Vegas 9.0 so far so good at DVinfo.net

Doug Marcum · May 26th, 2009, 09:27 PM

Isn't it funny how these programs work great for some and don't work at all for others. I guess it isn't really funny....... probably a bit frustrating at times. My problems were with 8.0 and 8.1 and the solution was 9.0, while others the problem is 9 and the solution is going back to 8.
As a novice, 9.0 has worked great for me. I rendered my first "problem free" 13 minute video a few days ago on 9.0. Previously, 8.0 and 8.1 projects took a day to build and two weeks to try and work out the bugs. My problem with 8.0 and 8.1 was the video portion of the clips were sticking at the transition points YouTube - Stuck Problem stuttering 0001
Since I upgraded to 9.0, I have had zero problems. I am a novice, use simple transitions, few effects and render to HD WMV anywhere from CBR 6.4mbs to 22 mbs. I think the picture quality is very good (it is totally possible that I do not know what I am talking about). I have also used the VBR setting, but the files tend to reach 6 GB plus and therefore will not fit on a std DVD.
I hope they get the bugs worked out that many of you are experiencing. I will say, that I have learned quite a bit on this forum but have a long way to go. I noticed many problems seem to be with "Main Concept" renderings. Would someone be so kind as to provide a short explanation as to the advantages of this over my WMV renderings?

Thanks in advance,
Doug

Jeff Harper · May 26th, 2009, 10:25 PM

Congrats, glad it is working out so well for you!

Douglas Spotted Eagle · May 27th, 2009, 06:14 PM

Doug,
MainConcept engine is used for MPEG-based rendering.
Many of the problems experienced in Vegas are all the various versions, various OS's, hardware configs, etc. We run Vegas Pro9 on several machines, and are experiencing some 64 bit issues, and some Vista issues. XP machines that are older/slower aren't having any issues at all. My old MacBook Pro with Bootcamp has no issues.
Given the possiblities, it's a difficult line to toe... but that doesn't help the guy that is having issues.

Doug Marcum · May 27th, 2009, 06:44 PM

Doug,

Thanks for the "Main Concept" explanation.
I truly feel for those having troubles with 9.0 and any software. I did not intend to make light of other people's struggles with 9.0. It can truly be a pain. I have been there and it is not fun when you spend several hundred dollars on anything and it does not work as advertised. My original post was more in response to all the posts describing problems with 9.0 and the solution in most cases was to go back to an older version.
I spent more than two weeks of trouble shooting on two separate projects with 8.0 and 8.1. (Read as two weeks per project) I greatly reduced the quality of my projects by eliminating really nice clips and by the end I just wanted to be done. I installed 9.0, expected the worst, hoped for the best and my first project went without a single hitch and very nice quality. I've made several changes and no problems. I am still waiting for the other shoe to drop.
I feel that sometimes all we hear are the problems with something and no one speaks up about the successes and a product can get written off as a total lost cause. In my case, and maybe only in my case, 9.0 works fine........ so far.....
I certainly wish everyone the best of luck and I enjoy learning from their experience, successes and challenges.

Doug

Jeff Harper · May 27th, 2009, 07:11 PM

Doug, it is like someone else said recently, Sony can't possibly test every configuration, so it would seem almost impossible to predict who will be ok and who won't be.

When 8.1 came out I had no luck with it, and I had what I thought was a very good PC. Many others used it with no problems at all.

I was working on a project earlier that I had started in Vegas 9, and twice it froze on me for a lengthy period of time, and this was with SD footage. Why Vegas 9 has been so buggy for me (and a few others) seems to make no sense, but there it is.

I opened and worked on a multicam hd project a while ago in Vegas 8 and it worked flawlessly. Go figure. Just consider yourself fortunate!

Dale Guthormsen · May 27th, 2009, 08:49 PM

Good evening,

With several major projects on the roll I have only experimented with Version 9.

the 32 bit has seemed to work just fine for me on both my new I7 quad and my old dual core.

the 64 bit has been a let down mostly because I can't use my cineform files properly.

I am going to give them a real run and gun the next few weeks!!

Heath Vinyard · June 1st, 2009, 08:10 PM

I wish I could say I was having no issues. I'm seeing a lot of weird issues, mostly surrounding the cineform codec. Video in the preview/trimmer window disappears and I can't render anything solid in cineform .avi. If I do render in that codec, the video gets really jumpy like it's rearranging the frames like a rubik's cube. Kind if like, in a 24 frame project, frames go like this:
1,2,3,8,5,14,4,6,7,22,. . .

