Vegas Video discussions from 2005 (Q3Q4)

Jim Montgomery · August 16th, 2005, 02:33 PM

And worth every nickel. I do 5 camera editing and would be lost with out it.

Jim

Kevin Red · August 16th, 2005, 02:52 PM

I used a panny dv-953
capture to vegas using firewire
playback through MWP and a dvd program, same thing.
Can't see the line while editing.

Danny Santos · August 16th, 2005, 05:15 PM

Most likely this question has been asked before and I apologize but I need some comfort feeling to know if I am doing it right.

So I download to my PC from my camera and have numerous .avi files.
I edit these .avi files and create an mpg2 file. However, on some occasion, I need to make changes or improvement so I go back to my edited mpg2 file and reedit and again create a new mpg2 file.

Is this a good practice OR should I go back to the original .veg file with the .avi files and create a new mpg2?

Thanks.

Andy Shrimpton · August 16th, 2005, 05:46 PM

Danny,

You should go back to the original Veg file.

The AVI when rendered to Mpeg2 gets compressed at a rate of about 3 to 1. If you rerender the Mpeg you get further quality loss.

Cheers,

Andy

Edward Troxel · August 16th, 2005, 06:56 PM

You definitely do not want to re-edit the MPEG2 file. Always go back to the original AVI files.

Dylan Couper · August 16th, 2005, 08:07 PM

Beauty. Thanks guys!

Tony Rockliff · August 16th, 2005, 08:59 PM

One thing I find myself doing more and more recently is if I have finished rendering a project and then find I want to make a change or changes, instead of re-editing it and having to then re-render the whole thing (many hours), I edit and re-render just the section(s) that I want to change and then open the original mpeg and the new short renders in MPEG Video Wizard.

I then replace the old sections with the new and save the new composite with no re-rendering. It saves many hours of time and results in a fixed movie that has not been degraded by any re-rendering.

Ryan Baker · August 17th, 2005, 06:32 AM

Any bundles out there including Ultimate S 2?

I'm not questioning the usefulness of the tool. I'm just asking if it's included in any bundles.

Douglas Spotted Eagle · August 17th, 2005, 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan Baker

Any bundles out there including Ultimate S 2?

I'm not questioning the usefulness of the tool. I'm just asking if it's included in any bundles.

Hello Ryan,
VASST does have a bundle deal where if you purchase all GrafPaks and all the ReelPaks, you save 10% on the package, it's automatic when you add all those items to the cart.

Ryan Baker · August 17th, 2005, 07:26 AM

DSE, thanks for the info.

Chris Hurd · August 17th, 2005, 10:25 PM

Folks, looking for opinions... is it time for us to fire up a dedicated "Vegas for HDV" forum?

Michael Liebergot · August 18th, 2005, 06:26 AM

I have had issues lately trying to use Video with Pan Crop in Vegas 6b.
Whenever I try to crop in on video shot with my VX2100 using Pan Crop to a video clip, I get wavy lines going across the video.

I have color correction and color curves applied to the clips and my settings for the project are standard NTSC 4:3 29.95 Template with Interlace field set to lower and set to blend.

When I try to do the same thing using Track motion, the video is fine, with no noise in the image.

I have used Pan Crop for pictures with no issues at all.

Is Pan Crop best suited for pictures and Track Motion best suited for Video?

Thanks for the help,
Michael
LVProductions

Edward Troxel · August 18th, 2005, 08:43 AM

Well... I DO know the two work differently. For example, when zooming in on a photo, if you zoom using Pan/Crop you use the full resolution of the photo but zoom using Track Motion and you zoom in on the video frame. Now given that both sources should be the same when zooming on Video, you would think they would be VERY similar.

Michael Liebergot · August 18th, 2005, 08:59 AM

"Now given that both sources should be the same when zooming on Video, you would think they would be VERY similar."

you would think so, but they deffinitely display and encode different. I was reading on the Sony Vegas forum that I should have interlaced vide set to either interpolate or blend in the project properties and the event properties, as since Vegas gives you the option now to select you deinterlace method, the it defaults it to none, which desn't work well with interlaced video (which would be for progressive 24P video I assume).

I changed the project properties to blend, but haven't had a chance to check my event properties, to see if that is the cause of the problem. If I can't fix the problem in Pan Crop then I am still able to use Track Motion, but I find it more time consuming to do so.

Bill Binder · August 18th, 2005, 09:32 AM

I had this same problem when trying to create a 4:3 letterboxed version of some GS400 footage I shot in 16:9 mode. I think the problem has to do with the fact that we/you are resizing the video image in a way that creates problems when lining up the two interlaced fields per frame after each field has been resized (probably wouldn't happen if the resize was perfectly half if you see what I mean). Anyway, it's not ideal, but you are on the right track. If it is happening for your whole project (like in my case because I was letterboxing to 4:3), then leave Lower Field First set as is but change deinterlace to blend in the project settings. If you are just having issues with specific events, then leave lower field first and set to blend in the event properties. Reduce interlace flicker also helps. That should fix the waves.

August 16th, 2005, 05:15 PM	#333
Danny Santos Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Antioch, CA USA Posts: 49	What's the best way to edit? Most likely this question has been asked before and I apologize but I need some comfort feeling to know if I am doing it right. So I download to my PC from my camera and have numerous .avi files. I edit these .avi files and create an mpg2 file. However, on some occasion, I need to make changes or improvement so I go back to my edited mpg2 file and reedit and again create a new mpg2 file. Is this a good practice OR should I go back to the original .veg file with the .avi files and create a new mpg2? Thanks.

August 16th, 2005, 05:46 PM	#334
Andy Shrimpton Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Robina Queensland Australia Posts: 73	Danny, You should go back to the original Veg file. The AVI when rendered to Mpeg2 gets compressed at a rate of about 3 to 1. If you rerender the Mpeg you get further quality loss. Cheers, Andy __________________ 'This one goes to eleven' Nigel Tufnell

August 16th, 2005, 06:56 PM	#335
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	You definitely do not want to re-edit the MPEG2 file. Always go back to the original AVI files. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

August 16th, 2005, 08:07 PM	#336
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	Beauty. Thanks guys! __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

August 17th, 2005, 10:25 PM	#341
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Vegas and HDV, Take Two Folks, looking for opinions... is it time for us to fire up a dedicated "Vegas for HDV" forum? __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

August 16th, 2005, 02:33 PM	#331
Jim Montgomery Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Vero Beach Posts: 392	And worth every nickel. I do 5 camera editing and would be lost with out it. Jim

August 16th, 2005, 02:52 PM	#332
Kevin Red Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 103	I used a panny dv-953 capture to vegas using firewire playback through MWP and a dvd program, same thing. Can't see the line while editing.

August 16th, 2005, 08:59 PM	#337
Tony Rockliff Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dunedin, Florida Posts: 70	One thing I find myself doing more and more recently is if I have finished rendering a project and then find I want to make a change or changes, instead of re-editing it and having to then re-render the whole thing (many hours), I edit and re-render just the section(s) that I want to change and then open the original mpeg and the new short renders in MPEG Video Wizard. I then replace the old sections with the new and save the new composite with no re-rendering. It saves many hours of time and results in a fixed movie that has not been degraded by any re-rendering.

August 17th, 2005, 06:32 AM	#338
Ryan Baker New Boot Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Independence, MO Posts: 24	Any bundles out there including Ultimate S 2? I'm not questioning the usefulness of the tool. I'm just asking if it's included in any bundles.

August 17th, 2005, 07:26 AM	#340
Ryan Baker New Boot Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Independence, MO Posts: 24	DSE, thanks for the info.

August 18th, 2005, 06:26 AM	#342
Michael Liebergot Trustee Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,505	Problem using video with Pan Crop in Vegas 6b I have had issues lately trying to use Video with Pan Crop in Vegas 6b. Whenever I try to crop in on video shot with my VX2100 using Pan Crop to a video clip, I get wavy lines going across the video. I have color correction and color curves applied to the clips and my settings for the project are standard NTSC 4:3 29.95 Template with Interlace field set to lower and set to blend. When I try to do the same thing using Track motion, the video is fine, with no noise in the image. I have used Pan Crop for pictures with no issues at all. Is Pan Crop best suited for pictures and Track Motion best suited for Video? Thanks for the help, Michael LVProductions

August 18th, 2005, 08:43 AM	#343
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Well... I DO know the two work differently. For example, when zooming in on a photo, if you zoom using Pan/Crop you use the full resolution of the photo but zoom using Track Motion and you zoom in on the video frame. Now given that both sources should be the same when zooming on Video, you would think they would be VERY similar. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

August 18th, 2005, 08:59 AM	#344
Michael Liebergot Trustee Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,505	"Now given that both sources should be the same when zooming on Video, you would think they would be VERY similar." you would think so, but they deffinitely display and encode different. I was reading on the Sony Vegas forum that I should have interlaced vide set to either interpolate or blend in the project properties and the event properties, as since Vegas gives you the option now to select you deinterlace method, the it defaults it to none, which desn't work well with interlaced video (which would be for progressive 24P video I assume). I changed the project properties to blend, but haven't had a chance to check my event properties, to see if that is the cause of the problem. If I can't fix the problem in Pan Crop then I am still able to use Track Motion, but I find it more time consuming to do so.

August 18th, 2005, 09:32 AM	#345
Bill Binder Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 542	I had this same problem when trying to create a 4:3 letterboxed version of some GS400 footage I shot in 16:9 mode. I think the problem has to do with the fact that we/you are resizing the video image in a way that creates problems when lining up the two interlaced fields per frame after each field has been resized (probably wouldn't happen if the resize was perfectly half if you see what I mean). Anyway, it's not ideal, but you are on the right track. If it is happening for your whole project (like in my case because I was letterboxing to 4:3), then leave Lower Field First set as is but change deinterlace to blend in the project settings. If you are just having issues with specific events, then leave lower field first and set to blend in the event properties. Reduce interlace flicker also helps. That should fix the waves.