Vegas Video discussions from 2005 (Q1Q2)

Edward Troxel · January 24th, 2005, 11:09 PM

Scenalyzer Live has a rough meter while capturing but I'm not sure how far I'd trust it. You can download it and test as a demo (I think you might get a beep every now and then because it's a demo)

You really need to make sure you're feeding it the proper signal strength to begin with by using your camera audio controls.

Ian Stark · January 25th, 2005, 03:32 AM

Hi Kim,

Have you tried the Debugmode (makers of WinMorph) forums?

http://www.debugmode.com/userforums/viewforum.php?f=2&sid=d269e86411757e08efb3ee7c52e0cba8

There's a good deal of material there that may (or may not) get you started and Satish (the developer) does seem to get back to people on tech problems.

Worth a try? Good luck.

Ian Stark · January 25th, 2005, 03:37 AM

Actually, this quote from Satish last year may just sum it up :

Winmorph does not work with Vegas 5. Sony is thinking of reviewing the plugin SDK for Vegas so i am waiting for that to happen.. Meanwhile please try with Vegas 4. Or if you got Wax plugin for Vegas 5 to work, you can use WinMorph from inside Wax as a plugin.

Glenn Gipson · January 25th, 2005, 09:55 AM

Excuse me if this is in the wrong forum, but when using Magic Bullet Looks with Vegas, does it make a difference, in terms of rendering time, as to whether or not one uses a P4 or an AMD chip? I've read that MB is optimized for P4s, but does this mean that AMD chips will render MB slower then P4s? Thanks.

Edward Troxel · January 25th, 2005, 10:05 AM

Magic Bullet is slow no matter what chip you put it on.

David Rocchio · January 25th, 2005, 04:48 PM

Edward is being kind,, painfully slow is more like it.

Glenn Chan · January 25th, 2005, 05:59 PM

It might actually be faster on AMD64 CPUs as they are generally faster at floating point calculations. Magic Bullet does its processing with 16-bit floating point calculations. This is just theoretical however, and the difference should maybe be around 50% which means Magic Bullet is still really slow. I also don't have an AMD64 CPU to play with so I have no way of verifying what I said was true.

For everything else video-related, it seems Pentium processors are generally faster than AMD64.

Philippe Gosselin · January 25th, 2005, 10:01 PM

Hi Emre,

Well I finally got something out of it.

Ended up rendering it raw and converting it to mpg via tmpge.

27meg for a 2:46 file in 352x240.... not bad.

One question though , you suggested a bitrate of 500 and this is how I set tmpge to but it turns out to be 240 ??? I look back at my settings and it is indeed 500.

would it be 240 by pass (because I put 2) , doesn't add up but this is the only logical answer that comes to mind.

thanks for your help

Phil

Philippe Gosselin · January 25th, 2005, 10:56 PM

Hi all,

Well here it is , thanks to hours of effort , invaluable help from numerous people here who so generously helped me the final version of my latest project is here.

Hopefully I am not posting in the wrong spot.

just click on the following link to download :

http://s7.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3R...I3KNOHE850R0K1

Of course if I post that here I am expecting some reviews and/or criticism. PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT BE COMPLAICENT !!!! ( hope I wrote that right)

Bash into my wall as much as you like , I want to improve and learn and if I get hit by a feather I will not go far.

Keep in mind though that this is probably my 5th project , by far the most complex. I learn everything on my own , shooting , editing (that's with some help from you guys ;) etc...

Thanks a million

Phil

PS: the project is in french so ...

Gary Kleiner · January 25th, 2005, 11:09 PM

It looks llike you have a lot of the main concepts well in hand.

The footage is a bit distracting because of the (evidently) poor low-light capabilities of the camera. It can probably be made to look better with tweaks such as using color curves and the median filter.

Overal, my main comment is.....Man, I have to get out more! :-)

Glenn Chan · January 25th, 2005, 11:32 PM

divX and windows media should both be able to produce a better compressed file than MPEG1/MPEG2 from TMPGENC. Windows Media is probably the best choice as it won't put spyware on your computer like divX does (you can google for removing GAIN, which is bundled with divX I think), is free, and provides arguably better encodes (depending on input material). You can download Windows Media Encoder for free.