Jeff Harper · June 1st, 2009, 09:03 PM

Heath, Cineform is known to not work properly with Vegas 9, but I have read they are addressing it. From my understanding this is not a Sony issue but a Cineform issue, but I could be wrong.

Richard Hunter · June 2nd, 2009, 04:51 AM

I can't get Vegas 9 to run at all, even after a re-install. When the splash screen message shows "Initializing Device Explorer", I get a windows message telling me that Vegas has encountered a problem and needs to close.

My system is Core2 Quad, Intel MB, running Win XP Pro. Vegas 8 which is still installed is running fine.

Sony tech support suggested disabling all the on-microsoft serviuces in the windows startup, but this didn't help.

Anyone have any suggestions please?

Richard

Edward Troxel · June 2nd, 2009, 06:11 AM

Richard, the only thing else I might suggest is to disconnect any external devices (like a deck or camera or scanner) and then see if it starts. I know that step is much slower for me in 9 that it is in 8 (but it does get past it for me).

Heath Vinyard · June 2nd, 2009, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Harper

Heath, Cineform is known to not work properly with Vegas 9, but I have read they are addressing it. From my understanding this is not a Sony issue but a Cineform issue, but I could be wrong.

That's kind of what I figured it would be. Good thing this project is done. :)

Jeff Harper · June 3rd, 2009, 04:06 AM

Richard, it seems this upgrade is working out differently for different people.

If it will not run at all, you might try and go though your installed programs and uninstall anything you do not need.

Other than that I would suggest a complete reinstall of windows, and then install Vegas 9 first after all of your drivers are installed.

Richard Hunter · June 3rd, 2009, 04:42 AM

Edward and Jeff, thanks for the replies. I will see what I can unplug or disable, and try again. I'll also look at what codecs I might have installed and try removing them.

Richard

Richard Hunter · June 3rd, 2009, 06:28 AM

I tracked the problem down to the dongle for my old Logic 5 music software. I only use it occasionally for converting projects to a newer format, so I can live with the dongle unplugged most of the time. Just happy it wasn't something more serious.

Still haven't used Vegas 9 in earnest though, that might take a bit longer.

Thanks again for the help.

Richard

Edward Troxel · June 3rd, 2009, 06:35 AM

Good to hear it was that simple and that you found it.

May 26th, 2009, 09:27 PM	#1
Doug Marcum Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 35	Vegas 9.0 so far so good Isn't it funny how these programs work great for some and don't work at all for others. I guess it isn't really funny....... probably a bit frustrating at times. My problems were with 8.0 and 8.1 and the solution was 9.0, while others the problem is 9 and the solution is going back to 8. As a novice, 9.0 has worked great for me. I rendered my first "problem free" 13 minute video a few days ago on 9.0. Previously, 8.0 and 8.1 projects took a day to build and two weeks to try and work out the bugs. My problem with 8.0 and 8.1 was the video portion of the clips were sticking at the transition points YouTube - Stuck Problem stuttering 0001 Since I upgraded to 9.0, I have had zero problems. I am a novice, use simple transitions, few effects and render to HD WMV anywhere from CBR 6.4mbs to 22 mbs. I think the picture quality is very good (it is totally possible that I do not know what I am talking about). I have also used the VBR setting, but the files tend to reach 6 GB plus and therefore will not fit on a std DVD. I hope they get the bugs worked out that many of you are experiencing. I will say, that I have learned quite a bit on this forum but have a long way to go. I noticed many problems seem to be with "Main Concept" renderings. Would someone be so kind as to provide a short explanation as to the advantages of this over my WMV renderings? Thanks in advance, Doug Last edited by Doug Marcum; May 27th, 2009 at 05:43 AM.

May 27th, 2009, 06:14 PM	#3
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	Doug, MainConcept engine is used for MPEG-based rendering. Many of the problems experienced in Vegas are all the various versions, various OS's, hardware configs, etc. We run Vegas Pro9 on several machines, and are experiencing some 64 bit issues, and some Vista issues. XP machines that are older/slower aren't having any issues at all. My old MacBook Pro with Bootcamp has no issues. Given the possiblities, it's a difficult line to toe... but that doesn't help the guy that is having issues. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

May 27th, 2009, 07:11 PM	#5
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Doug, it is like someone else said recently, Sony can't possibly test every configuration, so it would seem almost impossible to predict who will be ok and who won't be. When 8.1 came out I had no luck with it, and I had what I thought was a very good PC. Many others used it with no problems at all. I was working on a project earlier that I had started in Vegas 9, and twice it froze on me for a lengthy period of time, and this was with SD footage. Why Vegas 9 has been so buggy for me (and a few others) seems to make no sense, but there it is. I opened and worked on a multicam hd project a while ago in Vegas 8 and it worked flawlessly. Go figure. Just consider yourself fortunate! Last edited by Jeff Harper; May 27th, 2009 at 08:15 PM.

