Vegas Video discussions from 2005 (Q1Q2)

Kevin James · January 5th, 2005, 10:24 PM

When I use the pan crop tool my crop guide disappears and I can't seem to get it back. This usually happens when skipping around a clip. I solved this once before but have since forgotten how and the hlp file didn't provide me with a solution.

Also, after importing and trimming in the timeline an audio file I am not able to insert and volume envelope. No option appears in the right click menu. This hasn't happened before.

Any help wold be appreciated. Thanks!

Kevin James · January 5th, 2005, 10:27 PM

I'm pretty sure I want to go Athlon 64. Possibly Dual. I'm having trouble finding motherboards that will support Dual 64's though. Would it be major overkill to go dual 64's? I'm thinking around 2-4gb Ram, pair of 300gb sata's (to start).

This system is going to be purely for vegas. Any input would be greatly appreciated!

Glenn Chan · January 5th, 2005, 10:32 PM

1- Which filters are you using for color correction?
2- What format is your project and source footage? (i.e. NTSC DV)
3- Are you rendering in "good" quality?

Glenn Chan · January 5th, 2005, 10:41 PM

Would it be major overkill to go dual 64's?
Check the dual processor thread... dual processors don't help Vegas that much except on:
A- Simple renders.
B- MPEG2 encoding.
C- Multiple instances of Vegas open.
D- ??? Network rendering to your own computer.

On the Sony site's Vegas forum, there are also rendertest.veg results (rendertest.veg is a benchmark). Prescott-core Pentiums seem to be the fastest right now. Canterwood-core Pentiums (6% slower than same clock speed Prescott) and AMD64 processors run neck to neck, although Pentiums are faster at MPEG2 encoding. In real world renders you may also see Pentiums pull slightly ahead by a few percent since rendertest.veg doesn't use hyperthreading (Pentium feature) as much as real world renders do.

I haven't checked the Sony forums in a while so rendertest.veg results may be different.

2- Lots of motherboard support opterons, the server version of the AMD64 processors. There are single, dual, and quad processor models (1xx, 2xx, and 4xx series). i.e. you can 2 opteron 242s and stick em in one of the many motherboards that support them.

3- A prescott-core Pentium is your best bang for your buck performance wise, although there are hidden costs such as electricity and slightly less reliability (Prescotts run really hot).

Dual processors are really pricey for a very marginal increase in speed. You need to get the really high clock speed ones to get a system that is faster than a single processor machine. A 3.2ghz Pentium may/will be able to outperform dual 2.8ghz Xeons on many renders.

4GB of RAM may be overkill and not worth your money if it means buying expensive 1GB sticks instead of 512MB ones. How much RAM you need for Vegas is debatable... you can search on this forum and others.

Tony Webber · January 6th, 2005, 02:27 AM

1. im using the colour correction filter it also does it when i black bar the clips.

2. the footage is all Pal DV 4:3
3. rendering is set to best

Ray Sigmond · January 6th, 2005, 05:06 AM

I currently am using Pinnacle Liquid Edition 6 and Adobe Premiere. I see a lot of people here are using Vegas and would like to know what Vegas users feel are the key features that make Vegas their NLE of choice over other PC programs such as Premiere Pro, Avid Xpress Pro, Canopus or Liquid Edition 6.

I have been researching and found some great training info on Vegas as well.

Vasst Training Products (lots of goodies Douglas Spotted Eagle and more)
http://www.vasst.com/training_products.htm

David Jimerson Celluloid & ReelPak-1
http://www.vasst.com/celluloid.htm

Gary Kleiner's Site
http://www.vegastrainingandtools.com/

Edward Troxel Vegas Scripting and Training
http://www.jetdv.com/vegas/

Thanks,

Ray

Edward Troxel · January 6th, 2005, 08:52 AM

What do you mean by the "crop guide"?

The volume envelope is TRACK level. To turn it on, just press "V" after clicking on the event.

Edward Troxel · January 6th, 2005, 09:12 AM

You've gotten LOTS of answers over the various forums on which you posted this question. The brief summary seems to be:

Audio
Stability
Scripting
Compositing abilities
Logical Workflow
Active/helpful forums
etc...

Ray Sigmond · January 6th, 2005, 09:28 AM

You're right Ed, and in addition to the features, the forum support and energy is first class. Most vegas users are extremely pleased and excited about Vegas. I can't say that for some of the others.

Regards,

Ray

Chris Moore · January 6th, 2005, 12:31 PM

Can I slighty slow or speed up a Song to match my video? I know if i do to much it will sound funny but i have heard they do this to radio broadcasts to gain more time. Is it possible with vegas 5?

