More Vegas 5 at NAB - News Posted

Will Fastie · April 6th, 2004, 08:36 AM

Bill, do you mean DVD Workshop 2? If so, I tend to agree and that's probably where I'm headed if DVDA2 misses the mark.

As for price, competition is extremely heavy at this price point (Adobe, Pinnacle, Canopus, Ulead). Hard to imagine too big a price jump or any at all. If I was Sony, I'd want to lock in the current base before I started mucking with the price. After that, fair game, but I'd still be interested in market share.

Will

Bill Ravens · April 6th, 2004, 08:38 AM

yep...DVD workshop 2. sorry for the mis-info

Glen Elliott · April 6th, 2004, 08:45 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Will Fastie : Bill, do you mean DVD Workshop 2? If so, I tend to agree and that's probably where I'm headed if DVDA2 misses the mark.
I, personally, would like to see two things- end actions and multi camera angle support.

As for price, competition is extremely heavy at this price point (Adobe, Pinnacle, Canopus, Ulead). Hard to imagine too big a price jump or any at all. If I was Sony, I'd want to lock in the current base before I started mucking with the price. After that, fair game, but I'd still be interested in market share.
I don't know- if Sony priced it even "similar" to the rest (Adobe, Canopus, etc) expect a large price increase. If so I'll probably be spending the same amount on the "upgrade" as I did on Vegas+DVD itself.

Will Fastie · April 6th, 2004, 09:08 AM

Glen, I'm after DVD-9 (dual-layer) support and DLT support (although I wish the DVD replicators would come up with a way to take a DVD stream off a set of burned DVDs instead of requiring tape).

Sony's current price is $400 to upgrade from Vegas 3 to Vegas+DVD and $300 to upgrade from V4 to V+D. I'm wondering about the price for the upgrade from Vegas 4 to Vegas+DVD 5.

As for competition:
Vegas+DVD = $900
Ulead MediaStudio Pro + DVD Workshop = $1,000
Adobe Premiere + Encore DVD + Audition = $1,550 (or the Collection bundle for $1,500)
Pinnacle Liquid Edition 5.5 + Impression = $900 (not clear to me if this matches Vegas or Audition for sound)
Canopus Edius + Procoder = $1,000 (not clear to me if this gives full DVD authoring, but I don't think so)

Sony clearly undercuts the competition on price, the best way to build market share. But I guess there is a little bit of wiggle room.

Will

Bill Ravens · April 6th, 2004, 09:16 AM

Will..

I can't answer your q's re: Ulead MSP. However, I suggest you contact Douglas Spotted Eagle, either at www.sundancemediagroup.com or over as a moderator on the audio forum, here at DVinfo. He's VERY familiar with MSP.

Joe Carney · April 6th, 2004, 09:44 AM

folks, it may have been bad form, but not bad motives.

He is referencing the official user support forum for Vegas.
If you are not a member there, how come? Sony support employees hang out there, Spot, myself and just about every Vegas user has an account there, and if not, they should.

I also have Acid Pro and Soundforge and go there to post and read posts. Great source for info on scripting and plug-ins too.

really folks, jeez.

Edward Troxel · April 6th, 2004, 10:04 AM

Joe, I agree. Jay's motives are good.

Peter Jefferson · April 6th, 2004, 08:58 PM

Ive requested for a mod to edit this thread.

My apologies to those who misinterpreted my post, it wasnt meant to blow out the way it did, as it was as general comment,

I wasnt expecting it to turn ugly

I believe it was a reasonable comment based on the information provided at the time.

Rob Lohman · April 7th, 2004, 03:51 AM

Thanks a lot Jay! That IS much appreciated. That you are allowed
to tape the event and put it online for us sad people who can't
attend is very very good news and I thank you for it. Can't wait
to see what is going to get released. Too bad I can't be @ NAB
myself unless Sony wants to fly me up <g>

Thanks Jay!

Jay Mitchell · April 7th, 2004, 02:05 PM

Rob,

We've got a team of 5 SoCal Vegas Users who are going make this happen for all of you.

The Stream will most likely be broadcast on Tuesday the 20th.

I will post more details and instructions for picking up the stream, once we have worked out all of the details.

Jay Mitchell

Peter Jefferson · April 8th, 2004, 02:03 AM

Thanks for the efforts in getting this out,
do you know if there will be a downloadable mpg of this?
Might make it easier for dial up users as well as those who are off a different time zone

David Mintzer · April 10th, 2004, 02:16 PM

Good Work JJJJJJJJJJJaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy! Let us know as soon as you have the url for the streaming! Jay isn't going to have any time to gamble--isn't that a primary reason for going ot NAB--LOL

Jay Mitchell · April 10th, 2004, 06:56 PM

Actually David - Vegas Takes The Gamble Out Of Editing :-)

--Jay Mitchell

Jason Casey · April 15th, 2004, 03:49 PM

"wish the DVD replicators would come up with a way to take a DVD stream off a set of burned DVDs instead of requiring tape)."

Actually many replicators these days accept DVD-R's as source masters for glass mastering and then replication.

