to plan for that.

Ruben Pla · July 3rd, 2006, 03:33 PM

I assume that "end action" means lining up the three segments in DVDA. Two questions:

1) Is there a specific way to do that?

2) Is there any way to eliminate that slight pause?

Thank you, Edward. Ruben

Edward Troxel · July 3rd, 2006, 09:03 PM

Try inserting a playlist and see if that works.

As for the end action, you just add the first one to the menu, add the other two to the project, and then set the "End Action" from one to the other as needed. However, that DOES create the pause which will vary between DVD players.

Personally, I would probably render the whole thing to a single file accepting the known issues.

Ian Briscoe · July 4th, 2006, 02:08 AM

Up to now I've always captured from HVR-Z1E is SD mode (in camera downconvert) but I now want to try and capture HD using Cineform.

Presumably when using editiing on the timeline using the Cineform avi, you're editing at full HDV rsolution - 1440x1080 or wheever it is. You might then use pan/crop to reduce the picture size of an event (eg pip/etc); if you then render as standard mpeg2 (for DVDA) does it automatically reclaculate what the sizes of those cropped events should be as if they were for a 720x576 picture????

Thanx

Ian

Mark Bryant · July 4th, 2006, 01:51 PM

Yes, essentially. I think basically it just rescales the frame. If you've zoomed it, cropped it, whatever, those are retained.
It also means you can zoom in without quality loss (at SD) as you've got that extra resolution to play with.

Ian Briscoe · July 4th, 2006, 03:07 PM

Cheers Mark

Ian

Pete Peterson · July 5th, 2006, 12:41 AM

what are the best render settings to maintain the exact same dimensions when i'm done editing?

alot of times i'll be doing a video, and then after i render there will be
letterboxes when i didn't want it or the image will be stretched. Do i change
the project settings to match exactly the video?

(ie 512/384 24 frames a second)(also, is it better to have the ratio to 1.00 or 0.9101?I played around with the stretch to avoid letterboxing setting thing but it's still sometimes hit and miss.

Also, any ideas for the best way to handle several video files with different
properties? I have at least 5 movie files i want to merge into one but when i
render i'm afraid it will mess up as i can only make one setting for the end
file?

I am rendering to divx if that makes a difference. Thanks in advance.

July 3rd, 2006, 04:06 AM	#46
Nick Outram Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 90	Adams flip Couple of other options: 1. There is a free filter online called 'Adams Flip' that lets you reverse flip horizontal and vertical. It's supposed to be a lot faster than the inbuilt one. Do a google on it. 2. HDConnect has a 35mm adapter flip feature if you capture with it. Regards, Nick.

July 3rd, 2006, 06:30 AM	#50
Steven Davis Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 3,065	Mike, but I want to show high quality on TV lol. It's highly frustrating, I spent 7 hours yesterday trying every render combo I could think of to increase that distance detail,to no avail. Although upclose, and like 20 feet away it's fine, but I was trying to increase the detail when that couple is like 50 feet or more, and I'll be darned if my TV would do it. It's peachy in post. :} I might for the 'h' 'e' 'double hockey sticks' of it take my little DVD to Best Buy and plug it into some more expensive TV's, if just for the sake of my understanding. Thanks for that info. __________________ What happens if I push the 'Red' button?

July 3rd, 2006, 01:04 PM	#51
Ruben Pla Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 80	Can you render in two formats in Vegas 5? Hi, Can anyone tell me if it's possible to render two different formats, on the same timeline, in the same render process? I have a feature film I'm rendering, all of it except for one scene, shot on 24P, and one scene in the middle of the film, is shot on regular NTSC DV video. If I try rendering the whole project as 24P, the regular DV scene comes out fuzzy. I could render the scene seperately but I'd rather keep it all as one single rendered project. Can that be done? Thank you. Ruben

July 3rd, 2006, 01:09 PM	#52
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	When you render, everything you render at that time will be rendered the same way. So you can't start one rendering process and have it render different pieces in different ways. You might be able to set up a batch render process to do that using regions and specifying a different format per region using a script. How are you going to output this/what format are you rendering to? __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

