Vegas 9 drama continues at DVinfo.net

Jeff Harper · July 7th, 2009, 02:12 PM

Ok, I thought I had seen a reference to this in another post...but I'll post it anyway; this is too good (or bad) to not post.

Project #1, done in Vegas 8. I accidentally open it in Vegas 9.

At the end of the movie on the timeline the text was wrong.

It actually had the text that was at the end of a completely different project. How in the blazes this could happen I cannot even begin to guess. Actually, I don't want to know.

I realized I had seen this reported and closed Vegas 9, reopened in 8 and all is well. Luckily I did not save project in 9 or I couldn't have reopened it in 8 ever again.

I just finished the Vegas 9 project I had been working on. I pray the customer is happy because the day that I have to use Vegas 9 again will be an unhappy day.

Danny Fye · July 7th, 2009, 11:06 PM

Well, for me it is getting to be a mix of versions.

I tried to render an AVCHD file with '8' and it crashed as in stopping about 90% or whatever it was and would not continue. No CPU usage or anything.

I opened the project with '9' and it worked fine.

I later did a test capture with '9' and it crashed Windows Explorer when I closed it. No problem with '8'.

So, depending on what I want to do, I will use '8' for some projects and '9' for others.

Hopefully '9A' will solve some of these issues and I can finally settle on just it and not have to do all of this strange stuff.

Danny Fye
VidMus Video - Music Productions

Ian Stark · July 8th, 2009, 05:00 AM

I don't suppose it's possible in v9 to 'Save As' v8?

I know it's a long shot but I have a guy who is about to start working for me as an editor and he has v9 (which I am not touching until at least 9.0a).

Jeff Harper · July 8th, 2009, 05:22 AM

Don't think so Ian, but I could be wrong.

Edward Troxel · July 8th, 2009, 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian Stark

I don't suppose it's possible in v9 to 'Save As' v8?

No, that is not possible.

I do know that 9.0a will be coming. I just can't say exactly when (honestly, I don't know exactly when).

Mike Kujbida · July 8th, 2009, 07:15 AM

No Jeff, you're not wrong.
Vegas has never been backward compatible, only forward.
Having said that, I've had some success with saving a newer version out as an EDL file and then opening it in an older version.
As I recall, things like Generated Media didn't copy over to the older version but most other things did.
You also have to make sure that you don't use any plugins or other FX that the other user doesn't have as Vegas will not warn you, it just simply won't work.

Ian Stark · July 8th, 2009, 09:56 AM

Thought not. I'm waiting to hear if he has a version of 8 that he can use!

Regarding third party filters, I'm pretty sure that when I have opened up a project on my laptop (which doesn't have all the plugins that the main pc has) I have received a warning saying that the plugin could not be found (or words to that effect). In fact I am almost certain of that - or am I mistaken and thinking of another app?

Edward Troxel · July 8th, 2009, 10:50 AM

You are correct. If you open a VEG file that included effects you don't have, it will pop up a warning that an effect is missing. You won't know WHAT effect (it just pops up the long unique ID string) - but you will know it's missing.

Ian Stark · July 8th, 2009, 11:14 AM

Thanks for clearing that up, Edward.

I thought for a moment that I was confusing it with Cakewalk Sonar (which I use for audio). In Sonar you get the plugin ID'd though. You'd think that the plugin ID would be contained in the .veg so that Vegas could specify which one was missing. Maybe it is and Sony just hasn't used it.

Good news is that my new guy still has v8 so we can exchange to our hearts content!

ps, Mike - sorry to call you out on that one - just wanted to get rid of any confusion as at first I read your post as suggesting Vegas will not work under those circumstances, which I'm sure you weren't intending to say!

Mike Kujbida · July 8th, 2009, 11:23 AM

No problem Ian. I'm always willing to be corrected about Vegas issues that I mess up on.
I didn't mean to imply that Vegas wouldn't work, only the affected clip.
I'm positive though that I spoke to someone recently who experienced exactly what I'm talking about.
Since I can't remember the details, I'll write it off to "sometimers disease".
You know, "some times I remember and some times I don't".

