Does Vegas Play Nice With After Effects? at DVinfo.net

Dave Largent · December 15th, 2003, 11:06 PM

I know Vegas always cuts out my Winamp when
Vegas comes up.
Anyone here using Vegas and AE together?

Peter Jefferson · December 17th, 2003, 06:19 AM

no need, vegas does pretty much everythign AE does... if not more... (and nicer too :) )

Peter Jefferson · December 17th, 2003, 06:21 AM

forgoot to mention, vegas overtakes your audio driver, so it depends on your config as to how and what is playable while vegas is running...

for eg, i cant run Logic Audio or Cubase with ASIO drivers as Vegas is already using the drivers.. BUT i can run 2 instances of vegas both with ASIO drivers... this can be an issue when syncing he rest of the studio to the video im working on... so i run virtual midi ports to work around that...

long and involved, and prolly not what you were lookin for...
sorry

Edward Troxel · December 17th, 2003, 08:20 AM

Actually, Vegas is VERY program friendly. When it is the active application, it will take the resources it needs. When it is the inactive application, it will release those resources. Some other programs are not that friendly.

Many people are using AE and Vegas together. The generally accepted method is to render the section you need in AE to UNCOMPRESSED AVI, work on it in AE, render back to uncompressed AVI, and import that back into Vegas.

As an alternative, Boris Red is now integrated with Vegas and can be accessed directly from the Vegas timeline.

Joe Sacher · December 17th, 2003, 08:48 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Peter Jefferson : no need, vegas does pretty much everythign AE does... if not more... (and nicer too :) ) -->>>

While Vegas does alot, it doesn't by any means do "pretty much everything AE does." There is no real method of manipulating 3D objects and layers in Vegas, as well as other limitations. While I do use Vegas for 90% of what most people use AE for, it doesn't do it all.

Dave Largent · December 17th, 2003, 12:00 PM

Edward, I didn't quite catch you there on the workflow.
If you render to uncompressed AVI with Vegas, then work on the section in AE as uncompressed, why would you have to "render back to uncompressed AVI" if it's already in that form in AE?
And what is the advantage to working on it
uncompressed in AE versus compressed?

Edward Troxel · December 17th, 2003, 01:07 PM

You would render the changes made in AE back to an uncompressed AVI for importing back into Vegas.

There are some known problems when AE tries to read a Vegas DV-AVI file or Vegas tries to read an AE DV-AVI file. If you use uncompressed to go each way, the problems are eliminated. So, this is the "safe" known workflow.

If you don't want to create TWO uncompressed files, you could frameserve from Vegas to AE.

Dave Largent · December 17th, 2003, 01:46 PM

So, the whole time you're in AE, you're working with
a section that had been uncompressed in Vegas. So you are working in AE with only uncompressed
files. You make your changes in AE, then render
those changes as uncompressed to be sent
back to Vegas. Right?

Edward Troxel · December 17th, 2003, 01:53 PM

Yes

Harry Settle · December 17th, 2003, 04:54 PM

Is AE a stand alone program?

Peter Jefferson · December 17th, 2003, 11:11 PM

Yes :)

as for comparing, well, im only referring to compositing, filters and lighting effects.

but now with boris 3gl (be it a lil expensive) we can do all this 3d stuff as well

Edward Troxel · December 17th, 2003, 11:28 PM

In addition, by using Boris Red, you can also use many of the AE plug-ins as well providing you with even MORE tools. That, and the render savings, may very well be worth the difference in price.

Peter Jefferson · December 18th, 2003, 06:09 AM

im still waiting for someone to write up a spiel about these 2 beasts working hand in hand...

i wont pay over a grand for a SW package and find out that it doesnt work to my flow, but from the demo ive used, it seems to be ok for my style of working...
anyone know where i can find info on the integration of thee 2>?? Im only using boris as a standalone... :(

Edward Troxel · December 18th, 2003, 08:11 AM

I'm working on some things for the next newsletter.

Joe Sacher · December 18th, 2003, 10:48 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Edward Troxel : In addition, by using Boris Red, you can also use many of the AE plug-ins as well providing you with even MORE tools. That, and the render savings, may very well be worth the difference in price. -->>>

The problem with my difference in price is that I already have AE, but not Boris. In that situation, the price difference is starting with $0 on one side. :(

December 15th, 2003, 11:06 PM	#1
Dave Largent Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,483	Does Vegas Play Nice With After Effects? I know Vegas always cuts out my Winamp when Vegas comes up. Anyone here using Vegas and AE together?

