Magic Bullet looks in Vegas at DVinfo.net

Simon Wyndham · December 30th, 2003, 07:10 PM

Does anyone here know of any way to aproximate or even copy fully some of the looks such as Bistro from Magic Bullet using the Vegas colour correction and adjustment options?

I have heard that the looks can be downloaded for free for Premiere Pro and that all they do is use Pro's built in adjustments (I could be wrong though) to render the different looks.

Anyone know anyone with Pro that the settings can be copied from?

I have recently been involved with making a DV movie, and I have been messing around with Magic Bullet and FieldsKit on the footage to, I think, pretty good result.

http://uk.f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/...archer&.src=ph

Edward Troxel · December 30th, 2003, 08:19 PM

I know many people like the BigFX tool for getting a film look. You may want to look at the pieces of BigFX that are currently available a http://www.zenote.com.

Glenn Chan · December 30th, 2003, 10:08 PM

I don't think you can export Magic Bullet settings into Vegas. If you understand what's going on then or if the filters are similar then you could possibly achieve the same effects in Vegas. You can do a lot with the color correction tools in Vegas. The most useful filters are Curves, 3-way color corrector, CC (secondary), and saturation adjust. Channel blend may also be useful (don't know how to use that yet). Some effects you can achieve by duplicating video onto itself, dropping its opacity, and changing the compositing mode (brighten, darken, screen, etc.). You can also apply filters onto the top layer (blur, curves, etc.).

The Zenote filters with demos on their website don't add much IMO. They might be a bit higher quality than what you can do in Vegas.

Simon Wyndham · December 31st, 2003, 03:03 AM

Edward: I already own FilmFX for After Effects. It's okay. I'm not sure what it's glow function does that can't be done with the built in glow filter of Vegas though, and it's colour adjustments don't seem anywhere near as versitile in one pass as Magic Bullet. Granted there is a bit of a price difference between the two however!

Glenn: Yes, this is what I had in mind (finding out the settings and then replicating them with the Vegas tools). I have found that the colour adjustment tools in Vegas are more versitile than those in FilmFX on it's own.

The makers of Magic Bullet have said themselves that apart from the deinterlacing filter, most of the Magic Bullet effects can be replicated by After Effects on it's own. Given that the Magic Bullet looks are available for Premiere Pro and utilise that programs built in adjustments it should be possible to copy them.

Joe Carney · January 2nd, 2004, 05:51 PM

Go over to http://www.digitalproducer.com and read Spots article on using Vegas to make video look like film. It's on the front page on the left.

Simon Wyndham · January 4th, 2004, 05:20 AM

Thanks Joe. Most of those techniques I'm familiar with. I can get the bleach bypass look easily by layering the video. But some of the other looks, particularly Bistro are proving harder to replicate. The Spicefilters plugin looks like it *might* have the possibility to replicate the kind of colour tonal changes across the range I am after. Then again, I'm not sure how different that plugin works to, say, the gradient filter.

Brian Mitchell Warshawsky · January 13th, 2004, 03:13 AM

Is it possible to use multiple NLEs?

For example, can a program be edited and rendered in Vegas, and then be run through Premiere Pro to make use of the Movie Looks Plugins?

Brian

Simon Wyndham · January 13th, 2004, 03:31 AM

Yes, it could. But it would be a rather expensive way of doing things!

Edward Troxel · January 13th, 2004, 08:57 AM

I've just finished a new Film-Look Plugin script for Vegas that will perform the steps indicated in DSE's Film Look tutorial. It will convert all your footage to 24p and allow adding the effects you desire to either the track or the events.

Take a look at DSE's tutorial at http://www.sundancemediagroup.com/tu...s/filmlook.htm

The film look script can be downloaded from http://www.jetdv.com/scripts/FilmLook1_0b.exe

Imran Zaidi · January 13th, 2004, 09:10 AM

Edward, it's a little early in the year, but in my book you are MVP of the year on this forum. (Not to detract from any of the other great folks on board). I'm just excited about this tool.

Brian Mitchell Warshawsky · January 13th, 2004, 09:38 AM

Edward,

Thanks, this may prove invaluable for many people. Some follow-up questions:

Does this mean that a 24P camera is not needed? Or does the DVX100 retain additional advantages?

Can it still be run with footage shot 24P from the DVX100?

Can this routine be run for HD footage shot with the JVC HD cameras which are already progressive? (30P)

Thanks for any additional information you may be able to provide.

Brian

John Gaspain · January 13th, 2004, 10:03 AM

tagged for later reading

Edward Troxel · January 13th, 2004, 10:43 AM

This script is designed to take standard 30p footage and change it to 24p for the purpose of burning it to a DVD. A 24p camera is NOT needed. Read DSE's tutorial for full details.

Edward Troxel · January 16th, 2004, 03:15 PM

The film look script has now been updated and can be found at:
http://www.jetdv.com/scripts/FilmLook1_0b.exe

Changes:
Should eliminate and "directory" errors
Eliminates a problem when a clip to be deleted is NOT in the Media Pool.

Dylan Couper · January 17th, 2004, 11:30 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Edward Troxel : This script is designed to take standard 30p footage and change it to 24p for the purpose of burning it to a DVD. A 24p camera is NOT needed. Read DSE's tutorial for full details. -->>>

Edward, what if you want to print back to miniDV? Do you have to render it back to 30fps? If so, does that negate the 24p look?
This is my first dabble in 24p.

Oh, and which directory do you install it in?

