Vegas 4 and Vegas 5 VEG file compatibility at DVinfo.net

Simon Wyndham · June 28th, 2004, 03:35 AM

I'm going to be working on an edit soon of a feature length DV project. If possible I would like to work on the edit with my co-director, but unfortunately he uses Premiere 6 <spit>. Because swapping VEG files via email for the films edit will be a lot easier than transferring DV footage or exporting EDLs that don't keep track of filenames, tape names etc, as well as many other reasons, I would like us both to use Vegas. I will be buying Vegas 5 soon. Obviously I won't have a need for my Vegas 4 then and so I was thinking of letting him have it.

The problem of course is VEG file compatibility. Can Vegas 4 load VEG files created with Vegas 5, and vice versa? Has anybody tried this?

Edward Troxel · June 28th, 2004, 07:14 AM

Vegas 5 can load files created in Vegas 4. Vegas 4 CANNOT load files created in Vegas 5. You either both need to use Vegas 4 or you both need Vegas 5.

Graham Bernard · June 28th, 2004, 07:43 AM

Edward, what will the saved as EDL txt file do for importing into V4 from a V5 session? EDL *.txt must be very simple .. but could it be used as a "last" resort .. ?

Edward Troxel · June 28th, 2004, 07:53 AM

It might work to a more limited degree but wouldn't be the same as using the same VEG file.

Simon Wyndham · June 28th, 2004, 08:56 AM

Hi Edward,

Thanks for the info.

Do you know how much detail is kept in an EDL file? I know I can't do fancy transitions etc, but our main use for edit transfers would be during the main editing process rather than the finalisation which will be done on one machine. For example, do the EDL files keep a list of the video filenames on the hard drive so that if we have both saved the video files under the same name it can use them?

Edward Troxel · June 28th, 2004, 09:07 AM

I would recommend testing before trying the EDL route. For a test, just export one and look inside. It's a simple text file so you can see exactly what information is being transferred.

Simon Wyndham · June 28th, 2004, 09:18 AM

Yeah. I'll give it a go. As soon as Sonys online store stops giving me an error message when I try to finalise an order!!

Edward Troxel · June 28th, 2004, 10:07 AM

Here's a sample EDL file (3 clips - 5 events each on two tracks)

"ID";"Track";"StartTime";"Length";"PlayRate";"Locked";"Normalized";"StretchMethod";"Looped";"OnRuler ";"MediaType";"FileName";"Stream";"StreamStart";"StreamLength";"FadeTimeIn";"FadeTimeOut";"SustainGa in";"CurveIn";"GainIn";"CurveOut";"GainOut";"Layer";"Color";"CurveInR";"CurveOutR":"PlayPitch";"Lock Pitch"
1; 1; 0.0000; 22422.4000; 1.000000; FALSE; FALSE; 0; TRUE; FALSE; VIDEO; "D:\VMedia\SungaIntro.avi"; 0; 0.0000; 22422.4000; 0.0000; 0.0000; 1.000000; 4; 0.000000; 4; 0.000000; 0; -1; 4; 4; 0.000000; FALSE
2; 1; 22422.4000; 31698.3333; 1.000000; FALSE; FALSE; 0; TRUE; FALSE; VIDEO; "D:\VMedia\testintro.avi"; 0; 0.0000; 31698.3333; 0.0000; 0.0000; 1.000000; 4; 0.000000; 4; 0.000000; 0; -1; 4; 4; 0.000000; FALSE
3; 1; 54120.7333; 27360.6667; 1.000000; FALSE; FALSE; 0; TRUE; FALSE; VIDEO; "D:\VMedia\SungaIntro.avi"; 0; 22422.4000; 27360.6667; 0.0000; 0.0000; 1.000000; 4; 0.000000; 4; 0.000000; 0; -1; 4; 4; 0.000000; FALSE
4; 1; 81481.4000; 2969.6333; 1.000000; FALSE; FALSE; 0; TRUE; FALSE; VIDEO; "D:\VMedia\Untitled.avi"; 0; 0.0000; 2969.6333; 0.0000; 0.0000; 1.000000; 4; 0.000000; 4; 0.000000; 0; -1; 4; 4; 0.000000; FALSE
5; 1; 84451.0333; 24557.8666; 1.000000; FALSE; FALSE; 0; TRUE; FALSE; VIDEO; "D:\VMedia\SungaIntro.avi"; 0; 49783.0667; 24557.8666; 0.0000; 0.0000; 1.000000; 4; 0.000000; 4; 0.000000; 0; -1; 4; 4; 0.000000; FALSE
6; 0; 0.0000; 22422.4000; 1.000000; FALSE; FALSE; 0; TRUE; FALSE; AUDIO; "D:\VMedia\SungaIntro.avi"; 0; 0.0000; 22422.4000; 0.0000; 10.0000; 1.000000; 2; 0.000000; -2; 0.000000; 0; -1; -2; 2; 0.000000; FALSE
7; 0; 22422.4000; 31698.3333; 1.000000; FALSE; FALSE; 0; TRUE; FALSE; AUDIO; "D:\VMedia\testintro.avi"; 0; 0.0000; 31698.3333; 0.0000; 10.0000; 1.000000; 2; 0.000000; -2; 0.000000; 0; -1; -2; 2; 0.000000; FALSE
8; 0; 54120.7333; 27360.6667; 1.000000; FALSE; FALSE; 0; TRUE; FALSE; AUDIO; "D:\VMedia\SungaIntro.avi"; 0; 22422.4000; 27360.6667; 10.0000; 10.0000; 1.000000; 2; 0.000000; -2; 0.000000; 0; -1; -2; 2; 0.000000; FALSE
9; 0; 81481.4000; 2969.6250; 1.000000; FALSE; FALSE; 0; TRUE; FALSE; AUDIO; "D:\VMedia\Untitled.avi"; 0; 0.0000; 2969.6250; 0.0000; 0.0000; 1.000000; 2; 0.000000; -2; 0.000000; 0; -1; -2; 2; 0.000000; FALSE
10; 0; 84451.0333; 24557.8666; 1.000000; FALSE; FALSE; 0; TRUE; FALSE; AUDIO; "D:\VMedia\SungaIntro.avi"; 0; 49783.0667; 24557.8666; 10.0000; 10.0000; 1.000000; 2; 0.000000; -2; 0.000000; 0; -1; -2; 2; 0.000000; FALSE

