Vegas Video discussions from 2005 (Q1Q2)

Dan Euritt · April 29th, 2005, 12:01 PM

that sounds like a rendering nightmare, and it could only degrade the picture quality... the object is to do least amount of rendering possible.

there must be something wrong with your source footage, to make you want to do that? maybe take a raw freeze frame of your source, then post it so we can see how bad the overscan area is(?)

Jim Montgomery · April 29th, 2005, 12:31 PM

Just downloaded Ultimate S from the VAAST site and had a question about photo montage.

Does Montage time the video to the music video based on the Ruler Properties settings or does it just "know".

Thanks for the help

Jim

Edward Troxel · April 29th, 2005, 12:32 PM

I never open it except for TWO circumstances:

1) To test an older version of a script
2) To answer a question someone has asked and THEY are still on Vegas 4 so I need to confirm if a feature was actually IN Vegas 4 or was added later.

Edward Troxel · April 29th, 2005, 12:33 PM

One codec not on your list is MJPEG. That's the format used by many still cameras.

Edward Troxel · April 29th, 2005, 12:35 PM

There should only be ONE firewire jack on the camera. Plug it in the same place you do for capture.

Can you print to tape with this camera? Is there a menu setting that has to be changed to allow firewire INPUT?

Keith Loh · April 29th, 2005, 12:40 PM

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Kelvin Kelm · April 29th, 2005, 01:12 PM

I had the same problems with avi's created by digital still cameras using the MJPEG codec until I installed an MJPEG codec.

Imran Zaidi · April 29th, 2005, 01:19 PM

Yes it "knows" what to do. Drop the music into an audio track and drop the images into their track, let it know which is the audio track per the instructions, select the transitions, and voila, insta-montage!

I'm not at my Vegas machine right now so I can't remember the exact instructions, but it's a very intuitive process.

Everard Wijdeveld · April 29th, 2005, 02:31 PM

It looks to me that I am only shrinking the video image a little, that way nothing is cut off during TV overscan. I am right?

Edward Troxel · April 29th, 2005, 02:38 PM

Making it smaller to not cut off the overscan is NOT desirable. If you then render to a web format, it will be too small to fit the full screen. Just make sure to shoot FOR the safe areas.

You can turn on the safe area overlay - it looks like a # above the preview screen. The outside line is your "Action" safe area. The inside line is your "Title" safe area.

Shoot for that and don't try to make the video "smaller" to fit your TV. Besides, what fits your TV may be too small on my TV. Then again, it may need to be even SMALLER to fit on another TV (I have on at home that cuts off titles on several channels). So which one would you render for? As has been mentioned, they're ALL different.

My advice, don't shrink the image!

Jim Montgomery · April 29th, 2005, 02:43 PM

Oh, this is to good to be true........

Everard Wijdeveld · April 29th, 2005, 03:00 PM

Thanks for your replies

To me it looks that in the worse case senario (on any TV) you will notice a very small black frame around the video image. I feel that this is acceptable, as long as the picture still is of high quality. Am I wrong? The small trials look quite good, on my vegas preview screen it is just filling the outer safe area.

I agree, I have to shoot in a wider angle and a little further away to avoid too much close-ups.

Thanks
Everard

Aaron Koolen · April 29th, 2005, 04:50 PM

Everard

a) No, I don't think you're doing the right thing, unless you've already shot and you ABSOLUTELY, MUST, WITHOUT A DOUBT see something in the frame that's current cut off cause of tv overscan.

b) Yes. Either shoot normal and make sure you allow for the underscan portion when shooting so you dno't put important elements in that area. You can, if you must PAN using Vegas, sort of like a small PAN and scan. That will save image quality and should get most of what you want.

c) Yes, cause you're scaled the frame.

d) Don't think so.

Greeting also from New Zealand :)
Aaron

Plamen Petrov · April 29th, 2005, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Troxel

There should only be ONE firewire jack on the camera. Plug it in the same place you do for capture.

Can you print to tape with this camera? Is there a menu setting that has to be changed to allow firewire INPUT?

My miniDV camera is JVC GR DVL520A and it is better than many other cameras in this class, really. In the manual is written that I can connect another videocam to my videocam so that the 1st acts as DV OUT and the 2nd /my dvcam/ is DV IN. This means that my dvcam CAN be used as a monitor. It has S-VIDEO jack, i.e. there wouldn't be any problem to send the video signal to TV. I have not tried to use my DVcam for tape printing yet.
So, it seems that I am doing all the rules, but still nothing... Any suggestions more?

Jim Montgomery · April 29th, 2005, 07:18 PM

Oh poop.

I was hoping that Photo Montage would adjust my video clips to start and stop on the beat of the music.