:-)

Ian Stark · July 8th, 2009, 11:27 AM

Yeah, I get that too . . . frequently!

Edward Troxel · July 8th, 2009, 12:22 PM

Ian, it will display a list of IDs for the effects that are missing. Unfortunately, there is no way to associate that back to figure exactly WHAT effect that was short of going back to the original machine and searching through the registry.

Ian Stark · July 8th, 2009, 12:28 PM

Sorry Edward, my poor wording. By 'ID' I meant 'name', and my point was that I wondered if the 'name' of the filter was stored in the .veg. Clearly not. Thanks for the explanation.

Eugene Kosarovich · July 8th, 2009, 08:16 PM

Be careful with Vegas Pro 8 veg files in Vegas Pro 9...

I had this couple minute long project made of just a ton of HDV clips cut together. It was exactly how I wanted it in Vegas Pro 8. I opened it in Vegas Pro 9 expecting to play the same project. Well... It was the same project, but my HDV clips were offset by two frames. I could literally compare the same project in 8 and 9 and see two frames of difference by looking at the start or end of a clip. And since that two frames difference sometimes was a different scene, I really noticed it. Oh, and even freakier, the media time code matched in both versions, even though they were NOT the same frames.

It's with SCS engineering now.

Jeff Harper · July 8th, 2009, 08:28 PM

I can only surmise the code in Vegas 9 was poorly written. Mind you I wouldn't know a line of code if I saw it.

But I know if a webpage's HTML is written poorly that it could work fine in some cases and in other cases the page might display in an unintended manner.

There must be a right way and wrong way to right code, and I'm wondering if this is the issue.

July 7th, 2009, 11:06 PM	#2
Danny Fye Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Independence MO. Posts: 318	Well, for me it is getting to be a mix of versions. I tried to render an AVCHD file with '8' and it crashed as in stopping about 90% or whatever it was and would not continue. No CPU usage or anything. I opened the project with '9' and it worked fine. I later did a test capture with '9' and it crashed Windows Explorer when I closed it. No problem with '8'. So, depending on what I want to do, I will use '8' for some projects and '9' for others. Hopefully '9A' will solve some of these issues and I can finally settle on just it and not have to do all of this strange stuff. Danny Fye VidMus Video - Music Productions __________________ www.dannyfye.com

July 8th, 2009, 05:00 AM	#3
Ian Stark Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,237	I don't suppose it's possible in v9 to 'Save As' v8? I know it's a long shot but I have a guy who is about to start working for me as an editor and he has v9 (which I am not touching until at least 9.0a). __________________ www.vit-media.com www.classicmachinefilms.co.uk

July 8th, 2009, 09:56 AM	#7
Ian Stark Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,237	Thought not. I'm waiting to hear if he has a version of 8 that he can use! Regarding third party filters, I'm pretty sure that when I have opened up a project on my laptop (which doesn't have all the plugins that the main pc has) I have received a warning saying that the plugin could not be found (or words to that effect). In fact I am almost certain of that - or am I mistaken and thinking of another app? __________________ www.vit-media.com www.classicmachinefilms.co.uk

July 8th, 2009, 10:50 AM	#8
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	You are correct. If you open a VEG file that included effects you don't have, it will pop up a warning that an effect is missing. You won't know WHAT effect (it just pops up the long unique ID string) - but you will know it's missing. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

July 8th, 2009, 11:14 AM	#9
Ian Stark Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,237	Thanks for clearing that up, Edward. I thought for a moment that I was confusing it with Cakewalk Sonar (which I use for audio). In Sonar you get the plugin ID'd though. You'd think that the plugin ID would be contained in the .veg so that Vegas could specify which one was missing. Maybe it is and Sony just hasn't used it. Good news is that my new guy still has v8 so we can exchange to our hearts content! ps, Mike - sorry to call you out on that one - just wanted to get rid of any confusion as at first I read your post as suggesting Vegas will not work under those circumstances, which I'm sure you weren't intending to say! __________________ www.vit-media.com www.classicmachinefilms.co.uk