Peter Jefferson · January 26th, 2005, 04:36 AM

assuming yoru betaSP deck has component output, u can get urself a decklink box and connec tit that way. another option is to go for a DAC2 component to firewire adapter.

I use this all the time for broadcast work..

If only vegas supported DVCPro 25 and 50... :(

Mark McCarthy · January 26th, 2005, 04:56 AM

hello Peter, thanks for taking the time to reply.

The DAC 2 component to firewire adaptor sounds very interesting!

Can I attach my Beta sp player (or any other source) to it, and inport it into my pc via my firewire lead. And can you output the same way, through the firewire - into the DAC 2 component- to beta sp?

If you could perhaps give me some more details of your DAC2 component, model and make etc I'll see where I may be able to get one in the UK.

thank again

best wishes
Mark

John Hudson · January 26th, 2005, 02:25 PM

One thing I agree with Gary on is that you seem to have a grasp on the main concepts pretty good.

However, I'm wondering if the 'apparent low light' capabilities seems to be more operator error; next time try exposing for the highlights. It appears you opened up the iris to a level where you could 'see'; as if forcing the exposure. Also consider looking into seeing if your monitor is calibrated properly.

Enetertaining video!

Vovka Chopine · January 26th, 2005, 03:24 PM

Here is couple projects idone in Vegas 5.
First is more-less playing in Vegas with filters, second was pure fun.
If you have any quetions, I will be happy to answer.

http://www.amkafilms.com/homework.mov
http://www.amkafilms.com/ads.mov

January 24th, 2005, 11:09 PM	#331
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Scenalyzer Live has a rough meter while capturing but I'm not sure how far I'd trust it. You can download it and test as a demo (I think you might get a beep every now and then because it's a demo) You really need to make sure you're feeding it the proper signal strength to begin with by using your camera audio controls. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

January 25th, 2005, 03:32 AM	#332
Ian Stark Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,237	Hi Kim, Have you tried the Debugmode (makers of WinMorph) forums? http://www.debugmode.com/userforums/viewforum.php?f=2&sid=d269e86411757e08efb3ee7c52e0cba8 There's a good deal of material there that may (or may not) get you started and Satish (the developer) does seem to get back to people on tech problems. Worth a try? Good luck. __________________ www.vit-media.com www.classicmachinefilms.co.uk

January 25th, 2005, 03:37 AM	#333
Ian Stark Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,237	Actually, this quote from Satish last year may just sum it up : Winmorph does not work with Vegas 5. Sony is thinking of reviewing the plugin SDK for Vegas so i am waiting for that to happen.. Meanwhile please try with Vegas 4. Or if you got Wax plugin for Vegas 5 to work, you can use WinMorph from inside Wax as a plugin. __________________ www.vit-media.com www.classicmachinefilms.co.uk

January 25th, 2005, 09:55 AM	#334
Glenn Gipson Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Plainfield, New Jersey Posts: 927	Magic Bullet, Vegas, and CPU brand Excuse me if this is in the wrong forum, but when using Magic Bullet Looks with Vegas, does it make a difference, in terms of rendering time, as to whether or not one uses a P4 or an AMD chip? I've read that MB is optimized for P4s, but does this mean that AMD chips will render MB slower then P4s? Thanks.

January 25th, 2005, 10:05 AM	#335
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Magic Bullet is slow no matter what chip you put it on. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

January 25th, 2005, 04:48 PM	#336
David Rocchio New Boot Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: charlotte nc Posts: 5	Edward is being kind,, painfully slow is more like it.

January 25th, 2005, 05:59 PM	#337
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	It might actually be faster on AMD64 CPUs as they are generally faster at floating point calculations. Magic Bullet does its processing with 16-bit floating point calculations. This is just theoretical however, and the difference should maybe be around 50% which means Magic Bullet is still really slow. I also don't have an AMD64 CPU to play with so I have no way of verifying what I said was true. For everything else video-related, it seems Pentium processors are generally faster than AMD64.

