Vegas Video discussions from 2005 (Q1Q2)

Edward Troxel · April 4th, 2005, 06:13 AM

It's working again now.

Patrick Masters · April 4th, 2005, 02:05 PM

Just wanted to introduce myself and say hello to those I know from the Sony forums and to those that aren't, I look foward to meeting and conversing with you.

Hopefully this forum is as fun and informative as the Sony forum and I will try to do my part in making this place both.

Patrick

Edward Troxel · April 4th, 2005, 04:40 PM

Welcome, Patrick. This is a good group of people here. I certainly think it's fun and informative!

Chris Trainor · April 4th, 2005, 05:41 PM

1st off, want to say thanks to all the other vegas users out there who have answered questions along the way. have made working much more effecient.

now for the question:

i did a shoot of a concert with 3 dv cams. what is a good way to edit these together? i have done some similar shots on a linear system, where i could see all the shots on seperate monitors and basically did a live to tape type deal.

i am sure there is an effecient way to do this on vegas, where i can view all 3 cams @ the same time and grap the shots i want as i see them?

enlighten me?

Edward Troxel · April 4th, 2005, 05:51 PM

I have listed 4 methods for doing this in vol 1 issue 9 of my newsletter (link under my name). The absolute EASIEST way is by using Excalibur 4 (do a search here)

Patrick Masters · April 4th, 2005, 05:58 PM

Definitely nice to see a familiar face here and Ed is a stand up guy so I know this forum will be awesome.

Patrick Masters · April 4th, 2005, 06:00 PM

I can definitely vouch for Ed's program. Excalibur makes multicam editing easier than pie. I think the new version allows up to 33 cams to edit plus tons of other stuff. Awesome program.

Edward Troxel · April 4th, 2005, 08:08 PM

All versions have had the same upper camera limit. Each version has simply made the process easier and easier. The basic limit is the number of letters minus "M" plus the numbers for a total of 35. There are presets for up to 25.

Chris Trainor · April 4th, 2005, 08:44 PM

fantastic.

again, thanks!

Dennis Vogel · April 6th, 2005, 08:47 PM

Here's the link: http://mikecrash.wz.cz/

Good luck.

Dennis

Peter Moore · April 6th, 2005, 08:59 PM

So I'm using ConnectHD for Vegas and getting wierd results. Bad splotchiness. I'm not using VirtualDub as before - just straight Vegas. Also using the VASST preset - still happens.

Here's the problem. I take footage compressed into CFHD by Vegas. No problem there. Vegas does a fine job of converting the footage (as does the Cineform converter).

As soon as I do any processing on the footage, though, i.e., any recompression, I get bad splotchiness. See these pictures:

http://www.mooreusa.net/example1.jpg
http://www.mooreusa.net/example2.jpg

Example 1 is normal. Example 2 is minor reprocessing and recompression. Look at the splotchiness on the walls.

This is unusable. Does anyone have any idea what is wrong? I use the VASST preset - still has problems. I save as uncompressed AVI - no problem. Any other codec, for that matter - no problem.

Is this a problem inherent in CFHD? Does multiple recompression to CFHD cause this routinely? Is there another codec I could use that would withstand recompression?

Thanks for any help.

Peter

Peter Moore · April 6th, 2005, 09:42 PM

You know what? Screw this. I'm using QuickTime MJPEG-A at 100% quality. It's the same file size as ConnectHd and free and works perfectly.

Pete Cole · April 6th, 2005, 10:44 PM

Hello Folks, Does anyone know if in Vegas 5, I can render a clip, with the color of the blue or green screen designated as transparent. This would allow me to convert it in other software to an SWF movie file and use it as an overlay with another scene as background in Flash. Thanks, Pete.

Josh Bass · April 6th, 2005, 11:33 PM

So I have two short films at this time that are over five minutes. When I attempt to play these, as AVI files, in Realplayer or Windows Media player, the time on both files is listed as 4:42.

These AVIs were created in Vegas 4, with the NTSC DV Codec. I'm wondering if there's a better codec to use in Vegas when making an AVI?

I wouldn't care that much except that it affects my Roxio DVD builder software, causing those movies to stop playing at the 4:42 mark.

Glenn Chan · April 7th, 2005, 12:32 AM

I assume your target destination is Flash.

Flash may not handle video with transparency all that well (performance issues). It does handle video, and it does handle transparency.

If you want to get something into Flash, use a format that has an alpha channel or supports transparency (I use the two terms interchangeably; there might be some technical difference between the two words that I don't know of).

Still formats:
TGA
GIF
PNG

Video formats:
Quicktime with Animation codec
AVI with animation codec
Vegas: uncompressed with custom setting to enable alpha channel. (warning: very big files!!!)

I don't think the animation codec is in Vegas.