July 3rd, 2006, 02:28 PM	#54
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	If you render as separate pieces, you can end-action from the 24p to the straight DV and then end action to the other 24p. However, then you'll have a slight pause at those places so you'll have to plan for that. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

July 3rd, 2006, 04:31 AM	#47
Ian Landy Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ocean Shores NSW Australia Posts: 28	Thanks Nick. I'll check it out Ian

July 3rd, 2006, 06:09 AM	#49
Mike Kujbida Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Windsor, ON Canada Posts: 2,770	Steven, it's not that your TV is too cheap. It's that the technical quality of your post monitor is far higher than that of your TV. Think of it as the difference between watching a DVD you made vs. the latest Hollywood blockbuster. Why does theirs look so much better than yours when the video resolution of a DVD is fixed? Simple. They start with much higher quality equipment. It's the same thing here. If you ever have the chance, go to a TV station or a sports mobile and see what the picture quality is like right out of the video switcher. The usual response is "that's NTSC? Wow!!" Then have a look at the off-air monitor after it's been through numerous stages of processing :-(

July 3rd, 2006, 01:18 PM	#53
Ruben Pla Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 80	Thank you, Edward. I'm outputting the whole thing through Sony DVDArchitect as 24P (except for the one scene which has to stay in DV form, because if I render that scene as 24P in Vegas, it loses definition.) I'd like to keep the whole project together and not have to bring the pieces to DVDA and try to cut and paste the DV scene in between the 24P scenes in Architect...if that's even possible to do. I'm not sure about that either. Any thoughts?

July 3rd, 2006, 03:33 PM	#55
Ruben Pla Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 80	I assume that "end action" means lining up the three segments in DVDA. Two questions: 1) Is there a specific way to do that? 2) Is there any way to eliminate that slight pause? Thank you, Edward. Ruben

July 3rd, 2006, 09:03 PM	#56
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Try inserting a playlist and see if that works. As for the end action, you just add the first one to the menu, add the other two to the project, and then set the "End Action" from one to the other as needed. However, that DOES create the pause which will vary between DVD players. Personally, I would probably render the whole thing to a single file accepting the known issues. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

July 4th, 2006, 02:08 AM	#57
Ian Briscoe Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Southport - UK Posts: 208	Pan/Crop and HDV Up to now I've always captured from HVR-Z1E is SD mode (in camera downconvert) but I now want to try and capture HD using Cineform. Presumably when using editiing on the timeline using the Cineform avi, you're editing at full HDV rsolution - 1440x1080 or wheever it is. You might then use pan/crop to reduce the picture size of an event (eg pip/etc); if you then render as standard mpeg2 (for DVDA) does it automatically reclaculate what the sizes of those cropped events should be as if they were for a 720x576 picture???? Thanx Ian

July 4th, 2006, 01:51 PM	#58
Mark Bryant Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Bath, England Posts: 119	Yes, essentially. I think basically it just rescales the frame. If you've zoomed it, cropped it, whatever, those are retained. It also means you can zoom in without quality loss (at SD) as you've got that extra resolution to play with.

July 4th, 2006, 03:07 PM	#59
Ian Briscoe Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Southport - UK Posts: 208	Cheers Mark Ian

July 5th, 2006, 12:41 AM	#60
Pete Peterson New Boot Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Vancouver Posts: 12	rendering help - maintaining original video settings what are the best render settings to maintain the exact same dimensions when i'm done editing? alot of times i'll be doing a video, and then after i render there will be letterboxes when i didn't want it or the image will be stretched. Do i change the project settings to match exactly the video? (ie 512/384 24 frames a second)(also, is it better to have the ratio to 1.00 or 0.9101?I played around with the stretch to avoid letterboxing setting thing but it's still sometimes hit and miss. Also, any ideas for the best way to handle several video files with different properties? I have at least 5 movie files i want to merge into one but when i render i'm afraid it will mess up as i can only make one setting for the end file? I am rendering to divx if that makes a difference. Thanks in advance.