Thanks

December 30th, 2003, 07:10 PM	#1
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	Magic Bullet looks in Vegas Does anyone here know of any way to aproximate or even copy fully some of the looks such as Bistro from Magic Bullet using the Vegas colour correction and adjustment options? I have heard that the looks can be downloaded for free for Premiere Pro and that all they do is use Pro's built in adjustments (I could be wrong though) to render the different looks. Anyone know anyone with Pro that the settings can be copied from? I have recently been involved with making a DV movie, and I have been messing around with Magic Bullet and FieldsKit on the footage to, I think, pretty good result. http://uk.f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/...archer&.src=ph

January 13th, 2004, 03:13 AM	#7
Brian Mitchell Warshawsky Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bay Area Posts: 216	Movie Looks Is it possible to use multiple NLEs? For example, can a program be edited and rendered in Vegas, and then be run through Premiere Pro to make use of the Movie Looks Plugins? Brian

January 13th, 2004, 10:03 AM	#12
John Gaspain Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: WA-USA Posts: 371	tagged for later reading __________________ The glory of the World passes by.

January 17th, 2004, 11:30 AM	#15
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	<<<-- Originally posted by Edward Troxel : This script is designed to take standard 30p footage and change it to 24p for the purpose of burning it to a DVD. A 24p camera is NOT needed. Read DSE's tutorial for full details. -->>> Edward, what if you want to print back to miniDV? Do you have to render it back to 30fps? If so, does that negate the 24p look? This is my first dabble in 24p. Oh, and which directory do you install it in? Thanks __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

December 30th, 2003, 08:19 PM	#2
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I know many people like the BigFX tool for getting a film look. You may want to look at the pieces of BigFX that are currently available a http://www.zenote.com.

December 30th, 2003, 10:08 PM	#3
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	I don't think you can export Magic Bullet settings into Vegas. If you understand what's going on then or if the filters are similar then you could possibly achieve the same effects in Vegas. You can do a lot with the color correction tools in Vegas. The most useful filters are Curves, 3-way color corrector, CC (secondary), and saturation adjust. Channel blend may also be useful (don't know how to use that yet). Some effects you can achieve by duplicating video onto itself, dropping its opacity, and changing the compositing mode (brighten, darken, screen, etc.). You can also apply filters onto the top layer (blur, curves, etc.). The Zenote filters with demos on their website don't add much IMO. They might be a bit higher quality than what you can do in Vegas.

December 31st, 2003, 03:03 AM	#4
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	Edward: I already own FilmFX for After Effects. It's okay. I'm not sure what it's glow function does that can't be done with the built in glow filter of Vegas though, and it's colour adjustments don't seem anywhere near as versitile in one pass as Magic Bullet. Granted there is a bit of a price difference between the two however! Glenn: Yes, this is what I had in mind (finding out the settings and then replicating them with the Vegas tools). I have found that the colour adjustment tools in Vegas are more versitile than those in FilmFX on it's own. The makers of Magic Bullet have said themselves that apart from the deinterlacing filter, most of the Magic Bullet effects can be replicated by After Effects on it's own. Given that the Magic Bullet looks are available for Premiere Pro and utilise that programs built in adjustments it should be possible to copy them.

January 2nd, 2004, 05:51 PM	#5
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	Go over to http://www.digitalproducer.com and read Spots article on using Vegas to make video look like film. It's on the front page on the left.

January 4th, 2004, 05:20 AM	#6
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	Thanks Joe. Most of those techniques I'm familiar with. I can get the bleach bypass look easily by layering the video. But some of the other looks, particularly Bistro are proving harder to replicate. The Spicefilters plugin looks like it might have the possibility to replicate the kind of colour tonal changes across the range I am after. Then again, I'm not sure how different that plugin works to, say, the gradient filter.

January 13th, 2004, 03:31 AM	#8
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	Yes, it could. But it would be a rather expensive way of doing things!

January 13th, 2004, 08:57 AM	#9
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I've just finished a new Film-Look Plugin script for Vegas that will perform the steps indicated in DSE's Film Look tutorial. It will convert all your footage to 24p and allow adding the effects you desire to either the track or the events. Take a look at DSE's tutorial at http://www.sundancemediagroup.com/tu...s/filmlook.htm The film look script can be downloaded from http://www.jetdv.com/scripts/FilmLook1_0b.exe

January 13th, 2004, 09:10 AM	#10
Imran Zaidi Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 1,315	Edward, it's a little early in the year, but in my book you are MVP of the year on this forum. (Not to detract from any of the other great folks on board). I'm just excited about this tool.

January 13th, 2004, 09:38 AM	#11
Brian Mitchell Warshawsky Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bay Area Posts: 216	Edward, Thanks, this may prove invaluable for many people. Some follow-up questions: Does this mean that a 24P camera is not needed? Or does the DVX100 retain additional advantages? Can it still be run with footage shot 24P from the DVX100? Can this routine be run for HD footage shot with the JVC HD cameras which are already progressive? (30P) Thanks for any additional information you may be able to provide. Brian

January 13th, 2004, 10:43 AM	#13
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	This script is designed to take standard 30p footage and change it to 24p for the purpose of burning it to a DVD. A 24p camera is NOT needed. Read DSE's tutorial for full details.

January 16th, 2004, 03:15 PM	#14
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	The film look script has now been updated and can be found at: http://www.jetdv.com/scripts/FilmLook1_0b.exe Changes: Should eliminate and "directory" errors Eliminates a problem when a clip to be deleted is NOT in the Media Pool.