Video "noise" in rendered files... at DVinfo.net

Bryan Cantwell · September 18th, 2009, 07:20 PM

I've been reading & reading and can't find anything that directly addresses a problem i seem to be having...

Rendering out .avi's in the Lagarith codec (& intelYUV) i'm seeing slight "noise" in the video that's not there at all in the original captured file... I see this in both HDV & DVCAM footage (Sony Z1U), and that's rendered separately from separate projects, I'm not mixing HDV & SD video...

Anyone have any ideas? I'm new to Vegas (use Avid at work), and all of these options are making me crazy! :)

Oh, I'm running Vegas Pro 9 on an Intel Core i7 920, 6 Gb DDR3 ram. Thanks!

Perrone Ford · September 18th, 2009, 07:27 PM

Can you post a screenshot of the source and the same frame of the rendered file?

Bryan Cantwell · September 18th, 2009, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perrone Ford

Can you post a screenshot of the source and the same frame of the rendered file?

I will when i get home, i work late nights...

Bryan Cantwell · September 18th, 2009, 11:01 PM

Alright, here's a screenshot straight out of Vegas, where i get shiny happy playback:

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...as_preview.jpg

I couldn't get a still that represented what i'm seeing in the render, but basically it looks like the grass is gained up really high, that kind of noise, if that makes sense... Even though it was shot with no gain...

(couldn't get the image to show in this post, just the link... is that the forum limiting me, or am i missing something?)

Perrone Ford · September 18th, 2009, 11:08 PM

If you go into file properties? What are your file settings? Size, interlacing, etc. Do they match th source footage? And when you render, what are the settings you use?

Bryan Cantwell · September 19th, 2009, 12:29 PM

properties are 720x480, field order: lower first (this is DVCAM video), pixel aspect 1.2121 (NTSC DV Widescreen), frame rate 29.97; full res - Best, pixel format 8 bit, motion blur is gaussian, and deinterlace is Interpolate. Adjust source media to match is also checked.

I also realized this morning that I left out what is probably a HUGE piece of information and probably "solves" the whole thing... The "noise" is showing up the most when burned and played back on dvd with an old version of Nero... I'm thinking i need to use a better compressor for burning... Could be a MAJOR "doh!" moment on my part!

Richard Hunter · September 19th, 2009, 10:20 PM

Hi Bryan. It would be a lot more helpful if you could post a frame that shows the noise. You can rip the VOB file from the DVD and put it on the Vegas timeline, then do a frame capture as before. Nero may give you conversion artifacts but I wouldn't have thought it would add noise unless you have adjusted something else as well. What bitrate did you use for the MPEG2 conversion?

Richard

Bryan Cantwell · September 20th, 2009, 05:39 PM

Alright, ripped the VOB back into Vegas, and this is what i get... The pic shows interlacing, though, so that might muck up what i'm talking about...

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2..._vegas_cut.jpg

Just can't seem to get a reasonable representation of what i'm seeing up here... ugh.

I didn't do the MPEG2 conversion, let the burning program do it automatically... which i'm thinking may be the problem...

Richard Hunter · September 21st, 2009, 04:28 AM

Hi Bryan. The first image is widescreen, but the second one has pillar bars which either means it has been squeezed into a 4:3 DVD project, or that the VOB file properties in Vegas are off.

I suggest you try using Vegas to render the file as a DVD-compliant MPEG2 which DVDA will accept without any recompression. Use a bitrate of 8Mbps CBR and you should get great results. Remember to set the aspect ratio to widescreen, both when you render from vegas and when you make the project in DVDA.

Use a short clip for the test and let us know how it goes.

Richard

Bryan Cantwell · September 25th, 2009, 10:43 PM

Hoping i've got this knocked... Did a reformat & reinstall of Windows 7 RC & Vegas/DVDA (various & sundry reasons...), burned a new test disc in DVDA & am just waiting on my brother & his gf to finish watching Amadeus so i can test in on the HD set...

Bryan Cantwell · September 26th, 2009, 01:39 AM

Okey dokey, 8 Mbps MPEG2 burned in DVDA at the 720x480 60i NTSC, looks great, no visible noise...

I *really* don't know why i was getting 4x3 before, both my project & burn settings were widescreen... But after reinstalling, it goes away... that's windows for ya...

September 18th, 2009, 07:20 PM	#1
Bryan Cantwell Major Player Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Terre Haute, IN Posts: 277	Video "noise" in rendered files... I've been reading & reading and can't find anything that directly addresses a problem i seem to be having... Rendering out .avi's in the Lagarith codec (& intelYUV) i'm seeing slight "noise" in the video that's not there at all in the original captured file... I see this in both HDV & DVCAM footage (Sony Z1U), and that's rendered separately from separate projects, I'm not mixing HDV & SD video... Anyone have any ideas? I'm new to Vegas (use Avid at work), and all of these options are making me crazy! :) Oh, I'm running Vegas Pro 9 on an Intel Core i7 920, 6 Gb DDR3 ram. Thanks!