January 25th, 2005, 10:01 PM	#338
Philippe Gosselin Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Montreal , Canada Posts: 197	Hi Emre, Well I finally got something out of it. Ended up rendering it raw and converting it to mpg via tmpge. 27meg for a 2:46 file in 352x240.... not bad. One question though , you suggested a bitrate of 500 and this is how I set tmpge to but it turns out to be 240 ??? I look back at my settings and it is indeed 500. would it be 240 by pass (because I put 2) , doesn't add up but this is the only logical answer that comes to mind. thanks for your help Phil __________________ Still lost in Vice city My website: www.production24fps.com/english.php

January 25th, 2005, 10:56 PM	#339
Philippe Gosselin Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Montreal , Canada Posts: 197	The fruit of my labor Hi all, Well here it is , thanks to hours of effort , invaluable help from numerous people here who so generously helped me the final version of my latest project is here. Hopefully I am not posting in the wrong spot. just click on the following link to download : http://s7.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3R...I3KNOHE850R0K1 Of course if I post that here I am expecting some reviews and/or criticism. PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT BE COMPLAICENT !!!! ( hope I wrote that right) Bash into my wall as much as you like , I want to improve and learn and if I get hit by a feather I will not go far. Keep in mind though that this is probably my 5th project , by far the most complex. I learn everything on my own , shooting , editing (that's with some help from you guys ;) etc... Thanks a million Phil PS: the project is in french so ... __________________ Still lost in Vice city My website: www.production24fps.com/english.php

January 25th, 2005, 11:09 PM	#340
Gary Kleiner Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Fort Collins, Colorado Posts: 166	It looks llike you have a lot of the main concepts well in hand. The footage is a bit distracting because of the (evidently) poor low-light capabilities of the camera. It can probably be made to look better with tweaks such as using color curves and the median filter. Overal, my main comment is.....Man, I have to get out more! :-)

January 25th, 2005, 11:32 PM	#341
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	divX and windows media should both be able to produce a better compressed file than MPEG1/MPEG2 from TMPGENC. Windows Media is probably the best choice as it won't put spyware on your computer like divX does (you can google for removing GAIN, which is bundled with divX I think), is free, and provides arguably better encodes (depending on input material). You can download Windows Media Encoder for free.

January 26th, 2005, 04:36 AM	#342
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	assuming yoru betaSP deck has component output, u can get urself a decklink box and connec tit that way. another option is to go for a DAC2 component to firewire adapter. I use this all the time for broadcast work.. If only vegas supported DVCPro 25 and 50... :(

January 26th, 2005, 04:56 AM	#343
Mark McCarthy Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Westcliff-On-Sea, Essex, England Posts: 154	hello Peter, thanks for taking the time to reply. The DAC 2 component to firewire adaptor sounds very interesting! Can I attach my Beta sp player (or any other source) to it, and inport it into my pc via my firewire lead. And can you output the same way, through the firewire - into the DAC 2 component- to beta sp? If you could perhaps give me some more details of your DAC2 component, model and make etc I'll see where I may be able to get one in the UK. thank again best wishes Mark

January 26th, 2005, 02:25 PM	#344
John Hudson Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: 32° 44' N 117° 10' W Posts: 820	One thing I agree with Gary on is that you seem to have a grasp on the main concepts pretty good. However, I'm wondering if the 'apparent low light' capabilities seems to be more operator error; next time try exposing for the highlights. It appears you opened up the iris to a level where you could 'see'; as if forcing the exposure. Also consider looking into seeing if your monitor is calibrated properly. Enetertaining video!

January 26th, 2005, 03:24 PM	#345
Vovka Chopine New Boot Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 6	Couple projects i done in vegas Here is couple projects idone in Vegas 5. First is more-less playing in Vegas with filters, second was pure fun. If you have any quetions, I will be happy to answer. http://www.amkafilms.com/homework.mov http://www.amkafilms.com/ads.mov