May 27th, 2009, 08:49 PM	#6
Dale Guthormsen Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 3,048	Good evening, With several major projects on the roll I have only experimented with Version 9. the 32 bit has seemed to work just fine for me on both my new I7 quad and my old dual core. the 64 bit has been a let down mostly because I can't use my cineform files properly. I am going to give them a real run and gun the next few weeks!! __________________ DATS ALL FOLKS Dale W. Guthormsen

June 1st, 2009, 08:10 PM	#7
Heath Vinyard Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Orange County Posts: 296	I wish I could say I was having no issues. I'm seeing a lot of weird issues, mostly surrounding the cineform codec. Video in the preview/trimmer window disappears and I can't render anything solid in cineform .avi. If I do render in that codec, the video gets really jumpy like it's rearranging the frames like a rubik's cube. Kind if like, in a 24 frame project, frames go like this: 1,2,3,8,5,14,4,6,7,22,. . . __________________ Heath Vinyard www.ghostlandmedia.com

May 26th, 2009, 10:25 PM	#2
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Congrats, glad it is working out so well for you!

May 27th, 2009, 06:44 PM	#4
Doug Marcum Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 35	Doug, Thanks for the "Main Concept" explanation. I truly feel for those having troubles with 9.0 and any software. I did not intend to make light of other people's struggles with 9.0. It can truly be a pain. I have been there and it is not fun when you spend several hundred dollars on anything and it does not work as advertised. My original post was more in response to all the posts describing problems with 9.0 and the solution in most cases was to go back to an older version. I spent more than two weeks of trouble shooting on two separate projects with 8.0 and 8.1. (Read as two weeks per project) I greatly reduced the quality of my projects by eliminating really nice clips and by the end I just wanted to be done. I installed 9.0, expected the worst, hoped for the best and my first project went without a single hitch and very nice quality. I've made several changes and no problems. I am still waiting for the other shoe to drop. I feel that sometimes all we hear are the problems with something and no one speaks up about the successes and a product can get written off as a total lost cause. In my case, and maybe only in my case, 9.0 works fine........ so far..... I certainly wish everyone the best of luck and I enjoy learning from their experience, successes and challenges. Doug

June 1st, 2009, 09:03 PM	#8
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Heath, Cineform is known to not work properly with Vegas 9, but I have read they are addressing it. From my understanding this is not a Sony issue but a Cineform issue, but I could be wrong.

June 2nd, 2009, 04:51 AM	#9
Richard Hunter Trustee Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lipa City Batangas, Philippines Posts: 1,110	I can't get Vegas 9 to run at all, even after a re-install. When the splash screen message shows "Initializing Device Explorer", I get a windows message telling me that Vegas has encountered a problem and needs to close. My system is Core2 Quad, Intel MB, running Win XP Pro. Vegas 8 which is still installed is running fine. Sony tech support suggested disabling all the on-microsoft serviuces in the windows startup, but this didn't help. Anyone have any suggestions please? Richard

June 2nd, 2009, 06:11 AM	#10
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Richard, the only thing else I might suggest is to disconnect any external devices (like a deck or camera or scanner) and then see if it starts. I know that step is much slower for me in 9 that it is in 8 (but it does get past it for me). __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

June 3rd, 2009, 04:06 AM	#12
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Richard, it seems this upgrade is working out differently for different people. If it will not run at all, you might try and go though your installed programs and uninstall anything you do not need. Other than that I would suggest a complete reinstall of windows, and then install Vegas 9 first after all of your drivers are installed.

June 3rd, 2009, 04:42 AM	#13
Richard Hunter Trustee Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lipa City Batangas, Philippines Posts: 1,110	Edward and Jeff, thanks for the replies. I will see what I can unplug or disable, and try again. I'll also look at what codecs I might have installed and try removing them. Richard

June 3rd, 2009, 06:28 AM	#14
Richard Hunter Trustee Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lipa City Batangas, Philippines Posts: 1,110	I tracked the problem down to the dongle for my old Logic 5 music software. I only use it occasionally for converting projects to a newer format, so I can live with the dongle unplugged most of the time. Just happy it wasn't something more serious. Still haven't used Vegas 9 in earnest though, that might take a bit longer. Thanks again for the help. Richard

June 3rd, 2009, 06:35 AM	#15
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Good to hear it was that simple and that you found it. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters