Vegas Video discussions from 2005 (Q1Q2)

Milt Lee · February 13th, 2005, 11:29 PM

Hmmm.....copy that bin to the other project. Very cool thought. I never really think about opening multiple copies of Vegas, but why not?

Thanks a bunch!
Milt

Yi Fong Yu · February 14th, 2005, 12:48 AM

Do you think it runs faster? What other bugfixes? Anybody run into problems with it?

Frank Aalbers · February 14th, 2005, 01:44 AM

Thanks Edward !!

Setting scene detect OFF did the trick ! :-)

Gotta love this forum !

Frank

Frank Aalbers · February 14th, 2005, 01:46 AM

My favourite so far is the much improved mpg2 encoder

Two pass ROCKS !

Frank

Rob Lohman · February 14th, 2005, 04:04 AM

Thanks Edward!

Greg: 24p is *NOT* NTSC. It is a film based emulation. NTSC is
29.97 fps. So if you go to normal NTSC you need to do a temporal
interpolation.

However, you are still going (even in this case) from 720 x 576
to 720 x 480. So you are loosing some resolution in the process.

So you are converting, but it is often said that PAL -> NTSC or
PAL -> film is a far better and easier conversion than the other
way around (at least for NTSC -> PAL).

Rob Lohman · February 14th, 2005, 04:06 AM

I would swear it was the MainConcept one, oh well. I trust Edward
much more on this issue then myself. I knew about the MPEG
encoder, for some reason I though the DV encoder was also by
them.

Perhaps my mind mixes up some information every now and then,
heh. Thanks for setting me straight guys!

Rob Lohman · February 14th, 2005, 04:20 AM

Which exact version of Vegas are you using?

Peter Jefferson · February 14th, 2005, 06:46 AM

REEEEEEEEEEALLY NOW...........

i hadnt been bothered with the patch until i finish these projects.. BUT.. now that u got me thinking....

wheres my Ghost disc...

Rob Lohman · February 14th, 2005, 07:22 AM

This may be a known issue (which exist with PAL captures when
scene detection is on) that manifests itself with this
downconversion as well. Try the following in the capture utility:

Options -> Preferences -> Capture tab, make sure that the options
before minimum clip length and maximum capture length are NOT
checked (capture start delay is also unchecked here).

That fixes that known issue. Perhaps it also helps in this case
(it looks like the same kind of problem).

Edward Troxel · February 14th, 2005, 08:20 AM

Two Pass MPEG was added in 5.0 - it's not new to 5.0d.

Edward Troxel · February 14th, 2005, 08:22 AM

Not sure the version will make a difference. There could be several things going on and it's hard to tell from the description WHICH it might be.

For example, if you are using stills, and they are not the same shape as the output screen, you will get black bars. Even if you zoom in these bars will not go away UNLESS you choose the "Match Output Aspect" option in Pan/Crop.

Rob Lohman · February 14th, 2005, 08:44 AM

No, letterboxing is a way to simulate the widescreen look. If you
want a true 16:9 anamorphic DVD (and don't have anamorphic
shot footage either with an adapter or in-camera) you will have
to start a 16:9 project, crop and stretch the footage before output.
This works best if you render your complete project as 4:3 in one
file before doing the following (for Vegas 5):

1. start Vegas and choose a widescreen project, make sure "simulate device aspect ratio" is turned on for the preview (right-click in the preview screen)

2. load your footage (it should look pillar boxed, ie: black bars on the sides instead of top and bottom)

3. go to track motion on the video track (2nd icon from the left) and select "3D Source Alpha" for compositing mode

4. change the Z value till the image in your preview is fully filled (about -150 on my PAL test here)

5. make sure you output with a 16:9 anamorphic preset!

The DVD player will auto letterbox your footage if it is played on
a non widescreen TV (and the DVD player is setup correctly for this!!)

Joshua Loomis · February 14th, 2005, 09:32 AM

Thanks for the reply. I had a feeling I might have to upgrade, but it's nice to know they made this specific change. Subtitles seem so basic. Does upgrading to 5.0 require purchasing the entire software package again?

Edward Troxel · February 14th, 2005, 09:41 AM

Upgrade pricing is available. It appears to be $250 to upgrade from Vegas4+DVDA1 to Vegas5+DVDA2

http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.co...D=912&SPID=272

You will find many more changes there as well. I have a full review of the changes in the April 2004 issue of my newsletter. You can also see a comparison chart on the Sony site which compares the two versions.