Will Fastie · April 15th, 2004, 06:01 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Jason Casey : Actually many replicators these days accept DVD-R's as source masters for glass mastering and then replication. -->>>

For DVD-9 (i.e., dual-layer)? Are you talking about DVD-R general media or (I forget what the other one is called) mastering/authoring?

Will

April 7th, 2004, 03:51 AM	#24
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April 15th, 2004, 03:49 PM	#29
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April 6th, 2004, 08:36 AM	#16
Will Fastie Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Jarrettsville, MD Posts: 353	Bill, do you mean DVD Workshop 2? If so, I tend to agree and that's probably where I'm headed if DVDA2 misses the mark. As for price, competition is extremely heavy at this price point (Adobe, Pinnacle, Canopus, Ulead). Hard to imagine too big a price jump or any at all. If I was Sony, I'd want to lock in the current base before I started mucking with the price. After that, fair game, but I'd still be interested in market share. Will

April 6th, 2004, 08:38 AM	#17
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	yep...DVD workshop 2. sorry for the mis-info

April 6th, 2004, 08:45 AM	#18
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	<<<-- Originally posted by Will Fastie : Bill, do you mean DVD Workshop 2? If so, I tend to agree and that's probably where I'm headed if DVDA2 misses the mark. I, personally, would like to see two things- end actions and multi camera angle support. As for price, competition is extremely heavy at this price point (Adobe, Pinnacle, Canopus, Ulead). Hard to imagine too big a price jump or any at all. If I was Sony, I'd want to lock in the current base before I started mucking with the price. After that, fair game, but I'd still be interested in market share. I don't know- if Sony priced it even "similar" to the rest (Adobe, Canopus, etc) expect a large price increase. If so I'll probably be spending the same amount on the "upgrade" as I did on Vegas+DVD itself.

April 6th, 2004, 09:08 AM	#19
Will Fastie Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Jarrettsville, MD Posts: 353	Glen, I'm after DVD-9 (dual-layer) support and DLT support (although I wish the DVD replicators would come up with a way to take a DVD stream off a set of burned DVDs instead of requiring tape). Sony's current price is $400 to upgrade from Vegas 3 to Vegas+DVD and $300 to upgrade from V4 to V+D. I'm wondering about the price for the upgrade from Vegas 4 to Vegas+DVD 5. As for competition: Vegas+DVD = $900 Ulead MediaStudio Pro + DVD Workshop = $1,000 Adobe Premiere + Encore DVD + Audition = $1,550 (or the Collection bundle for $1,500) Pinnacle Liquid Edition 5.5 + Impression = $900 (not clear to me if this matches Vegas or Audition for sound) Canopus Edius + Procoder = $1,000 (not clear to me if this gives full DVD authoring, but I don't think so) Sony clearly undercuts the competition on price, the best way to build market share. But I guess there is a little bit of wiggle room. Will

April 6th, 2004, 09:16 AM	#20
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	Will.. I can't answer your q's re: Ulead MSP. However, I suggest you contact Douglas Spotted Eagle, either at www.sundancemediagroup.com or over as a moderator on the audio forum, here at DVinfo. He's VERY familiar with MSP.

April 6th, 2004, 09:44 AM	#21
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	folks, it may have been bad form, but not bad motives. He is referencing the official user support forum for Vegas. If you are not a member there, how come? Sony support employees hang out there, Spot, myself and just about every Vegas user has an account there, and if not, they should. I also have Acid Pro and Soundforge and go there to post and read posts. Great source for info on scripting and plug-ins too. really folks, jeez.

April 6th, 2004, 10:04 AM	#22
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Joe, I agree. Jay's motives are good.

April 6th, 2004, 08:58 PM	#23
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	Ive requested for a mod to edit this thread. My apologies to those who misinterpreted my post, it wasnt meant to blow out the way it did, as it was as general comment, I wasnt expecting it to turn ugly I believe it was a reasonable comment based on the information provided at the time.

April 7th, 2004, 02:05 PM	#25
Jay Mitchell Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 40	Rob, We've got a team of 5 SoCal Vegas Users who are going make this happen for all of you. The Stream will most likely be broadcast on Tuesday the 20th. I will post more details and instructions for picking up the stream, once we have worked out all of the details. Jay Mitchell

April 8th, 2004, 02:03 AM	#26
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	Thanks for the efforts in getting this out, do you know if there will be a downloadable mpg of this? Might make it easier for dial up users as well as those who are off a different time zone

April 10th, 2004, 02:16 PM	#27
David Mintzer Rextilleon Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pleasantville, NY Posts: 520	Good Work JJJJJJJJJJJaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy! Let us know as soon as you have the url for the streaming! Jay isn't going to have any time to gamble--isn't that a primary reason for going ot NAB--LOL

April 10th, 2004, 06:56 PM	#28
Jay Mitchell Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 40	Actually David - Vegas Takes The Gamble Out Of Editing :-) --Jay Mitchell

April 15th, 2004, 06:01 PM	#30
Will Fastie Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Jarrettsville, MD Posts: 353	<<<-- Originally posted by Jason Casey : Actually many replicators these days accept DVD-R's as source masters for glass mastering and then replication. -->>> For DVD-9 (i.e., dual-layer)? Are you talking about DVD-R general media or (I forget what the other one is called) mastering/authoring? Will