It seemed to open fine in 4.

Simon Wyndham · June 28th, 2004, 10:13 AM

Excellent thanks! :-)

I just wish that Sony would get their online store sorted out! I've tried what must have been 30 times and I get everything from Error 500-100's to very rarely getting to the confirmation screen but with some error gobbledeegook and no option to complete the order!

Edward Troxel · June 28th, 2004, 10:31 AM

Call Customer Service - they should be able to help you.

Graham Bernard · June 28th, 2004, 10:31 AM

Please to have made the suggestion too! - G

Simon Wyndham · June 30th, 2004, 02:37 AM

Finally got Vegas 5. Very happy with it so far! I didn't realise it came with some of the Magic Bullet looks. Just a shame they are so slow.

Was also happy to find Boris Grafitti LTD with it.

Definitely money well spent.

Now there is just the problem of transferring my 4.0 license over to my colleague since I don't have any use for it anymore.

June 28th, 2004, 03:35 AM	#1
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	Vegas 4 and Vegas 5 VEG file compatibility I'm going to be working on an edit soon of a feature length DV project. If possible I would like to work on the edit with my co-director, but unfortunately he uses Premiere 6 <spit>. Because swapping VEG files via email for the films edit will be a lot easier than transferring DV footage or exporting EDLs that don't keep track of filenames, tape names etc, as well as many other reasons, I would like us both to use Vegas. I will be buying Vegas 5 soon. Obviously I won't have a need for my Vegas 4 then and so I was thinking of letting him have it. The problem of course is VEG file compatibility. Can Vegas 4 load VEG files created with Vegas 5, and vice versa? Has anybody tried this?

June 28th, 2004, 07:14 AM	#2
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Vegas 5 can load files created in Vegas 4. Vegas 4 CANNOT load files created in Vegas 5. You either both need to use Vegas 4 or you both need Vegas 5.

June 28th, 2004, 07:43 AM	#3
Graham Bernard Old Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London UK Posts: 3,633	Edward, what will the saved as EDL txt file do for importing into V4 from a V5 session? EDL *.txt must be very simple .. but could it be used as a "last" resort .. ?

June 28th, 2004, 07:53 AM	#4
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	It might work to a more limited degree but wouldn't be the same as using the same VEG file.

June 28th, 2004, 08:56 AM	#5
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	Hi Edward, Thanks for the info. Do you know how much detail is kept in an EDL file? I know I can't do fancy transitions etc, but our main use for edit transfers would be during the main editing process rather than the finalisation which will be done on one machine. For example, do the EDL files keep a list of the video filenames on the hard drive so that if we have both saved the video files under the same name it can use them?

June 28th, 2004, 09:07 AM	#6
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I would recommend testing before trying the EDL route. For a test, just export one and look inside. It's a simple text file so you can see exactly what information is being transferred.

June 28th, 2004, 09:18 AM	#7
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	Yeah. I'll give it a go. As soon as Sonys online store stops giving me an error message when I try to finalise an order!!