Bob Safay · February 14th, 2005, 09:59 AM

Question. Sometimes, after I have rendered my project and I want to print to dv tape, the audio will sound like it is slowing down and dragging. Sounds like an old tape recorder with the battery doing dead. If I stop the process and start over it may do alright, or, it will appear in a different place on the project. This generally only happens for a few seconds but, makes it unusable, and I have to start the print phase over. It does not happen when burning a DVD. Oh, I also set the audio to "best" before doing the print to dv tape. Any ideas? Bob

February 13th, 2005, 11:29 PM	#541
Milt Lee Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Cass Lake MN Posts: 221	Hmmm.....copy that bin to the other project. Very cool thought. I never really think about opening multiple copies of Vegas, but why not? Thanks a bunch! Milt __________________ Professional website - http://manykites.com Personal - http://mrdogsblog.com

February 14th, 2005, 12:48 AM	#542
Yi Fong Yu Trustee Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vulcan Posts: 1,564	Vegas 5d & DVD Arch 2b update/patch impressions. Do you think it runs faster? What other bugfixes? Anybody run into problems with it? __________________ bow wow wow

February 14th, 2005, 04:04 AM	#545
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Thanks Edward! Greg: 24p is NOT NTSC. It is a film based emulation. NTSC is 29.97 fps. So if you go to normal NTSC you need to do a temporal interpolation. However, you are still going (even in this case) from 720 x 576 to 720 x 480. So you are loosing some resolution in the process. So you are converting, but it is often said that PAL -> NTSC or PAL -> film is a far better and easier conversion than the other way around (at least for NTSC -> PAL). __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 14th, 2005, 04:06 AM	#546
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I would swear it was the MainConcept one, oh well. I trust Edward much more on this issue then myself. I knew about the MPEG encoder, for some reason I though the DV encoder was also by them. Perhaps my mind mixes up some information every now and then, heh. Thanks for setting me straight guys! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 14th, 2005, 04:20 AM	#547
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Which exact version of Vegas are you using? __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 14th, 2005, 01:44 AM	#543
Frank Aalbers Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Oakland,CA Posts: 135	Thanks Edward !! Setting scene detect OFF did the trick ! :-) Gotta love this forum ! Frank

February 14th, 2005, 01:46 AM	#544
Frank Aalbers Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Oakland,CA Posts: 135	My favourite so far is the much improved mpg2 encoder Two pass ROCKS ! Frank

February 14th, 2005, 06:46 AM	#548
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	REEEEEEEEEEALLY NOW........... i hadnt been bothered with the patch until i finish these projects.. BUT.. now that u got me thinking.... wheres my Ghost disc...

February 14th, 2005, 07:22 AM	#549
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	This may be a known issue (which exist with PAL captures when scene detection is on) that manifests itself with this downconversion as well. Try the following in the capture utility: Options -> Preferences -> Capture tab, make sure that the options before minimum clip length and maximum capture length are NOT checked (capture start delay is also unchecked here). That fixes that known issue. Perhaps it also helps in this case (it looks like the same kind of problem). __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 14th, 2005, 08:20 AM	#550
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Two Pass MPEG was added in 5.0 - it's not new to 5.0d. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

February 14th, 2005, 08:22 AM	#551
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Not sure the version will make a difference. There could be several things going on and it's hard to tell from the description WHICH it might be. For example, if you are using stills, and they are not the same shape as the output screen, you will get black bars. Even if you zoom in these bars will not go away UNLESS you choose the "Match Output Aspect" option in Pan/Crop. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

February 14th, 2005, 08:44 AM	#552
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	No, letterboxing is a way to simulate the widescreen look. If you want a true 16:9 anamorphic DVD (and don't have anamorphic shot footage either with an adapter or in-camera) you will have to start a 16:9 project, crop and stretch the footage before output. This works best if you render your complete project as 4:3 in one file before doing the following (for Vegas 5): 1. start Vegas and choose a widescreen project, make sure "simulate device aspect ratio" is turned on for the preview (right-click in the preview screen) 2. load your footage (it should look pillar boxed, ie: black bars on the sides instead of top and bottom) 3. go to track motion on the video track (2nd icon from the left) and select "3D Source Alpha" for compositing mode 4. change the Z value till the image in your preview is fully filled (about -150 on my PAL test here) 5. make sure you output with a 16:9 anamorphic preset! The DVD player will auto letterbox your footage if it is played on a non widescreen TV (and the DVD player is setup correctly for this!!) __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 14th, 2005, 09:32 AM	#553
Joshua Loomis Tourist Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 4	Thanks for the reply. I had a feeling I might have to upgrade, but it's nice to know they made this specific change. Subtitles seem so basic. Does upgrading to 5.0 require purchasing the entire software package again? __________________ JL

February 14th, 2005, 09:41 AM	#554
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Upgrade pricing is available. It appears to be $250 to upgrade from Vegas4+DVDA1 to Vegas5+DVDA2 http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.co...D=912&SPID=272 You will find many more changes there as well. I have a full review of the changes in the April 2004 issue of my newsletter. You can also see a comparison chart on the Sony site which compares the two versions. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

February 14th, 2005, 09:59 AM	#555
Bob Safay Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 1,558	Problem with Audio when printing to dv tape Question. Sometimes, after I have rendered my project and I want to print to dv tape, the audio will sound like it is slowing down and dragging. Sounds like an old tape recorder with the battery doing dead. If I stop the process and start over it may do alright, or, it will appear in a different place on the project. This generally only happens for a few seconds but, makes it unusable, and I have to start the print phase over. It does not happen when burning a DVD. Oh, I also set the audio to "best" before doing the print to dv tape. Any ideas? Bob