Vegas Video?

Josh Bass · August 29th, 2002, 11:46 PM

Unless, I'm wrong, Avid DV Xpress is PC only. . .there was a big debacle about it. Vegas Video is good, my only gripe is the fact that the scrub tool SUCKS.

Also, if you're ever planning to do the big time stuff (with film, and such), VV doesn't do batch lists and EDLs and the like.

Jason Wood · August 30th, 2002, 12:04 AM

As of v3.5 Xpress DV is cross platform (MAC and PC) all in one box.

Josh Bass · August 30th, 2002, 03:49 AM

Ah. . .did not know that! Well, like I said, it's all about what you want to do. Vegas Video is substantially cheaper, and not at all a bad editor. You can still edit just about anything in the world on there, including your own feature length film, if you desire--it's just that you will probably have to stay digital, without going to film, and use the program for all offline and online editing.

Also, I say again it has a worthless scrub tool. My editing technique sometimes involves playing the beginning of a clip over and over to see how much I can cut off without clipping the beginning of a word (also useful for determining exactly where audio ends), and it's harder to do this when you can't just run the playhead over the clip and instantly hear the sound--all other NLEs that I've worked with allow this; I can't imagine why Vegas Video doesn't. Sorry for the redundancy.

Bill Ravens · August 30th, 2002, 06:28 AM

Josh...

Your complaint with VV3 can be easily and cheaply remedied. For about 100 bucks you can get a Countour ShuttlePro which makes the scrub process just like the old VCR tape editors. A wheel allows frame by frame, with audio, scrubbing or a multiple frame scrub at whatever speed you choose. Try it, you'll like it.

Dylan Couper · August 30th, 2002, 08:25 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by AaronKoolen : I like VV3 and find it really intuitive and performance is really nice. One question though. If I was going to learn an NLE program, just so I would have skills enough that I might be able to get bits of work editing for people, would Avid DV Xpress be a better choice? Is it the software of choice for PC's? And from what I've heard it's pretty populare on the Mac too so you would have skills that you could use on other the other most popular platform. -->>>

To answer your question brielfly, Avid DVX would be a better choice if you want to impress people with what software you know. It is the more advanced PC NLE It isn't the most popular NLE for PCs though. That award would have to go to Premiere, which probably outsells Avid at least 50 to 1 (ok, so they give it away free alot too).
In the end, if you want to get work for other people, a kick ass demo reel will make more difference than what software you use.

Rick O'Brien · August 30th, 2002, 10:33 AM

Vegas is a program that can certainly be used in a business to make professional quality video.
I do just that every day.
Avid Xpress is a very good program and is also capable of making great quality video.

Software is a personal choice.
Yes you may get certain Kudos for learning and using Avid software.
You will also pay more than twice the amount than Vegas.
Is Avid express twice as good?

I would say No, not yet.

It also depends on the type of work you intend to do.
If it is long form documentary or Indy Film than Avid is a better choice in my opinion.
Otherwise I would rather use Vegas.

Just some thoughts.

Josh Bass · August 30th, 2002, 11:46 AM

I've heard of that shuttle dealy . . .maybe I'll try one.

Chris Hurd · August 30th, 2002, 12:39 PM

Check out the Shuttle Pro at http://www.contouravs.com/cav_shuttlepro_info.html -- well worth the $100 plus you can freely download whatever drivers you need for it, including Vegas Video 2 & 3.

Don Parrish · September 9th, 2002, 06:10 AM

Looks like I am a new owner of VV3 also. It should arrive in a couple of days and I am looking for a basic learning tool. Vast tour sounds great but I would like some very basic stuff under my belt first. Anyone have any ideas for basic learning of VV3. Hints and suggestions would be appreciated. I believe the book is extra if I read sonics website correctly?

Bill Ravens · September 9th, 2002, 07:01 AM

The best way to learv VV3 us to go thru the many tutotials offered over at www.creativecow.com

Marc Betz · September 9th, 2002, 12:32 PM

Also go to digitalvideoediting.com and click the techniques tab and go through the archives (a link at the bottom of the page) there are several task specific tutorials with examples and .veg files you can download and play with.

Actually I just went and got the link, it's faster than you trying to hunt for it.

http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/cgi-bin/showarchivedindex.cgi?id=90&start=30&end=50

Go through the other techniques as well, there is some great stuff on that site.

Oh and here is a great one on effects and velocity envelopes you can have fun with. If you download the .zip files it has the article a .wmf of the project and the .veg that you can open and modify to get a feel for vegas video.

http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/2002/02_feb/tutorials/vegas_velocity.htm

You'll need vegas installed to play with the .veg files

Edward Troxel · September 9th, 2002, 12:54 PM

Finally, make sure you download and install the LATEST version (now at 3.0c). You actually don't need to install the CD, just install the download and enter the serial number in the box.