I knew it was to good to be true. Are there any solutions out there to mark an audio timeline/sample/clip with beats, for those of us musically handicapped?

Jim

April 29th, 2005, 12:31 PM	#1397
Jim Montgomery Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Vero Beach Posts: 392	Ultimate S and Photo Montage Just downloaded Ultimate S from the VAAST site and had a question about photo montage. Does Montage time the video to the music video based on the Ruler Properties settings or does it just "know". Thanks for the help Jim

April 29th, 2005, 12:32 PM	#1398
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I never open it except for TWO circumstances: 1) To test an older version of a script 2) To answer a question someone has asked and THEY are still on Vegas 4 so I need to confirm if a feature was actually IN Vegas 4 or was added later. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

April 29th, 2005, 12:33 PM	#1399
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	One codec not on your list is MJPEG. That's the format used by many still cameras. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

April 29th, 2005, 12:35 PM	#1400
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	There should only be ONE firewire jack on the camera. Plug it in the same place you do for capture. Can you print to tape with this camera? Is there a menu setting that has to be changed to allow firewire INPUT? __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

April 29th, 2005, 12:40 PM	#1401
Keith Loh Air China Pilot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 2,389	http://www.headbands.com/gspot/download.html __________________ -- Visit http://www.KeithLoh.com \| stuff about living in Vancouver \| My Flickr photo gallery

April 29th, 2005, 12:01 PM	#1396
Dan Euritt Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Carlsbad CA Posts: 1,132	that sounds like a rendering nightmare, and it could only degrade the picture quality... the object is to do least amount of rendering possible. there must be something wrong with your source footage, to make you want to do that? maybe take a raw freeze frame of your source, then post it so we can see how bad the overscan area is(?)

April 29th, 2005, 01:12 PM	#1402
Kelvin Kelm Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Katy, Texas Posts: 49	I had the same problems with avi's created by digital still cameras using the MJPEG codec until I installed an MJPEG codec.

April 29th, 2005, 01:19 PM	#1403
Imran Zaidi Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 1,315	Yes it "knows" what to do. Drop the music into an audio track and drop the images into their track, let it know which is the audio track per the instructions, select the transitions, and voila, insta-montage! I'm not at my Vegas machine right now so I can't remember the exact instructions, but it's a very intuitive process.

April 29th, 2005, 02:31 PM	#1404
Everard Wijdeveld Tourist Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3	It looks to me that I am only shrinking the video image a little, that way nothing is cut off during TV overscan. I am right?

April 29th, 2005, 02:38 PM	#1405
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Making it smaller to not cut off the overscan is NOT desirable. If you then render to a web format, it will be too small to fit the full screen. Just make sure to shoot FOR the safe areas. You can turn on the safe area overlay - it looks like a # above the preview screen. The outside line is your "Action" safe area. The inside line is your "Title" safe area. Shoot for that and don't try to make the video "smaller" to fit your TV. Besides, what fits your TV may be too small on my TV. Then again, it may need to be even SMALLER to fit on another TV (I have on at home that cuts off titles on several channels). So which one would you render for? As has been mentioned, they're ALL different. My advice, don't shrink the image! __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

April 29th, 2005, 02:43 PM	#1406
Jim Montgomery Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Vero Beach Posts: 392	Oh, this is to good to be true........

April 29th, 2005, 03:00 PM	#1407
Everard Wijdeveld Tourist Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3	Thanks for your replies To me it looks that in the worse case senario (on any TV) you will notice a very small black frame around the video image. I feel that this is acceptable, as long as the picture still is of high quality. Am I wrong? The small trials look quite good, on my vegas preview screen it is just filling the outer safe area. I agree, I have to shoot in a wider angle and a little further away to avoid too much close-ups. Thanks Everard

April 29th, 2005, 04:50 PM	#1408
Aaron Koolen Trustee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 1,727	Everard a) No, I don't think you're doing the right thing, unless you've already shot and you ABSOLUTELY, MUST, WITHOUT A DOUBT see something in the frame that's current cut off cause of tv overscan. b) Yes. Either shoot normal and make sure you allow for the underscan portion when shooting so you dno't put important elements in that area. You can, if you must PAN using Vegas, sort of like a small PAN and scan. That will save image quality and should get most of what you want. c) Yes, cause you're scaled the frame. d) Don't think so. Greeting also from New Zealand :) Aaron __________________ My Website Meat Free Media

April 29th, 2005, 07:18 PM	#1410
Jim Montgomery Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Vero Beach Posts: 392	Oh poop. I was hoping that Photo Montage would adjust my video clips to start and stop on the beat of the music. I knew it was to good to be true. Are there any solutions out there to mark an audio timeline/sample/clip with beats, for those of us musically handicapped? Jim