April 4th, 2005, 06:13 AM	#1126
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	It's working again now. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

April 4th, 2005, 02:05 PM	#1127
Patrick Masters Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Florida USA Posts: 34	Hello Just wanted to introduce myself and say hello to those I know from the Sony forums and to those that aren't, I look foward to meeting and conversing with you. Hopefully this forum is as fun and informative as the Sony forum and I will try to do my part in making this place both. Patrick

April 4th, 2005, 04:40 PM	#1128
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Welcome, Patrick. This is a good group of people here. I certainly think it's fun and informative! __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

April 4th, 2005, 05:41 PM	#1129
Chris Trainor Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: new orleans / baton rouge Posts: 46	multi camera editing 1st off, want to say thanks to all the other vegas users out there who have answered questions along the way. have made working much more effecient. now for the question: i did a shoot of a concert with 3 dv cams. what is a good way to edit these together? i have done some similar shots on a linear system, where i could see all the shots on seperate monitors and basically did a live to tape type deal. i am sure there is an effecient way to do this on vegas, where i can view all 3 cams @ the same time and grap the shots i want as i see them? enlighten me?

April 4th, 2005, 05:51 PM	#1130
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I have listed 4 methods for doing this in vol 1 issue 9 of my newsletter (link under my name). The absolute EASIEST way is by using Excalibur 4 (do a search here) __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

April 4th, 2005, 05:58 PM	#1131
Patrick Masters Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Florida USA Posts: 34	Definitely nice to see a familiar face here and Ed is a stand up guy so I know this forum will be awesome.

April 4th, 2005, 06:00 PM	#1132
Patrick Masters Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Florida USA Posts: 34	I can definitely vouch for Ed's program. Excalibur makes multicam editing easier than pie. I think the new version allows up to 33 cams to edit plus tons of other stuff. Awesome program.

April 4th, 2005, 08:08 PM	#1133
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	All versions have had the same upper camera limit. Each version has simply made the process easier and easier. The basic limit is the number of letters minus "M" plus the numbers for a total of 35. There are presets for up to 25. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

April 4th, 2005, 08:44 PM	#1134
Chris Trainor Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: new orleans / baton rouge Posts: 46	fantastic. again, thanks!

April 6th, 2005, 08:47 PM	#1135
Dennis Vogel Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hillsborough, NC Posts: 409	Here's the link: http://mikecrash.wz.cz/ Good luck. Dennis

April 6th, 2005, 08:59 PM	#1136
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	Problems with Vegas and ConnectHD So I'm using ConnectHD for Vegas and getting wierd results. Bad splotchiness. I'm not using VirtualDub as before - just straight Vegas. Also using the VASST preset - still happens. Here's the problem. I take footage compressed into CFHD by Vegas. No problem there. Vegas does a fine job of converting the footage (as does the Cineform converter). As soon as I do any processing on the footage, though, i.e., any recompression, I get bad splotchiness. See these pictures: http://www.mooreusa.net/example1.jpg http://www.mooreusa.net/example2.jpg Example 1 is normal. Example 2 is minor reprocessing and recompression. Look at the splotchiness on the walls. This is unusable. Does anyone have any idea what is wrong? I use the VASST preset - still has problems. I save as uncompressed AVI - no problem. Any other codec, for that matter - no problem. Is this a problem inherent in CFHD? Does multiple recompression to CFHD cause this routinely? Is there another codec I could use that would withstand recompression? Thanks for any help. Peter

April 6th, 2005, 09:42 PM	#1137
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	You know what? Screw this. I'm using QuickTime MJPEG-A at 100% quality. It's the same file size as ConnectHd and free and works perfectly.

April 6th, 2005, 10:44 PM	#1138
Pete Cole Tourist Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: toronto Posts: 1	tranparent color Hello Folks, Does anyone know if in Vegas 5, I can render a clip, with the color of the blue or green screen designated as transparent. This would allow me to convert it in other software to an SWF movie file and use it as an overlay with another scene as background in Flash. Thanks, Pete. __________________ Pete

April 6th, 2005, 11:33 PM	#1139
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Windows Media, realplayer not recognizing a codec. . .or something So I have two short films at this time that are over five minutes. When I attempt to play these, as AVI files, in Realplayer or Windows Media player, the time on both files is listed as 4:42. These AVIs were created in Vegas 4, with the NTSC DV Codec. I'm wondering if there's a better codec to use in Vegas when making an AVI? I wouldn't care that much except that it affects my Roxio DVD builder software, causing those movies to stop playing at the 4:42 mark. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

April 7th, 2005, 12:32 AM	#1140
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	I assume your target destination is Flash. Flash may not handle video with transparency all that well (performance issues). It does handle video, and it does handle transparency. If you want to get something into Flash, use a format that has an alpha channel or supports transparency (I use the two terms interchangeably; there might be some technical difference between the two words that I don't know of). Still formats: TGA GIF PNG Video formats: Quicktime with Animation codec AVI with animation codec Vegas: uncompressed with custom setting to enable alpha channel. (warning: very big files!!!) I don't think the animation codec is in Vegas.