June 28th, 2004, 10:07 AM	#8
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Here's a sample EDL file (3 clips - 5 events each on two tracks) "ID";"Track";"StartTime";"Length";"PlayRate";"Locked";"Normalized";"StretchMethod";"Looped";"OnRuler ";"MediaType";"FileName";"Stream";"StreamStart";"StreamLength";"FadeTimeIn";"FadeTimeOut";"SustainGa in";"CurveIn";"GainIn";"CurveOut";"GainOut";"Layer";"Color";"CurveInR";"CurveOutR":"PlayPitch";"Lock Pitch" 1; 1; 0.0000; 22422.4000; 1.000000; FALSE; FALSE; 0; TRUE; FALSE; VIDEO; "D:\VMedia\SungaIntro.avi"; 0; 0.0000; 22422.4000; 0.0000; 0.0000; 1.000000; 4; 0.000000; 4; 0.000000; 0; -1; 4; 4; 0.000000; FALSE 2; 1; 22422.4000; 31698.3333; 1.000000; FALSE; FALSE; 0; TRUE; FALSE; VIDEO; "D:\VMedia\testintro.avi"; 0; 0.0000; 31698.3333; 0.0000; 0.0000; 1.000000; 4; 0.000000; 4; 0.000000; 0; -1; 4; 4; 0.000000; FALSE 3; 1; 54120.7333; 27360.6667; 1.000000; FALSE; FALSE; 0; TRUE; FALSE; VIDEO; "D:\VMedia\SungaIntro.avi"; 0; 22422.4000; 27360.6667; 0.0000; 0.0000; 1.000000; 4; 0.000000; 4; 0.000000; 0; -1; 4; 4; 0.000000; FALSE 4; 1; 81481.4000; 2969.6333; 1.000000; FALSE; FALSE; 0; TRUE; FALSE; VIDEO; "D:\VMedia\Untitled.avi"; 0; 0.0000; 2969.6333; 0.0000; 0.0000; 1.000000; 4; 0.000000; 4; 0.000000; 0; -1; 4; 4; 0.000000; FALSE 5; 1; 84451.0333; 24557.8666; 1.000000; FALSE; FALSE; 0; TRUE; FALSE; VIDEO; "D:\VMedia\SungaIntro.avi"; 0; 49783.0667; 24557.8666; 0.0000; 0.0000; 1.000000; 4; 0.000000; 4; 0.000000; 0; -1; 4; 4; 0.000000; FALSE 6; 0; 0.0000; 22422.4000; 1.000000; FALSE; FALSE; 0; TRUE; FALSE; AUDIO; "D:\VMedia\SungaIntro.avi"; 0; 0.0000; 22422.4000; 0.0000; 10.0000; 1.000000; 2; 0.000000; -2; 0.000000; 0; -1; -2; 2; 0.000000; FALSE 7; 0; 22422.4000; 31698.3333; 1.000000; FALSE; FALSE; 0; TRUE; FALSE; AUDIO; "D:\VMedia\testintro.avi"; 0; 0.0000; 31698.3333; 0.0000; 10.0000; 1.000000; 2; 0.000000; -2; 0.000000; 0; -1; -2; 2; 0.000000; FALSE 8; 0; 54120.7333; 27360.6667; 1.000000; FALSE; FALSE; 0; TRUE; FALSE; AUDIO; "D:\VMedia\SungaIntro.avi"; 0; 22422.4000; 27360.6667; 10.0000; 10.0000; 1.000000; 2; 0.000000; -2; 0.000000; 0; -1; -2; 2; 0.000000; FALSE 9; 0; 81481.4000; 2969.6250; 1.000000; FALSE; FALSE; 0; TRUE; FALSE; AUDIO; "D:\VMedia\Untitled.avi"; 0; 0.0000; 2969.6250; 0.0000; 0.0000; 1.000000; 2; 0.000000; -2; 0.000000; 0; -1; -2; 2; 0.000000; FALSE 10; 0; 84451.0333; 24557.8666; 1.000000; FALSE; FALSE; 0; TRUE; FALSE; AUDIO; "D:\VMedia\SungaIntro.avi"; 0; 49783.0667; 24557.8666; 10.0000; 10.0000; 1.000000; 2; 0.000000; -2; 0.000000; 0; -1; -2; 2; 0.000000; FALSE It seemed to open fine in 4.

June 28th, 2004, 10:13 AM	#9
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	Excellent thanks! :-) I just wish that Sony would get their online store sorted out! I've tried what must have been 30 times and I get everything from Error 500-100's to very rarely getting to the confirmation screen but with some error gobbledeegook and no option to complete the order!

June 28th, 2004, 10:31 AM	#10
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Call Customer Service - they should be able to help you.

June 30th, 2004, 02:37 AM	#12
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	Finally got Vegas 5. Very happy with it so far! I didn't realise it came with some of the Magic Bullet looks. Just a shame they are so slow. Was also happy to find Boris Grafitti LTD with it. Definitely money well spent. Now there is just the problem of transferring my 4.0 license over to my colleague since I don't have any use for it anymore.