Vegas Video discussions from 2005 (Q1Q2)

Matt Ockenfels · May 27th, 2005, 01:29 PM

Whoops, I meant to say...

set the File->Properties->Video->Frame Rate to 23.97

DJ Kinney · May 27th, 2005, 09:48 PM

You said...30/25=1.25 (or 125%) however,

Which is right, but I'm going to 24 frames, not 25. If I were going to 25, the Sound Forge number would make sense, but it's 24.

Also, does changing the frame rate in properties change the playback speed? I was pretty sure that it just changes the environment (timeline, generated media, etc) but doesn't change a clip that's imported as 29.97.

Thoughts?

Thanks again.

Rob Lohman · May 28th, 2005, 04:37 AM

This has nothing to do with Vegas. Like any other video application Vegas
just feeds uncompressed footage to the encoder (codec) and it can then
turn this into frames that get stored in the file format you choose.

The only thing you can really do is experiment with the different settings of
both the codecs. Why are you encoding to these formats? Is it for web
delivery? If so, most people go with QuickTime or Windows Media instead
of DivX (although it is quite popular).

If you are compressing for the web (this thread will then be moved to the
web delivery forum!) usually you want to drop resolution to half and framerate
to something like 15 frames per second to get smaller files. Yes, this will
result in a more choppy playback, but not much choice there (really), unless
it is okay to have large files.

Besides resolution and framerate the number of passes (more passes yield
better results) together with the bitrate define the final quality.

Mitch Buss · May 28th, 2005, 10:20 AM

How do I do that? Do I have to download something or what is the process to convert it?

Matt Ockenfels · May 28th, 2005, 02:51 PM

Hi DJ,

Whoops again, I meant 30/24=1.25 My fingers are too fat for their own good!

I just tried it setting the file properties frame rate in Vegas to 23.97, and you're right. It does not seem to change playback speed or project length. It seems to "remap" the 30 to 24. You might want to try some render tests to see how this interpolation occours, and if the results are satisfactory (I do not have any 30p footage or I'd try myself....) Let us know how it turns out!

Cheers,
-Matt

Andre Andreev · May 29th, 2005, 03:17 AM

and select the "C:\Program Files\Sony\Vegas 6.0\VidCap60.EXE" capturing app in Options/Preferences/Video - worked for me.

Cheers
-- Andre

Rob Lohman · May 29th, 2005, 04:48 AM

This has nothing to do with Vegas, but with Windows and the driver for the
camera. See the following thread and thread @ Sony they link to:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=45315

Mitch Buss · May 29th, 2005, 06:41 AM

can anyone help me with this?

Edward Troxel · May 29th, 2005, 08:41 AM

I thought people HAD helped you with this. You have two basic options:

1) Install the proper codec so that Vegas can properly decode the video
2) Use some other program to translate the video into a standard format that Vegas can see.

Mitch Buss · May 29th, 2005, 09:00 AM

I'm sorry but where do I download the codec from.

Newdjeen Klime · May 29th, 2005, 12:49 PM

Someone has still "clever" ideas?
Îê, Dan, go in the Windows Control Panel (Start - > Control Panel), and click the Contour Shuttle Device (or clik on the Shuttle icon on system tray, and choose "Open Control Panel "). It will open Contour Shuttle Device Configuraion.
On tab "ShuttlePro v2" (I use v2, but I think in v1 that is same windows) under Application settings window finde the button Options
Go To
Options -> Import Settings -> and programm prompt you select a specify configuration file.
The necessary file is in... (if Vegas installed by default)
C:\Program Files\Sony\Vegas 6.0
Specify the file, and enjoy - now you can use you device in Vegas 6. ;-)

SonicFoundry, Sony and many other manufacturers always add a configuration file for Shuttle with him Software, becouse driver-Updating leave not often, and add a lot of unnecessary job for Contour Design

Sorry 4 my English

Happy Editing

Jack Smith · May 29th, 2005, 05:46 PM

Hi I have done this before and whats been said is correct.Your decreasing the video down from 100% speed to 80%.To match audio your calculating an opposite by increasing the length in Sound Forge so if you look at it like to go from the 80% up tp the 100% you would need to increase the 80% by 125% to get 100% then apply the 125% to the audio length maintaining pitch in Sound Forge.I mention this in case you experiment as I did with various speeds.eg.85% actually looked cool in some situations.

Edward Troxel · May 29th, 2005, 07:37 PM

Personally, I don't use DivX files so I've never tried to locate it. If you do a search for DivX, though, I know it's been discussed MANY times.

Steve Crisdale · May 29th, 2005, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Lohman

This has nothing to do with Vegas, but with Windows and the driver for the
camera. See the following thread and thread @ Sony they link to:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=45315

I suspect this sort of event is going to be happening more and more frequently...

Unfortunately there may be no way to inform Sony FX-1/Z1 camera owners that they will still need to load the correct driver (not easy for a PC novice, which many will no doubt be) or install WinXP Service Pack 2 to be able to capture HDV in any program - let alone Vegas.

Mike may be the first... but he won't be the last to post their frustration at what is perceived by many who encounter it (rightly or wrongly) as a most exasperating situation.

The JVC HD10 came with a driver disk that meant even 'puter newbies could only blame themselves if they cocked it up. As the FX-1/Z1 don't come with any driver disk, the assumption is... "this thing must be recognised automatically", and when the re-assuring 'boing' sounds to notify 'IEEE-1394 device found', most users assume they must be good to go. Imagine how they feel when all that excitement turns to bewilderment when it ain't so... No HDV device showing - how to get that video outta da cam?

I can relate to Mike's frustration, and I'm no PC newbie. Capturing from the FX-1 proved difficult for me too when I first got my cam, and it would be nice to think that their circumstance engendered sympathy and a brief outline of the solution, rather than a cold shoulder.

After all, the Vegas user base is going to be swelled by FX1/Z1 owners. It might be worthwhile to help them rather than alienate them...

Plamen Petrov · May 30th, 2005, 04:20 PM

Hello!
My idea was to capture a footage directly to dvd .VOB file /not via Vegas,of course/. Ok,there was not any problem, playing back of this new captured vob file with some media players was ok - there are both audio and video. But when I tried to put the .VOB file on Vegas,only the video track exists. No any audio track! So,is there any way to let Vegas recognize the audio track from a .VOB file??????

May 27th, 2005, 01:29 PM	#1696
Matt Ockenfels Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Issaquah, WA Posts: 62	Whoops, I meant to say... set the File->Properties->Video->Frame Rate to 23.97 __________________ Matt Ockenfels a pixel a day keeps boredom at bay

May 28th, 2005, 04:37 AM	#1698
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	This has nothing to do with Vegas. Like any other video application Vegas just feeds uncompressed footage to the encoder (codec) and it can then turn this into frames that get stored in the file format you choose. The only thing you can really do is experiment with the different settings of both the codecs. Why are you encoding to these formats? Is it for web delivery? If so, most people go with QuickTime or Windows Media instead of DivX (although it is quite popular). If you are compressing for the web (this thread will then be moved to the web delivery forum!) usually you want to drop resolution to half and framerate to something like 15 frames per second to get smaller files. Yes, this will result in a more choppy playback, but not much choice there (really), unless it is okay to have large files. Besides resolution and framerate the number of passes (more passes yield better results) together with the bitrate define the final quality. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

May 28th, 2005, 02:51 PM	#1700
Matt Ockenfels Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Issaquah, WA Posts: 62	Hi DJ, Whoops again, I meant 30/24=1.25 My fingers are too fat for their own good! I just tried it setting the file properties frame rate in Vegas to 23.97, and you're right. It does not seem to change playback speed or project length. It seems to "remap" the 30 to 24. You might want to try some render tests to see how this interpolation occours, and if the results are satisfactory (I do not have any 30p footage or I'd try myself....) Let us know how it turns out! Cheers, -Matt __________________ Matt Ockenfels a pixel a day keeps boredom at bay

