Reducing volume within an event. at DVinfo.net

Bryan Beasleigh · February 18th, 2004, 11:01 PM

I'm having trouble changing the volume of an event as well as reducing volume for only a segment of that event.

Thanks for any help.

Glenn Chan · February 18th, 2004, 11:28 PM

When you mouse over the top of a clip/event on the timeline, your cursor will change. Click and drag down to lower the volume on an individual clip.

Gary Kleiner · February 19th, 2004, 02:26 AM

Help (F1) > Volume > Event Envelopes

Tor Salomonsen · February 19th, 2004, 02:37 AM

The segmential approach: On that line (the volume envelope - see Glenn's post) you can doubleclick to add points. Pull them up or down, pull the envelope line between them or rightclick the point to set an exact dB value.

Bryan Beasleigh · February 19th, 2004, 02:40 AM

That doesn't work. Apparently I can't insert an audio envelope on any file in this project after the first file. I've saved the job off every day as a higher version. The original will allow me to insert an envelope and change volume, the other 8 won't
Edited to try and make more sense.

Tor Salomonsen · February 19th, 2004, 02:46 AM

Maybe I don't understand what you mean by segment?

Bryan Beasleigh · February 19th, 2004, 03:09 AM

I just went back and started a new project as a test. I was able to insert and envelope and move the audio level. Now i have to find out how i locked myself out. Any thoughts.

Thanks
Beas

Bryan Beasleigh · February 19th, 2004, 03:14 AM

I can't insert an audio envelope for some reason.

Tor Salomonsen · February 19th, 2004, 03:16 AM

Never had it happen to me. But mostly, when Vegas has had problems, it's because something else has messed with my memory. Does it go away if you close and re-open the project? If it does, forget about it. If it should happen again, maybe you'll have a better chanse to see what it was you did.

Tor Salomonsen · February 19th, 2004, 03:21 AM

Didn't see that last post before I posted.
But firstly: I've misled you. The Volume envelope is not the line you see when you pull down the volume for the whole event. You have to press V or shift-V to get it. Or use the Insert menu.
Now, are you saying nothing happens when you do that?

Bryan Beasleigh · February 19th, 2004, 03:22 AM

Yup, I tried it again. in another project, I can steup an audio envelope. I've got several days tied up on this one. If i can't find it then i guess it's a rebuild

Rob Lohman · February 19th, 2004, 06:19 AM

Are you not by accident trying to add the envelope to the event?
Because you can't. The envelop is added to the TRACK. So right-
click on an EMPTY place on the track, not over the event.

And when you say you can't insert it. How does this manifest
itself? Is the menu item "Insert/Remove Envelope" there on the
right-click menu or not? Is the item "Volume" on the submenu
of that or is it greyed out? Or can you click it but apparently
nothing happens?

You could open a second instance of Vegas and copy the tracks
from the first instance to the second. If that cures the problem
you can then save the project under a new name (always a good
practice) and continue on.

Edward Troxel · February 19th, 2004, 10:01 AM

The ONLY envelope that applies to a single event is the Velocity Envelope. The other envelopes (including the Volume envelope) apply to an entire track. However, you can add points on that envelope and adjust the volume for each clip as needed - it's just applied at the TRACK level.

If you want to adjust the volume of any event downward, just move the cursor to the top edge of the clip, click and drag downward.

You can also Normalize any event but note that any loud peak would be what the entire event is noramlized to.

I suppose, if you really wanted to, you could put each event on a separate track and control them individually as well. However, I recommend using the volume envelope.

Bryan Beasleigh · February 19th, 2004, 01:34 PM

Thanks all
i don't l know what I did. i rebooted the computer and started fresh today. I went back a few versions (I save frequently) and voila.

Edward Troxel · February 19th, 2004, 02:24 PM

Good to hear it's working now. Sometimes a reboot does wonders!

February 18th, 2004, 11:01 PM	#1
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	Reducing volume within an event. I'm having trouble changing the volume of an event as well as reducing volume for only a segment of that event. Thanks for any help.

February 19th, 2004, 06:19 AM	#12
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Are you not by accident trying to add the envelope to the event? Because you can't. The envelop is added to the TRACK. So right- click on an EMPTY place on the track, not over the event. And when you say you can't insert it. How does this manifest itself? Is the menu item "Insert/Remove Envelope" there on the right-click menu or not? Is the item "Volume" on the submenu of that or is it greyed out? Or can you click it but apparently nothing happens? You could open a second instance of Vegas and copy the tracks from the first instance to the second. If that cures the problem you can then save the project under a new name (always a good practice) and continue on. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 18th, 2004, 11:28 PM	#2
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	When you mouse over the top of a clip/event on the timeline, your cursor will change. Click and drag down to lower the volume on an individual clip.

February 19th, 2004, 02:26 AM	#3
Gary Kleiner Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Fort Collins, Colorado Posts: 166	Help (F1) > Volume > Event Envelopes

February 19th, 2004, 02:37 AM	#4
Tor Salomonsen Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Stavanger, Norway Posts: 265	The segmential approach: On that line (the volume envelope - see Glenn's post) you can doubleclick to add points. Pull them up or down, pull the envelope line between them or rightclick the point to set an exact dB value.

February 19th, 2004, 02:40 AM	#5
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	That doesn't work. Apparently I can't insert an audio envelope on any file in this project after the first file. I've saved the job off every day as a higher version. The original will allow me to insert an envelope and change volume, the other 8 won't Edited to try and make more sense.

February 19th, 2004, 02:46 AM	#6
Tor Salomonsen Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Stavanger, Norway Posts: 265	Maybe I don't understand what you mean by segment?

February 19th, 2004, 03:09 AM	#7
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	I just went back and started a new project as a test. I was able to insert and envelope and move the audio level. Now i have to find out how i locked myself out. Any thoughts. Thanks Beas

February 19th, 2004, 03:14 AM	#8
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	I can't insert an audio envelope for some reason.

February 19th, 2004, 03:16 AM	#9
Tor Salomonsen Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Stavanger, Norway Posts: 265	Never had it happen to me. But mostly, when Vegas has had problems, it's because something else has messed with my memory. Does it go away if you close and re-open the project? If it does, forget about it. If it should happen again, maybe you'll have a better chanse to see what it was you did.

February 19th, 2004, 03:21 AM	#10
Tor Salomonsen Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Stavanger, Norway Posts: 265	Didn't see that last post before I posted. But firstly: I've misled you. The Volume envelope is not the line you see when you pull down the volume for the whole event. You have to press V or shift-V to get it. Or use the Insert menu. Now, are you saying nothing happens when you do that?

February 19th, 2004, 03:22 AM	#11
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	Yup, I tried it again. in another project, I can steup an audio envelope. I've got several days tied up on this one. If i can't find it then i guess it's a rebuild

February 19th, 2004, 10:01 AM	#13
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	The ONLY envelope that applies to a single event is the Velocity Envelope. The other envelopes (including the Volume envelope) apply to an entire track. However, you can add points on that envelope and adjust the volume for each clip as needed - it's just applied at the TRACK level. If you want to adjust the volume of any event downward, just move the cursor to the top edge of the clip, click and drag downward. You can also Normalize any event but note that any loud peak would be what the entire event is noramlized to. I suppose, if you really wanted to, you could put each event on a separate track and control them individually as well. However, I recommend using the volume envelope.

February 19th, 2004, 01:34 PM	#14
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	Thanks all i don't l know what I did. i rebooted the computer and started fresh today. I went back a few versions (I save frequently) and voila.

February 19th, 2004, 02:24 PM	#15
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Good to hear it's working now. Sometimes a reboot does wonders!