Vince Debart · January 6th, 2005, 12:59 PM

We use to do this with a Ampex VPR 3 and an audio device that synthesized the audio as to match the video. In a 1/2 hr. show you could pick up :30 seconds so that the sales dept. could sell another spot in a 1/2 hr. show

I think this was dun by the VPRs TBC dropping a field of video every second

You can tell if a show has been “compressed” when the camera made a pan left or right as the camera panned the video would seem to skip we did this for a time to some syndicated shows but I think the producers found out about it and threatened legal action

Edward Troxel · January 6th, 2005, 01:15 PM

Hold down the CTRL key and resize the clip. This will allow you to speed it up or slow it down.

Dennis Adams · January 6th, 2005, 05:55 PM

This morning we released an updated version of Sony Vegas 5 that contains:

1) HDV project templates
2) HDV source file interpretation
3) HDV render templates for Sony HDV-compliant 1080-60i and 1080-50i HDV MPEG-2

The good news here is you can now get your HDV projects back to Sony HDV cameras and decks.

Download the Vegas 5 update here:

http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.co...p2.asp?DID=496

If you already have Vegas 5, it's a free update. If you don't, you can use it as a free trial.

Of course, it works well with CineForm Connect HD, also available from the website for a reduced price.

Happy New Year, and Happy Editing.

///d@
Sony Media Software

Steve Crisdale · January 7th, 2005, 05:56 AM

Thought I'd mention that Vegas still (even with this update) does not capture from the FX-1 (or HD10u for that matter), so you still need a capture utility.

Canopus and Ulead are releasing HDV capture capable updates of their software that will lure away those looking to Sony's own NLE flagship Vegas for an integrated solution....and all down to the inability to capture from the cam.

As the capture of HDV is still inoperative in Vegas, I'd also assume writing back to the FX-1 is achieved.....how?

Despite ConnectHD having these capabilities, I'd still much prefer to do it all through Vegas.

On the bright side.... HDV performance seems to be 'snappier'.

Kevin James · January 7th, 2005, 06:49 AM

By crop fuide I mean the dashed lines with the "f" in the middle that denote the viewing area.

January 5th, 2005, 10:24 PM	#106
Kevin James Major Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 204	Couple small issues When I use the pan crop tool my crop guide disappears and I can't seem to get it back. This usually happens when skipping around a clip. I solved this once before but have since forgotten how and the hlp file didn't provide me with a solution. Also, after importing and trimming in the timeline an audio file I am not able to insert and volume envelope. No option appears in the right click menu. This hasn't happened before. Any help wold be appreciated. Thanks!

January 5th, 2005, 10:27 PM	#107
Kevin James Major Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 204	New system Time I'm pretty sure I want to go Athlon 64. Possibly Dual. I'm having trouble finding motherboards that will support Dual 64's though. Would it be major overkill to go dual 64's? I'm thinking around 2-4gb Ram, pair of 300gb sata's (to start). This system is going to be purely for vegas. Any input would be greatly appreciated!

January 6th, 2005, 05:06 AM	#111
Ray Sigmond Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Edison, NJ Posts: 119	Why Choose Vegas ???? I currently am using Pinnacle Liquid Edition 6 and Adobe Premiere. I see a lot of people here are using Vegas and would like to know what Vegas users feel are the key features that make Vegas their NLE of choice over other PC programs such as Premiere Pro, Avid Xpress Pro, Canopus or Liquid Edition 6. I have been researching and found some great training info on Vegas as well. Vasst Training Products (lots of goodies Douglas Spotted Eagle and more) http://www.vasst.com/training_products.htm David Jimerson Celluloid & ReelPak-1 http://www.vasst.com/celluloid.htm Gary Kleiner's Site http://www.vegastrainingandtools.com/ Edward Troxel Vegas Scripting and Training http://www.jetdv.com/vegas/ Thanks, Ray

January 6th, 2005, 08:52 AM	#112
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	What do you mean by the "crop guide"? The volume envelope is TRACK level. To turn it on, just press "V" after clicking on the event. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

January 6th, 2005, 09:12 AM	#113
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	You've gotten LOTS of answers over the various forums on which you posted this question. The brief summary seems to be: Audio Stability Scripting Compositing abilities Logical Workflow Active/helpful forums etc... __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

January 5th, 2005, 10:32 PM	#108
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	1- Which filters are you using for color correction? 2- What format is your project and source footage? (i.e. NTSC DV) 3- Are you rendering in "good" quality?

January 5th, 2005, 10:41 PM	#109
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	Would it be major overkill to go dual 64's? Check the dual processor thread... dual processors don't help Vegas that much except on: A- Simple renders. B- MPEG2 encoding. C- Multiple instances of Vegas open. D- ??? Network rendering to your own computer. On the Sony site's Vegas forum, there are also rendertest.veg results (rendertest.veg is a benchmark). Prescott-core Pentiums seem to be the fastest right now. Canterwood-core Pentiums (6% slower than same clock speed Prescott) and AMD64 processors run neck to neck, although Pentiums are faster at MPEG2 encoding. In real world renders you may also see Pentiums pull slightly ahead by a few percent since rendertest.veg doesn't use hyperthreading (Pentium feature) as much as real world renders do. I haven't checked the Sony forums in a while so rendertest.veg results may be different. 2- Lots of motherboard support opterons, the server version of the AMD64 processors. There are single, dual, and quad processor models (1xx, 2xx, and 4xx series). i.e. you can 2 opteron 242s and stick em in one of the many motherboards that support them. 3- A prescott-core Pentium is your best bang for your buck performance wise, although there are hidden costs such as electricity and slightly less reliability (Prescotts run really hot). Dual processors are really pricey for a very marginal increase in speed. You need to get the really high clock speed ones to get a system that is faster than a single processor machine. A 3.2ghz Pentium may/will be able to outperform dual 2.8ghz Xeons on many renders. 4GB of RAM may be overkill and not worth your money if it means buying expensive 1GB sticks instead of 512MB ones. How much RAM you need for Vegas is debatable... you can search on this forum and others.

January 6th, 2005, 02:27 AM	#110
Tony Webber Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: uk Posts: 57	1. im using the colour correction filter it also does it when i black bar the clips. 2. the footage is all Pal DV 4:3 3. rendering is set to best

January 6th, 2005, 09:28 AM	#114
Ray Sigmond Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Edison, NJ Posts: 119	You're right Ed, and in addition to the features, the forum support and energy is first class. Most vegas users are extremely pleased and excited about Vegas. I can't say that for some of the others. Regards, Ray

January 6th, 2005, 12:31 PM	#115
Chris Moore Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Wentzville Missouri Posts: 59	Making a song end with my video(Slow down or speed up) Can I slighty slow or speed up a Song to match my video? I know if i do to much it will sound funny but i have heard they do this to radio broadcasts to gain more time. Is it possible with vegas 5?

January 6th, 2005, 12:59 PM	#116
Vince Debart Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Denver Posts: 254	We use to do this with a Ampex VPR 3 and an audio device that synthesized the audio as to match the video. In a 1/2 hr. show you could pick up :30 seconds so that the sales dept. could sell another spot in a 1/2 hr. show I think this was dun by the VPRs TBC dropping a field of video every second You can tell if a show has been “compressed” when the camera made a pan left or right as the camera panned the video would seem to skip we did this for a time to some syndicated shows but I think the producers found out about it and threatened legal action

January 6th, 2005, 01:15 PM	#117
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Hold down the CTRL key and resize the clip. This will allow you to speed it up or slow it down. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

January 6th, 2005, 05:55 PM	#118
Dennis Adams Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 123	Enhanced support for Sony HDR-FX1 camcorder in Sony Vegas update This morning we released an updated version of Sony Vegas 5 that contains: 1) HDV project templates 2) HDV source file interpretation 3) HDV render templates for Sony HDV-compliant 1080-60i and 1080-50i HDV MPEG-2 The good news here is you can now get your HDV projects back to Sony HDV cameras and decks. Download the Vegas 5 update here: http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.co...p2.asp?DID=496 If you already have Vegas 5, it's a free update. If you don't, you can use it as a free trial. Of course, it works well with CineForm Connect HD, also available from the website for a reduced price. Happy New Year, and Happy Editing. ///d@ Sony Media Software

January 7th, 2005, 05:56 AM	#119
Steve Crisdale Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Katoomba NSW Australia Posts: 635	Re: Enhanced support for Sony HDR-FX1 camcorder in Sony Vegas update Thought I'd mention that Vegas still (even with this update) does not capture from the FX-1 (or HD10u for that matter), so you still need a capture utility. Canopus and Ulead are releasing HDV capture capable updates of their software that will lure away those looking to Sony's own NLE flagship Vegas for an integrated solution....and all down to the inability to capture from the cam. As the capture of HDV is still inoperative in Vegas, I'd also assume writing back to the FX-1 is achieved.....how? Despite ConnectHD having these capabilities, I'd still much prefer to do it all through Vegas. On the bright side.... HDV performance seems to be 'snappier'.

January 7th, 2005, 06:49 AM	#120
Kevin James Major Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 204	By crop fuide I mean the dashed lines with the "f" in the middle that denote the viewing area.