August 29th, 2002, 11:46 PM	#16
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Unless, I'm wrong, Avid DV Xpress is PC only. . .there was a big debacle about it. Vegas Video is good, my only gripe is the fact that the scrub tool SUCKS. Also, if you're ever planning to do the big time stuff (with film, and such), VV doesn't do batch lists and EDLs and the like. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

August 30th, 2002, 03:49 AM	#18
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Ah. . .did not know that! Well, like I said, it's all about what you want to do. Vegas Video is substantially cheaper, and not at all a bad editor. You can still edit just about anything in the world on there, including your own feature length film, if you desire--it's just that you will probably have to stay digital, without going to film, and use the program for all offline and online editing. Also, I say again it has a worthless scrub tool. My editing technique sometimes involves playing the beginning of a clip over and over to see how much I can cut off without clipping the beginning of a word (also useful for determining exactly where audio ends), and it's harder to do this when you can't just run the playhead over the clip and instantly hear the sound--all other NLEs that I've worked with allow this; I can't imagine why Vegas Video doesn't. Sorry for the redundancy. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

August 30th, 2002, 10:33 AM	#21
Rick O'Brien Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 36	Vegas is a program that can certainly be used in a business to make professional quality video. I do just that every day. Avid Xpress is a very good program and is also capable of making great quality video. Software is a personal choice. Yes you may get certain Kudos for learning and using Avid software. You will also pay more than twice the amount than Vegas. Is Avid express twice as good? I would say No, not yet. It also depends on the type of work you intend to do. If it is long form documentary or Indy Film than Avid is a better choice in my opinion. Otherwise I would rather use Vegas. Just some thoughts. __________________ Rick O'Brien -Multimedia Producer See the NLE Motherboard configuration site. www.2behold.com/NLE.htm -Stable working systems motherboard configurations-

August 30th, 2002, 11:46 AM	#22
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	I've heard of that shuttle dealy . . .maybe I'll try one. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

August 30th, 2002, 12:39 PM	#23
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Check out the Shuttle Pro at http://www.contouravs.com/cav_shuttlepro_info.html -- well worth the $100 plus you can freely download whatever drivers you need for it, including Vegas Video 2 & 3. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

August 30th, 2002, 12:04 AM	#17
Jason Wood Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 87	As of v3.5 Xpress DV is cross platform (MAC and PC) all in one box.

August 30th, 2002, 06:28 AM	#19
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	Josh... Your complaint with VV3 can be easily and cheaply remedied. For about 100 bucks you can get a Countour ShuttlePro which makes the scrub process just like the old VCR tape editors. A wheel allows frame by frame, with audio, scrubbing or a multiple frame scrub at whatever speed you choose. Try it, you'll like it.

August 30th, 2002, 08:25 AM	#20
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	<<<-- Originally posted by AaronKoolen : I like VV3 and find it really intuitive and performance is really nice. One question though. If I was going to learn an NLE program, just so I would have skills enough that I might be able to get bits of work editing for people, would Avid DV Xpress be a better choice? Is it the software of choice for PC's? And from what I've heard it's pretty populare on the Mac too so you would have skills that you could use on other the other most popular platform. -->>> To answer your question brielfly, Avid DVX would be a better choice if you want to impress people with what software you know. It is the more advanced PC NLE It isn't the most popular NLE for PCs though. That award would have to go to Premiere, which probably outsells Avid at least 50 to 1 (ok, so they give it away free alot too). In the end, if you want to get work for other people, a kick ass demo reel will make more difference than what software you use.

September 9th, 2002, 06:10 AM	#24
Don Parrish Major Player Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tavares Fla Posts: 541	Looks like I am a new owner of VV3 also. It should arrive in a couple of days and I am looking for a basic learning tool. Vast tour sounds great but I would like some very basic stuff under my belt first. Anyone have any ideas for basic learning of VV3. Hints and suggestions would be appreciated. I believe the book is extra if I read sonics website correctly?

September 9th, 2002, 07:01 AM	#25
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	The best way to learv VV3 us to go thru the many tutotials offered over at www.creativecow.com

September 9th, 2002, 12:32 PM	#26
Marc Betz Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: NH Posts: 95	Also go to digitalvideoediting.com and click the techniques tab and go through the archives (a link at the bottom of the page) there are several task specific tutorials with examples and .veg files you can download and play with. Actually I just went and got the link, it's faster than you trying to hunt for it. http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/cgi-bin/showarchivedindex.cgi?id=90&start=30&end=50 Go through the other techniques as well, there is some great stuff on that site. Oh and here is a great one on effects and velocity envelopes you can have fun with. If you download the .zip files it has the article a .wmf of the project and the .veg that you can open and modify to get a feel for vegas video. http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/2002/02_feb/tutorials/vegas_velocity.htm You'll need vegas installed to play with the .veg files __________________ Marc Betz

September 9th, 2002, 12:54 PM	#27
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Finally, make sure you download and install the LATEST version (now at 3.0c). You actually don't need to install the CD, just install the download and enter the serial number in the box.