July 7th, 2009, 02:12 PM	#1
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Vegas 9 drama continues Ok, I thought I had seen a reference to this in another post...but I'll post it anyway; this is too good (or bad) to not post. Project #1, done in Vegas 8. I accidentally open it in Vegas 9. At the end of the movie on the timeline the text was wrong. It actually had the text that was at the end of a completely different project. How in the blazes this could happen I cannot even begin to guess. Actually, I don't want to know. I realized I had seen this reported and closed Vegas 9, reopened in 8 and all is well. Luckily I did not save project in 9 or I couldn't have reopened it in 8 ever again. I just finished the Vegas 9 project I had been working on. I pray the customer is happy because the day that I have to use Vegas 9 again will be an unhappy day. Last edited by Jeff Harper; July 8th, 2009 at 07:13 AM.

July 8th, 2009, 05:22 AM	#4
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Don't think so Ian, but I could be wrong.

July 8th, 2009, 07:15 AM	#6
Mike Kujbida Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Windsor, ON Canada Posts: 2,770	No Jeff, you're not wrong. Vegas has never been backward compatible, only forward. Having said that, I've had some success with saving a newer version out as an EDL file and then opening it in an older version. As I recall, things like Generated Media didn't copy over to the older version but most other things did. You also have to make sure that you don't use any plugins or other FX that the other user doesn't have as Vegas will not warn you, it just simply won't work.

July 8th, 2009, 11:23 AM	#10
Mike Kujbida Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Windsor, ON Canada Posts: 2,770	No problem Ian. I'm always willing to be corrected about Vegas issues that I mess up on. I didn't mean to imply that Vegas wouldn't work, only the affected clip. I'm positive though that I spoke to someone recently who experienced exactly what I'm talking about. Since I can't remember the details, I'll write it off to "sometimers disease". You know, "some times I remember and some times I don't". :-)

July 8th, 2009, 11:27 AM	#11
Ian Stark Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,237	Yeah, I get that too . . . frequently! __________________ www.vit-media.com www.classicmachinefilms.co.uk

July 8th, 2009, 12:22 PM	#12
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Ian, it will display a list of IDs for the effects that are missing. Unfortunately, there is no way to associate that back to figure exactly WHAT effect that was short of going back to the original machine and searching through the registry. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

July 8th, 2009, 12:28 PM	#13
Ian Stark Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,237	Sorry Edward, my poor wording. By 'ID' I meant 'name', and my point was that I wondered if the 'name' of the filter was stored in the .veg. Clearly not. Thanks for the explanation. __________________ www.vit-media.com www.classicmachinefilms.co.uk

July 8th, 2009, 08:16 PM	#14
Eugene Kosarovich Taken away too young... rest in peace Eugene Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Albany, NY Posts: 161	Be careful with Vegas Pro 8 veg files in Vegas Pro 9... I had this couple minute long project made of just a ton of HDV clips cut together. It was exactly how I wanted it in Vegas Pro 8. I opened it in Vegas Pro 9 expecting to play the same project. Well... It was the same project, but my HDV clips were offset by two frames. I could literally compare the same project in 8 and 9 and see two frames of difference by looking at the start or end of a clip. And since that two frames difference sometimes was a different scene, I really noticed it. Oh, and even freakier, the media time code matched in both versions, even though they were NOT the same frames. It's with SCS engineering now. __________________ Scorpio Productions PDW-F335, PDW-U1, Vegas Pro 9.0b

July 8th, 2009, 08:28 PM	#15
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	I can only surmise the code in Vegas 9 was poorly written. Mind you I wouldn't know a line of code if I saw it. But I know if a webpage's HTML is written poorly that it could work fine in some cases and in other cases the page might display in an unintended manner. There must be a right way and wrong way to right code, and I'm wondering if this is the issue.