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Peter Jefferson · August 21st, 2004, 08:40 AM

okies, i jsut got a sample disc from Digital juice which has some nice clips as well as lower thirds and transitions.. now these are set up as alpha clips in MOV format, but when i import these to Vegas, the onlyhway i can get them to work is if i composite them using a displacement map...
Now basically, im runnin parent child cooomposite mode.. and the "grey" areas (which are supposed to be transparent..) are actaully grey.. now one way around this is to chroma key the grey... bu this doesnt work that well..

err.. to explain this ill be here all night... umm.. ok hows this...

has anyone here used transparent video within vgas? if so, how did u do it??

Id like to use overlays and transition pieces from Digital Juice (like the ones u see in Home Improvement) but wouldnt have the faintest in aheiving this with Vegas,,, a

Any assistance is greatly apreciated!!!!!

Edward Troxel · August 21st, 2004, 09:18 AM

After adding the clip to the timeline, right-click it and choose Properties. Is the proper alpha channel option chosen? If not, choose it and see if it then works properly.

Peter Jefferson · August 21st, 2004, 11:23 AM

ive tried all... nothing like that works.. :(

Peter Jefferson · August 22nd, 2004, 07:07 AM

anyone found a solution??

Edward Troxel · August 22nd, 2004, 11:38 AM

I don't have any of those files to play with. If it has alpha channel, Vegas *should* be able to see it.

Peter Jefferson · August 22nd, 2004, 03:37 PM

yup they do... apparently.. and the closest thing i can come to seeing it is to run it as a composite with displacement map fiiles OR as a chromakeyed piece

Peter Jefferson · August 23rd, 2004, 10:03 AM

spoke to the juice people, and they say that we should run a chromakey on the files.. BUT these must be converted first.. strange..
i still need more info.. not too impressed until i can utilise these..

Jon Omiatek · November 8th, 2005, 01:12 PM

Render your file with Digital Juice's Juicer as a AVI, Import that file into vegas, add it to the timeline, right click it and select properties, then select the media tab and select alpha channel - Straight unmatted.

You should now have just the animation with no background.

Jon

David McKnight · November 8th, 2005, 01:59 PM

DJ used to have a support forum, but it's been down forever. Not sure why. I have some instructions from there (at home, of course) that I will post up later tonight on how to do this with Vegas. If memory serves, you do have to run files through their Juicer app.

Jon Omiatek · November 8th, 2005, 02:57 PM

If you don't run it through the juicer you will have a MOV file which doesn't work well with vegas. At least I can't get it to work with vegas, I have the newest quicktime pro installed as well.

Jon

Peter Jefferson · November 8th, 2005, 03:12 PM

well the juicer doesnt work the way i want it to, expecially considering that the juicr movs i have are from dealer demos... all i want is an uncompressed avi with transperancy..

I tried rerendering from within qt rpo7 and that doesnt work either..

David McKnight · November 8th, 2005, 08:59 PM

Here are a couple of posts that originally came from their support forums (which are currently down) I take no responsibility for this info - it is just something I copied for later use, and I still haven't used it...

First... render your animations with these settings:
720x480
29.97 fps
Lower Fields First
AVI - Full Frames (Uncompressed)
Alpha Embedded

(the above refers to using the Jucier software)

Procedure to apply a ETK2 transitional wipe with Sonic Foundry's Vegas Video:

1) Stack the layers with the wipe on layer 1
2) Click the "up" arrow to make a compositiy child of the 2nd layer
3) Click the Mask FX button to open the dialog box
4) Select Luniance as the type

My alphas don't seem to work when imported. The appear totally black

The alpha needs to be keyed out. You can do this using the following steps:

1) Import the alpha into the timeline.
2) Right click on the alpha layer.
3) Select the Media tab.
4) From the bottom drop-down menu, select the Straight Unmatted alpha setting.
5) Click OK.

Note: Make sure your alpha element is on a layer that is above your video layer in the time line (example, video on layer 2 and lower third on layer 1).

Aaron Ferguson · November 9th, 2005, 09:24 AM

I use .mov files from digital juice in Vegas 5 all the time. Try this:

1) Open the .mov file on the timeline
2) Click on event pan/crop, right click and click "match output aspect" then close the event pan/crop box.
3) Right click on the clip itself, choose "properties" then click the "Media" tab. Go down to the last one where it says Alpha channel and choose "Straight (unmatted)"

Always works for me!
Hope that helps.

Edit: now that I am reading basically what David said in the post above.. that should work!