September 18th, 2009, 07:27 PM	#2
Perrone Ford Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 4,100	Can you post a screenshot of the source and the same frame of the rendered file? __________________ DVX100, PMW-EX1, Canon 550D, FigRig, Dell Octocore, Avid MC4/5, MB Looks, RedCineX, Matrox MX02 mini, GTech RAID, Edirol R-4, Senn. G2 Evo, Countryman, Moles and Lowels.

September 18th, 2009, 11:08 PM	#5
Perrone Ford Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 4,100	If you go into file properties? What are your file settings? Size, interlacing, etc. Do they match th source footage? And when you render, what are the settings you use? __________________ DVX100, PMW-EX1, Canon 550D, FigRig, Dell Octocore, Avid MC4/5, MB Looks, RedCineX, Matrox MX02 mini, GTech RAID, Edirol R-4, Senn. G2 Evo, Countryman, Moles and Lowels.

September 19th, 2009, 12:29 PM	#6
Bryan Cantwell Major Player Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Terre Haute, IN Posts: 277	properties are 720x480, field order: lower first (this is DVCAM video), pixel aspect 1.2121 (NTSC DV Widescreen), frame rate 29.97; full res - Best, pixel format 8 bit, motion blur is gaussian, and deinterlace is Interpolate. Adjust source media to match is also checked. I also realized this morning that I left out what is probably a HUGE piece of information and probably "solves" the whole thing... The "noise" is showing up the most when burned and played back on dvd with an old version of Nero... I'm thinking i need to use a better compressor for burning... Could be a MAJOR "doh!" moment on my part! Last edited by Bryan Cantwell; September 19th, 2009 at 12:32 PM. Reason: added info to settings...

September 20th, 2009, 05:39 PM	#8
Bryan Cantwell Major Player Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Terre Haute, IN Posts: 277	Alright, ripped the VOB back into Vegas, and this is what i get... The pic shows interlacing, though, so that might muck up what i'm talking about... http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2..._vegas_cut.jpg Just can't seem to get a reasonable representation of what i'm seeing up here... ugh. I didn't do the MPEG2 conversion, let the burning program do it automatically... which i'm thinking may be the problem... Last edited by Bryan Cantwell; September 20th, 2009 at 07:34 PM. Reason: added more info...

September 18th, 2009, 11:01 PM	#4
Bryan Cantwell Major Player Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Terre Haute, IN Posts: 277	Alright, here's a screenshot straight out of Vegas, where i get shiny happy playback: http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...as_preview.jpg I couldn't get a still that represented what i'm seeing in the render, but basically it looks like the grass is gained up really high, that kind of noise, if that makes sense... Even though it was shot with no gain... (couldn't get the image to show in this post, just the link... is that the forum limiting me, or am i missing something?)

September 19th, 2009, 10:20 PM	#7
Richard Hunter Trustee Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lipa City Batangas, Philippines Posts: 1,110	Hi Bryan. It would be a lot more helpful if you could post a frame that shows the noise. You can rip the VOB file from the DVD and put it on the Vegas timeline, then do a frame capture as before. Nero may give you conversion artifacts but I wouldn't have thought it would add noise unless you have adjusted something else as well. What bitrate did you use for the MPEG2 conversion? Richard

September 21st, 2009, 04:28 AM	#9
Richard Hunter Trustee Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lipa City Batangas, Philippines Posts: 1,110	Hi Bryan. The first image is widescreen, but the second one has pillar bars which either means it has been squeezed into a 4:3 DVD project, or that the VOB file properties in Vegas are off. I suggest you try using Vegas to render the file as a DVD-compliant MPEG2 which DVDA will accept without any recompression. Use a bitrate of 8Mbps CBR and you should get great results. Remember to set the aspect ratio to widescreen, both when you render from vegas and when you make the project in DVDA. Use a short clip for the test and let us know how it goes. Richard

September 25th, 2009, 10:43 PM	#10
Bryan Cantwell Major Player Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Terre Haute, IN Posts: 277	Hoping i've got this knocked... Did a reformat & reinstall of Windows 7 RC & Vegas/DVDA (various & sundry reasons...), burned a new test disc in DVDA & am just waiting on my brother & his gf to finish watching Amadeus so i can test in on the HD set...

September 26th, 2009, 01:39 AM	#11
Bryan Cantwell Major Player Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Terre Haute, IN Posts: 277	Okey dokey, 8 Mbps MPEG2 burned in DVDA at the 720x480 60i NTSC, looks great, no visible noise... I really don't know why i was getting 4x3 before, both my project & burn settings were widescreen... But after reinstalling, it goes away... that's windows for ya...