New PC Many New Issues, Capturing, and Rebel T1I at DVinfo.net

Peter Ferriero · May 17th, 2009, 10:31 AM

Ok so I made the switch to HD..I bought a Canon XH-A1..I jumped to a brand new Dell..to handle all my HD needs..

Issue #1 when capturing HD footage..the blue screen comes up and says Preview Unavailable..however..it does capture the footage..and the footage plays fine in Vegas to edit..

Issue #2 on playback in the time line of any footage I shot with the Canon Rebel TI I get slow choppy video..it does not run in real time..I know their has to be a way to work with this..

any help tips would be greatly appreciated..

Nicholas de Kock · May 17th, 2009, 01:47 PM

Welcome to the world of editing HD, few things you'll need to learn before you continue, you cannot edit the footage from the Canon in native form you need an intermediate codec like Cineform NeoScene or another process that works is to convert the MP4 video into another format like MPEG2 using Pro Coder, Adobe Encode or Sorenson Media. Because the video from the Rebel is so highly compressed it's not an ideal format to edit in.

Heath Vinyard · May 17th, 2009, 03:44 PM

I use NeoScene and for the most part, like what it does. I've been using Cineform products for years now and don't normally have issues with it. It converts the HD files to an intermediary that I can edit in real time in Vegas. The only issue I have with NeoScene is that it doesn't upconvert to 1080p (shooting 720p on JVC HD100) but I believe NeoHD does this, so I might upgrade.

You can download a trial version of the Cineform software on their website and see if it works for you.

Peter Ferriero · May 17th, 2009, 04:17 PM

This is probably a real newbee kind of question to cineform..I downloaded the trial..clicked on to open it..and it goes to their web site..I have to be doing something wrong..

also has anyone had the issue with the preview unavailable when capturing in Vegas 8.1?

Nicholas de Kock · May 17th, 2009, 05:11 PM

Peter sorry can't help you with the blue screen preview issue, I also capture with the Canon XHA1 in Vegas Pro 8 (32bit) and it works right out of the box, maybe try re-installing? Cineform is a great codec to use, beware if you don't buy it, once the trail expires all your Cineform videos will become useless in the edit room. I'm saving for NeoHD so in the meantime I convert Rebel video to MPEG2 which Vegas handles okay-ish. Have a look in the capture settings of Vegas, maybe the video preview has been disabled?

Peter Ferriero · May 17th, 2009, 06:57 PM

intersting..perhaps because I have the 64bit I am having the issue?

I can't seem to get that program to work..

I've tried downloading several times..strange..

Nicholas de Kock · May 17th, 2009, 07:13 PM

Should work strange indeed, you can edit in 32bit aswell or capture in 32bit if you like. 64bit doesn't have any real advantage for Vegas in my opinion performance is about the same, in fact many plug-ins don't work for 64bit.

Roger Shealy · May 17th, 2009, 07:13 PM

Peter,

You may also want to make sure your preview resolution is set reasonably low. I usually use Preview /auto, which gives you a soft, but decent image to view. Using full quality will really hamper your playback.

Harold Brown · May 17th, 2009, 07:22 PM

Peter,
My wife has a Kodak Z1485 still camera that outputs 720HD .mov files. They are impossible to work with. To resolve that problem I use proxy files that I can work with and then when I am ready to render, the files are switched back to the .mov files. I have a script that I run that makes this process very simple. You might want to give it a try. It is called ProxyStream.

Document sans nom

The author is Gilles Pialat (Rosebud on the Sony forums).

Hope this helps.

Peter Ferriero · May 17th, 2009, 07:35 PM

i'll give that a try..in regards to the cineform HD program..it converts it but than when I bring the file in to Vegas..the video file doesnt come up..just the audio..do I need to anything else in Vegas for the video to appear?

Heath Vinyard · May 17th, 2009, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Ferriero

i'll give that a try..in regards to the cineform HD program..it converts it but than when I bring the file in to Vegas..the video file doesnt come up..just the audio..do I need to anything else in Vegas for the video to appear?

That sounds like the codec for Cineform didn't load. Have you tried reinstalling NeoHD?

Jon McGuffin · May 17th, 2009, 07:54 PM

I too have seen where when I capture using the 64-bit version of Vegas, I get the blue screen. I don't think it's much to worry about, you can always capture in the 32-bit version.

Jon

Peter Ferriero · May 17th, 2009, 08:01 PM

in regards to the codec..I did try to reinstall..its almost like vegas needs the codec..
any suggestions?

Nicholas de Kock · May 18th, 2009, 02:44 AM

Peter post your question in the Cineform forum, David Newman is usually very quick to respond with helpful information. This might be another 64bit issue.

Peter Ferriero · May 18th, 2009, 08:40 AM

got the codec to work by using the 32bit Vegas..that seemed to clear a lot of issues..

the only problem with the codec is that it is speeding everything up..I will head over there to see what the issue is..

May 17th, 2009, 03:44 PM	#3
Heath Vinyard Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Orange County Posts: 296	I use NeoScene and for the most part, like what it does. I've been using Cineform products for years now and don't normally have issues with it. It converts the HD files to an intermediary that I can edit in real time in Vegas. The only issue I have with NeoScene is that it doesn't upconvert to 1080p (shooting 720p on JVC HD100) but I believe NeoHD does this, so I might upgrade. You can download a trial version of the Cineform software on their website and see if it works for you. __________________ Heath Vinyard www.ghostlandmedia.com

May 17th, 2009, 07:22 PM	#9
Harold Brown Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: North East Ohio Posts: 84	Peter, My wife has a Kodak Z1485 still camera that outputs 720HD .mov files. They are impossible to work with. To resolve that problem I use proxy files that I can work with and then when I am ready to render, the files are switched back to the .mov files. I have a script that I run that makes this process very simple. You might want to give it a try. It is called ProxyStream. Document sans nom The author is Gilles Pialat (Rosebud on the Sony forums). Hope this helps. __________________ Harold BhagaVideo.com

May 17th, 2009, 10:31 AM	#1
Peter Ferriero Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lyndhurst NJ Posts: 78	New PC Many New Issues, Capturing, and Rebel T1I Ok so I made the switch to HD..I bought a Canon XH-A1..I jumped to a brand new Dell..to handle all my HD needs.. Issue #1 when capturing HD footage..the blue screen comes up and says Preview Unavailable..however..it does capture the footage..and the footage plays fine in Vegas to edit.. Issue #2 on playback in the time line of any footage I shot with the Canon Rebel TI I get slow choppy video..it does not run in real time..I know their has to be a way to work with this.. any help tips would be greatly appreciated..

May 17th, 2009, 01:47 PM	#2
Nicholas de Kock Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: KLD, South Africa Posts: 983	Welcome to the world of editing HD, few things you'll need to learn before you continue, you cannot edit the footage from the Canon in native form you need an intermediate codec like Cineform NeoScene or another process that works is to convert the MP4 video into another format like MPEG2 using Pro Coder, Adobe Encode or Sorenson Media. Because the video from the Rebel is so highly compressed it's not an ideal format to edit in.

May 17th, 2009, 04:17 PM	#4
Peter Ferriero Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lyndhurst NJ Posts: 78	This is probably a real newbee kind of question to cineform..I downloaded the trial..clicked on to open it..and it goes to their web site..I have to be doing something wrong.. also has anyone had the issue with the preview unavailable when capturing in Vegas 8.1?

May 17th, 2009, 05:11 PM	#5
Nicholas de Kock Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: KLD, South Africa Posts: 983	Peter sorry can't help you with the blue screen preview issue, I also capture with the Canon XHA1 in Vegas Pro 8 (32bit) and it works right out of the box, maybe try re-installing? Cineform is a great codec to use, beware if you don't buy it, once the trail expires all your Cineform videos will become useless in the edit room. I'm saving for NeoHD so in the meantime I convert Rebel video to MPEG2 which Vegas handles okay-ish. Have a look in the capture settings of Vegas, maybe the video preview has been disabled?

May 17th, 2009, 06:57 PM	#6
Peter Ferriero Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lyndhurst NJ Posts: 78	intersting..perhaps because I have the 64bit I am having the issue? I can't seem to get that program to work.. I've tried downloading several times..strange..

May 17th, 2009, 07:13 PM	#7
Nicholas de Kock Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: KLD, South Africa Posts: 983	Should work strange indeed, you can edit in 32bit aswell or capture in 32bit if you like. 64bit doesn't have any real advantage for Vegas in my opinion performance is about the same, in fact many plug-ins don't work for 64bit.

May 17th, 2009, 07:13 PM	#8
Roger Shealy Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Fayetteville, GA Posts: 772	Peter, You may also want to make sure your preview resolution is set reasonably low. I usually use Preview /auto, which gives you a soft, but decent image to view. Using full quality will really hamper your playback.

May 17th, 2009, 07:35 PM	#10
Peter Ferriero Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lyndhurst NJ Posts: 78	i'll give that a try..in regards to the cineform HD program..it converts it but than when I bring the file in to Vegas..the video file doesnt come up..just the audio..do I need to anything else in Vegas for the video to appear?

May 17th, 2009, 07:54 PM	#12
Jon McGuffin Major Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 634	I too have seen where when I capture using the 64-bit version of Vegas, I get the blue screen. I don't think it's much to worry about, you can always capture in the 32-bit version. Jon

May 17th, 2009, 08:01 PM	#13
Peter Ferriero Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lyndhurst NJ Posts: 78	in regards to the codec..I did try to reinstall..its almost like vegas needs the codec.. any suggestions?

May 18th, 2009, 02:44 AM	#14
Nicholas de Kock Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: KLD, South Africa Posts: 983	Peter post your question in the Cineform forum, David Newman is usually very quick to respond with helpful information. This might be another 64bit issue.

May 18th, 2009, 08:40 AM	#15
Peter Ferriero Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lyndhurst NJ Posts: 78	got the codec to work by using the 32bit Vegas..that seemed to clear a lot of issues.. the only problem with the codec is that it is speeding everything up..I will head over there to see what the issue is..