My Wish List for Vegas 6 at DVinfo.net

Van Lam · February 26th, 2005, 11:06 PM

Seeing as how Acid and Sound Forge have all been updated, it's safe to assume that Vegas 5.5/6 should be the next app coming out of Sony's gates (Plus the timeframe is about right, give or take a few months). Vegas is great as it is, but here are some things I'm really wishing for in the next version:

- Nested Timelines (or something similar, nestable Veg Files)
- Track Motion Presets (What happened to these anyway?)
- More Cusomizable interface (Like the option to make the window darker, a la Adobe After Effects & Premiere)
- Support for After Effects Filters (Yeah, I know you can if you buy Boris, but having it intergrated would be nice, like Final Cut Pro)
- Preview Window Resizing (Instead of snapping to certain percentages (like right now), having the ability to have the video scale to what ever size you want (like in Final Cut and Premiere)
- Star Wipe Transition (I'm serious! I actually needed one a few months ago, and had to make my own with a mask)

Also, for DVD Architect:
- Intergrated Menu Transitions (Even if they were really simple ones (fades, wipes, etc), it would be a great time saver as oppose to having to created an intermediate menu trasition video in a motion graphic app, or vegas)
- Dual Layer support would be cool

Any ideas from you guys?

PS:
http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.co...suggestion.asp

Edward Troxel · February 27th, 2005, 06:29 AM

- More Cusomizable interface (Like the option to make the window darker, a la Adobe After Effects & Premiere)

You already have this. Vegas supports XP "themes" allowing you to create many different looks for Vegas including "darker" ones.

- Star Wipe Transition (I'm serious! I actually needed one a few months ago, and had to make my own with a mask)

There ARE a couple of options related to this. For a bunch of the old-style "cheesy" transitions, you might want to check out Adorage. For a ton of transition flexibility, you might want to check out Pixelan.

Definitely send in suggestions. If they don't hear from the user's they don't what's most important to *us*.

Barry Lajnwand · February 27th, 2005, 10:49 AM

DVD Architect

1. Transitions (even if simple, like you mentioned,) are a must.
2. DL support is also a must.
3. Support for multiple video angles.
4. Support for more than one video file per video track.
5. Ability to export menu's and/or menu text as .PNG files for masks (I know this can be done in Vegas, but why shouldn't I be able to do this in the actual DVD authoring program).
6. Hook up with Cinema Craft or Canopus and include CCE SP or Procoder as the internal video encoder instead of the current encoder.
7. More button highlight options. The options right now are so simple. I want absolute craziness like "earthquake" to make the button shake when it is highlighted and stuff like that. I want to be able to do everything the big boys can do (well, everything except master the learning curve for Scenarist and pay for it).
8. More maneuvarability between links. Feel free to give me suggestions, but if I want button 3 to link to button 14 when the user hits the "up" button, then that is my decision. Never tell the customer what they want. JUst provide the help to make it happen.
9. More themes. Not five or ten more. Give me a couple dozen for all kinds of situations. And give me at least three for the big occasions (birthdays, weddings, etc.)
10. Do not change the interface. It is so intuitive, considering it is a semi-pro DVD authoring program. Add features, but do not mess with the GUI.

Aaron Koolen · February 27th, 2005, 11:45 AM

I would like to see

- Proper, scrubbing without affecting events. i.e. Click and drag on the timeline to scrub. They half implemented it, so you click once then click again on the timeline cursor and you can do it, but it's cumbersome to the point of being almost unusable.

- Some sort of decent media management.

Emre Safak · February 27th, 2005, 02:59 PM

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Support for After Effects Filters

Seconded! This is a matter of the utmost urgence; Vegas badly needs plug-in support.

I would also like better color correction tools (like Color Finesse... oh wait, it is an After Effects plug-in!) and the ability to output 5.1 sound tracks to separate WAV files.

Glenn Chan · February 27th, 2005, 03:08 PM

I'd like to see motion tracking and the ability for it to track masks. This would be really useful for color correction, as you could isolate the color correction to one area even on panning shots.

Color Finesse: It's nice, but Vegas can do the same things. Vegas can also do things Color Finesse itself can't do.

Van Lam · February 27th, 2005, 03:49 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Edward Troxel : - More Cusomizable interface (Like the option to make the window darker, a la Adobe After Effects & Premiere)

You already have this. Vegas supports XP "themes" allowing you to create many different looks for Vegas including "darker" ones. -->>>

I realise this, but my point is to have an option to do it without effecting Windows on a global level

Kelvin Kelm · February 27th, 2005, 04:16 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Barry Lajnwand : DVD Architect

8. More maneuvarability between links. Feel free to give me suggestions, but if I want button 3 to link to button 14 when the user hits the "up" button, then that is my decision. Never tell the customer what they want. JUst provide the help to make it happen. -->>>

DVD Architect can already do this. It is in the Menu Properties box under Button Properties / Navigation. From each button you can specify where the menu goes with each of the Up/Down/Left/Right buttons.

Emre Safak · February 27th, 2005, 04:21 PM

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It's nice, but Vegas can do the same things.

Like perform corrections in HSL, CMY and YCbCr? What about automated color matching? I guess I am spoilt by Photoshop CS.

I also hate how Vegas' filters have no opacity setting. Instead, you have to filter a duplicate layer, and reduce its opacity. When you have a chain of filters, this is impractical.

Barry Lajnwand · February 27th, 2005, 04:25 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Kelvin Kelm : <<<-- Originally posted by Barry Lajnwand : DVD Architect

8. More maneuvarability between links. Feel free to give me suggestions, but if I want button 3 to link to button 14 when the user hits the "up" button, then that is my decision. Never tell the customer what they want. JUst provide the help to make it happen. -->>>

DVD Architect can already do this. It is in the Menu Properties box under Button Properties / Navigation. From each button you can specify where the menu goes with each of the Up/Down/Left/Right buttons. -->>>

For the most part that is correct, but I have run into several situations where DVDA will not allow me to do this. Essentially, the program forces what will be highlighted when the user moves left, right, up, down. I'm not sure if it is a program bug, but it needs to be corrected.

Edward Troxel · February 27th, 2005, 08:58 PM

For the most part that is correct, but I have run into several situations where DVDA will not allow me to do this. Essentially, the program forces what will be highlighted when the user moves left, right, up, down. I'm not sure if it is a program bug, but it needs to be corrected.

I have never run into a situation where I could not specify which button pressing an arrow should go to. Can you give me a list of steps to reproduce?

Barry Lajnwand · February 27th, 2005, 09:08 PM

Sorry, I didn't really keep tabs of the how and the when. Just dealt with it as it came. Only happened with three or four menus I could remember.

Essentially, DVDA wouldn't allow me to change the preset destination action for a particular button one direction (or perhaps two). I assumed that this was the case because of the location of the buttons.

Glenn Chan · February 27th, 2005, 11:51 PM

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Like perform corrections in HSL, CMY and YCbCr? What about automated color matching?

Do you ever find those things useful though?

Some of the things Color Finesse does would take a lot of button pushing in Vegas to duplicate. It looks like Vegas could do all of the things that Color Finesse can do. The only exception I guess would be cases where you want to do something extreme... look take saturation down -100 in color finesse. I don't ever see that being useful though.

James Connors · February 28th, 2005, 08:10 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Van Lam :

- Star Wipe Transition (I'm serious! I actually needed one a few months ago, and had to make my own with a mask)

-->>>

Heh, isn't it Homer (Simpson) who loves the star wipe transition? If that isn't a reason to include one, I don't know what is!

I'd love to do a serious film and only use star wipes :D

Emre Safak · February 28th, 2005, 12:56 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Glenn Chan : Do you ever find those things useful though?-->>>
I guess it boils down to whether or not you use color as a creative element. If you merely want to white balance, then Vegas can do it. If you want to get fancy, Color Finesse beckons.

February 26th, 2005, 11:06 PM	#1
Van Lam Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Marin, CA Posts: 35	My Wish List for Vegas 6 Seeing as how Acid and Sound Forge have all been updated, it's safe to assume that Vegas 5.5/6 should be the next app coming out of Sony's gates (Plus the timeframe is about right, give or take a few months). Vegas is great as it is, but here are some things I'm really wishing for in the next version: - Nested Timelines (or something similar, nestable Veg Files) - Track Motion Presets (What happened to these anyway?) - More Cusomizable interface (Like the option to make the window darker, a la Adobe After Effects & Premiere) - Support for After Effects Filters (Yeah, I know you can if you buy Boris, but having it intergrated would be nice, like Final Cut Pro) - Preview Window Resizing (Instead of snapping to certain percentages (like right now), having the ability to have the video scale to what ever size you want (like in Final Cut and Premiere) - Star Wipe Transition (I'm serious! I actually needed one a few months ago, and had to make my own with a mask) Also, for DVD Architect: - Intergrated Menu Transitions (Even if they were really simple ones (fades, wipes, etc), it would be a great time saver as oppose to having to created an intermediate menu trasition video in a motion graphic app, or vegas) - Dual Layer support would be cool Any ideas from you guys? PS: http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.co...suggestion.asp

February 27th, 2005, 06:29 AM	#2
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	- More Cusomizable interface (Like the option to make the window darker, a la Adobe After Effects & Premiere) You already have this. Vegas supports XP "themes" allowing you to create many different looks for Vegas including "darker" ones. - Star Wipe Transition (I'm serious! I actually needed one a few months ago, and had to make my own with a mask) There ARE a couple of options related to this. For a bunch of the old-style "cheesy" transitions, you might want to check out Adorage. For a ton of transition flexibility, you might want to check out Pixelan. Definitely send in suggestions. If they don't hear from the user's they don't what's most important to us. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

February 27th, 2005, 11:45 AM	#4
Aaron Koolen Trustee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 1,727	I would like to see - Proper, scrubbing without affecting events. i.e. Click and drag on the timeline to scrub. They half implemented it, so you click once then click again on the timeline cursor and you can do it, but it's cumbersome to the point of being almost unusable. - Some sort of decent media management. __________________ My Website Meat Free Media

February 27th, 2005, 08:58 PM	#11
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	For the most part that is correct, but I have run into several situations where DVDA will not allow me to do this. Essentially, the program forces what will be highlighted when the user moves left, right, up, down. I'm not sure if it is a program bug, but it needs to be corrected. I have never run into a situation where I could not specify which button pressing an arrow should go to. Can you give me a list of steps to reproduce? __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

February 28th, 2005, 08:10 AM	#14
James Connors Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cardiff, UK Posts: 223	Re: My Wish List for Vegas 6 <<<-- Originally posted by Van Lam : - Star Wipe Transition (I'm serious! I actually needed one a few months ago, and had to make my own with a mask) -->>> Heh, isn't it Homer (Simpson) who loves the star wipe transition? If that isn't a reason to include one, I don't know what is! I'd love to do a serious film and only use star wipes :D

February 27th, 2005, 10:49 AM	#3
Barry Lajnwand Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 41	DVD Architect 1. Transitions (even if simple, like you mentioned,) are a must. 2. DL support is also a must. 3. Support for multiple video angles. 4. Support for more than one video file per video track. 5. Ability to export menu's and/or menu text as .PNG files for masks (I know this can be done in Vegas, but why shouldn't I be able to do this in the actual DVD authoring program). 6. Hook up with Cinema Craft or Canopus and include CCE SP or Procoder as the internal video encoder instead of the current encoder. 7. More button highlight options. The options right now are so simple. I want absolute craziness like "earthquake" to make the button shake when it is highlighted and stuff like that. I want to be able to do everything the big boys can do (well, everything except master the learning curve for Scenarist and pay for it). 8. More maneuvarability between links. Feel free to give me suggestions, but if I want button 3 to link to button 14 when the user hits the "up" button, then that is my decision. Never tell the customer what they want. JUst provide the help to make it happen. 9. More themes. Not five or ten more. Give me a couple dozen for all kinds of situations. And give me at least three for the big occasions (birthdays, weddings, etc.) 10. Do not change the interface. It is so intuitive, considering it is a semi-pro DVD authoring program. Add features, but do not mess with the GUI.

February 27th, 2005, 03:08 PM	#6
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	I'd like to see motion tracking and the ability for it to track masks. This would be really useful for color correction, as you could isolate the color correction to one area even on panning shots. Color Finesse: It's nice, but Vegas can do the same things. Vegas can also do things Color Finesse itself can't do.

February 27th, 2005, 03:49 PM	#7
Van Lam Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Marin, CA Posts: 35	<<<-- Originally posted by Edward Troxel : - More Cusomizable interface (Like the option to make the window darker, a la Adobe After Effects & Premiere) You already have this. Vegas supports XP "themes" allowing you to create many different looks for Vegas including "darker" ones. -->>> I realise this, but my point is to have an option to do it without effecting Windows on a global level

February 27th, 2005, 04:16 PM	#8
Kelvin Kelm Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Katy, Texas Posts: 49	<<<-- Originally posted by Barry Lajnwand : DVD Architect 8. More maneuvarability between links. Feel free to give me suggestions, but if I want button 3 to link to button 14 when the user hits the "up" button, then that is my decision. Never tell the customer what they want. JUst provide the help to make it happen. -->>> DVD Architect can already do this. It is in the Menu Properties box under Button Properties / Navigation. From each button you can specify where the menu goes with each of the Up/Down/Left/Right buttons.

February 27th, 2005, 04:25 PM	#10
Barry Lajnwand Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 41	<<<-- Originally posted by Kelvin Kelm : <<<-- Originally posted by Barry Lajnwand : DVD Architect 8. More maneuvarability between links. Feel free to give me suggestions, but if I want button 3 to link to button 14 when the user hits the "up" button, then that is my decision. Never tell the customer what they want. JUst provide the help to make it happen. -->>> DVD Architect can already do this. It is in the Menu Properties box under Button Properties / Navigation. From each button you can specify where the menu goes with each of the Up/Down/Left/Right buttons. -->>> For the most part that is correct, but I have run into several situations where DVDA will not allow me to do this. Essentially, the program forces what will be highlighted when the user moves left, right, up, down. I'm not sure if it is a program bug, but it needs to be corrected.

February 27th, 2005, 09:08 PM	#12
Barry Lajnwand Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 41	Sorry, I didn't really keep tabs of the how and the when. Just dealt with it as it came. Only happened with three or four menus I could remember. Essentially, DVDA wouldn't allow me to change the preset destination action for a particular button one direction (or perhaps two). I assumed that this was the case because of the location of the buttons.

February 28th, 2005, 12:56 PM	#15
Emre Safak Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,447	<<<-- Originally posted by Glenn Chan : Do you ever find those things useful though?-->>> I guess it boils down to whether or not you use color as a creative element. If you merely want to white balance, then Vegas can do it. If you want to get fancy, Color Finesse beckons.