May 29th, 2005, 03:17 AM	#1701
Andre Andreev Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 98	Yes, use "External video capture application" and select the "C:\Program Files\Sony\Vegas 6.0\VidCap60.EXE" capturing app in Options/Preferences/Video - worked for me. Cheers -- Andre __________________ It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that they are difficult. -- Seneca

May 29th, 2005, 04:48 AM	#1702
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	This has nothing to do with Vegas, but with Windows and the driver for the camera. See the following thread and thread @ Sony they link to: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=45315 __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

May 27th, 2005, 09:48 PM	#1697
DJ Kinney Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 277	You said...30/25=1.25 (or 125%) however, Which is right, but I'm going to 24 frames, not 25. If I were going to 25, the Sound Forge number would make sense, but it's 24. Also, does changing the frame rate in properties change the playback speed? I was pretty sure that it just changes the environment (timeline, generated media, etc) but doesn't change a clip that's imported as 29.97. Thoughts? Thanks again.

May 28th, 2005, 10:20 AM	#1699
Mitch Buss Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 184	How do I do that? Do I have to download something or what is the process to convert it?

May 29th, 2005, 06:41 AM	#1703
Mitch Buss Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 184	can anyone help me with this?

May 29th, 2005, 08:41 AM	#1704
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I thought people HAD helped you with this. You have two basic options: 1) Install the proper codec so that Vegas can properly decode the video 2) Use some other program to translate the video into a standard format that Vegas can see. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

May 29th, 2005, 09:00 AM	#1705
Mitch Buss Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 184	I'm sorry but where do I download the codec from.

May 29th, 2005, 12:49 PM	#1706
Newdjeen Klime Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Location: World Wide Web Posts: 26	Someone has still "clever" ideas? Îê, Dan, go in the Windows Control Panel (Start - > Control Panel), and click the Contour Shuttle Device (or clik on the Shuttle icon on system tray, and choose "Open Control Panel "). It will open Contour Shuttle Device Configuraion. On tab "ShuttlePro v2" (I use v2, but I think in v1 that is same windows) under Application settings window finde the button Options Go To Options -> Import Settings -> and programm prompt you select a specify configuration file. The necessary file is in... (if Vegas installed by default) C:\Program Files\Sony\Vegas 6.0 Specify the file, and enjoy - now you can use you device in Vegas 6. ;-) SonicFoundry, Sony and many other manufacturers always add a configuration file for Shuttle with him Software, becouse driver-Updating leave not often, and add a lot of unnecessary job for Contour Design Sorry 4 my English Happy Editing

May 29th, 2005, 05:46 PM	#1707
Jack Smith Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: ontario Posts: 445	Hi I have done this before and whats been said is correct.Your decreasing the video down from 100% speed to 80%.To match audio your calculating an opposite by increasing the length in Sound Forge so if you look at it like to go from the 80% up tp the 100% you would need to increase the 80% by 125% to get 100% then apply the 125% to the audio length maintaining pitch in Sound Forge.I mention this in case you experiment as I did with various speeds.eg.85% actually looked cool in some situations.

May 29th, 2005, 07:37 PM	#1708
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Personally, I don't use DivX files so I've never tried to locate it. If you do a search for DivX, though, I know it's been discussed MANY times. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

May 30th, 2005, 04:20 PM	#1710
Plamen Petrov Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Sofia Bulgaria Posts: 147	Vegas and .VOB files Hello! My idea was to capture a footage directly to dvd .VOB file /not via Vegas,of course/. Ok,there was not any problem, playing back of this new captured vob file with some media players was ok - there are both audio and video. But when I tried to put the .VOB file on Vegas,only the video track exists. No any audio track! So,is there any way to let Vegas recognize the audio track from a .VOB file??????