Newdjeen Klime · November 9th, 2005, 07:32 PM

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August 21st, 2004, 08:40 AM	#1
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	Digital Juice and Vegas okies, i jsut got a sample disc from Digital juice which has some nice clips as well as lower thirds and transitions.. now these are set up as alpha clips in MOV format, but when i import these to Vegas, the onlyhway i can get them to work is if i composite them using a displacement map... Now basically, im runnin parent child cooomposite mode.. and the "grey" areas (which are supposed to be transparent..) are actaully grey.. now one way around this is to chroma key the grey... bu this doesnt work that well.. err.. to explain this ill be here all night... umm.. ok hows this... has anyone here used transparent video within vgas? if so, how did u do it?? Id like to use overlays and transition pieces from Digital Juice (like the ones u see in Home Improvement) but wouldnt have the faintest in aheiving this with Vegas,,, a Any assistance is greatly apreciated!!!!!

August 21st, 2004, 09:18 AM	#2
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	After adding the clip to the timeline, right-click it and choose Properties. Is the proper alpha channel option chosen? If not, choose it and see if it then works properly. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

August 22nd, 2004, 11:38 AM	#5
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I don't have any of those files to play with. If it has alpha channel, Vegas should be able to see it. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

November 8th, 2005, 01:12 PM	#8
Jon Omiatek Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 755	Must Do This Render your file with Digital Juice's Juicer as a AVI, Import that file into vegas, add it to the timeline, right click it and select properties, then select the media tab and select alpha channel - Straight unmatted. You should now have just the animation with no background. Jon

November 9th, 2005, 07:32 PM	#14
Newdjeen Klime Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Location: World Wide Web Posts: 26	Whats happens in http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/7...titled24gi.jpg __________________ Âû õî÷èòå ôèëüìîâ, èõ åñòü ó ìåíÿ

August 21st, 2004, 11:23 AM	#3
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	ive tried all... nothing like that works.. :(

August 22nd, 2004, 07:07 AM	#4
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	anyone found a solution??

August 22nd, 2004, 03:37 PM	#6
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	yup they do... apparently.. and the closest thing i can come to seeing it is to run it as a composite with displacement map fiiles OR as a chromakeyed piece

August 23rd, 2004, 10:03 AM	#7
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	spoke to the juice people, and they say that we should run a chromakey on the files.. BUT these must be converted first.. strange.. i still need more info.. not too impressed until i can utilise these..

November 8th, 2005, 01:59 PM	#9
David McKnight Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Texas City, TX Posts: 39	DJ used to have a support forum, but it's been down forever. Not sure why. I have some instructions from there (at home, of course) that I will post up later tonight on how to do this with Vegas. If memory serves, you do have to run files through their Juicer app.

November 8th, 2005, 02:57 PM	#10
Jon Omiatek Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 755	If you don't run it through the juicer you will have a MOV file which doesn't work well with vegas. At least I can't get it to work with vegas, I have the newest quicktime pro installed as well. Jon

November 8th, 2005, 03:12 PM	#11
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	well the juicer doesnt work the way i want it to, expecially considering that the juicr movs i have are from dealer demos... all i want is an uncompressed avi with transperancy.. I tried rerendering from within qt rpo7 and that doesnt work either..

November 8th, 2005, 08:59 PM	#12
David McKnight Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Texas City, TX Posts: 39	Here are a couple of posts that originally came from their support forums (which are currently down) I take no responsibility for this info - it is just something I copied for later use, and I still haven't used it... First... render your animations with these settings: 720x480 29.97 fps Lower Fields First AVI - Full Frames (Uncompressed) Alpha Embedded (the above refers to using the Jucier software) Procedure to apply a ETK2 transitional wipe with Sonic Foundry's Vegas Video: 1) Stack the layers with the wipe on layer 1 2) Click the "up" arrow to make a compositiy child of the 2nd layer 3) Click the Mask FX button to open the dialog box 4) Select Luniance as the type My alphas don't seem to work when imported. The appear totally black The alpha needs to be keyed out. You can do this using the following steps: 1) Import the alpha into the timeline. 2) Right click on the alpha layer. 3) Select the Media tab. 4) From the bottom drop-down menu, select the Straight Unmatted alpha setting. 5) Click OK. Note: Make sure your alpha element is on a layer that is above your video layer in the time line (example, video on layer 2 and lower third on layer 1).

November 9th, 2005, 09:24 AM	#13
Aaron Ferguson Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Lima, OH Posts: 55	I use .mov files from digital juice in Vegas 5 all the time. Try this: 1) Open the .mov file on the timeline 2) Click on event pan/crop, right click and click "match output aspect" then close the event pan/crop box. 3) Right click on the clip itself, choose "properties" then click the "Media" tab. Go down to the last one where it says Alpha channel and choose "Straight (unmatted)" Always works for me! Hope that helps. Edit: now that I am reading basically what David said in the post above.. that should work!