December 17th, 2003, 04:54 PM	#10
Harry Settle Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bemidji, MN Posts: 276	Is AE a stand alone program? __________________ "DOH"!!!

December 17th, 2003, 06:19 AM	#2
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	no need, vegas does pretty much everythign AE does... if not more... (and nicer too :) )

December 17th, 2003, 06:21 AM	#3
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	forgoot to mention, vegas overtakes your audio driver, so it depends on your config as to how and what is playable while vegas is running... for eg, i cant run Logic Audio or Cubase with ASIO drivers as Vegas is already using the drivers.. BUT i can run 2 instances of vegas both with ASIO drivers... this can be an issue when syncing he rest of the studio to the video im working on... so i run virtual midi ports to work around that... long and involved, and prolly not what you were lookin for... sorry

December 17th, 2003, 08:20 AM	#4
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Actually, Vegas is VERY program friendly. When it is the active application, it will take the resources it needs. When it is the inactive application, it will release those resources. Some other programs are not that friendly. Many people are using AE and Vegas together. The generally accepted method is to render the section you need in AE to UNCOMPRESSED AVI, work on it in AE, render back to uncompressed AVI, and import that back into Vegas. As an alternative, Boris Red is now integrated with Vegas and can be accessed directly from the Vegas timeline.

December 17th, 2003, 08:48 AM	#5
Joe Sacher Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 177	<<<-- Originally posted by Peter Jefferson : no need, vegas does pretty much everythign AE does... if not more... (and nicer too :) ) -->>> While Vegas does alot, it doesn't by any means do "pretty much everything AE does." There is no real method of manipulating 3D objects and layers in Vegas, as well as other limitations. While I do use Vegas for 90% of what most people use AE for, it doesn't do it all.

December 17th, 2003, 12:00 PM	#6
Dave Largent Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,483	Edward, I didn't quite catch you there on the workflow. If you render to uncompressed AVI with Vegas, then work on the section in AE as uncompressed, why would you have to "render back to uncompressed AVI" if it's already in that form in AE? And what is the advantage to working on it uncompressed in AE versus compressed?

December 17th, 2003, 01:07 PM	#7
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	You would render the changes made in AE back to an uncompressed AVI for importing back into Vegas. There are some known problems when AE tries to read a Vegas DV-AVI file or Vegas tries to read an AE DV-AVI file. If you use uncompressed to go each way, the problems are eliminated. So, this is the "safe" known workflow. If you don't want to create TWO uncompressed files, you could frameserve from Vegas to AE.

December 17th, 2003, 01:46 PM	#8
Dave Largent Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,483	So, the whole time you're in AE, you're working with a section that had been uncompressed in Vegas. So you are working in AE with only uncompressed files. You make your changes in AE, then render those changes as uncompressed to be sent back to Vegas. Right?

December 17th, 2003, 01:53 PM	#9
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Yes

December 17th, 2003, 11:11 PM	#11
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	Yes :) as for comparing, well, im only referring to compositing, filters and lighting effects. but now with boris 3gl (be it a lil expensive) we can do all this 3d stuff as well

December 17th, 2003, 11:28 PM	#12
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	In addition, by using Boris Red, you can also use many of the AE plug-ins as well providing you with even MORE tools. That, and the render savings, may very well be worth the difference in price.

December 18th, 2003, 06:09 AM	#13
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	im still waiting for someone to write up a spiel about these 2 beasts working hand in hand... i wont pay over a grand for a SW package and find out that it doesnt work to my flow, but from the demo ive used, it seems to be ok for my style of working... anyone know where i can find info on the integration of thee 2>?? Im only using boris as a standalone... :(

December 18th, 2003, 08:11 AM	#14
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I'm working on some things for the next newsletter.

December 18th, 2003, 10:48 AM	#15
Joe Sacher Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 177	<<<-- Originally posted by Edward Troxel : In addition, by using Boris Red, you can also use many of the AE plug-ins as well providing you with even MORE tools. That, and the render savings, may very well be worth the difference in price. -->>> The problem with my difference in price is that I already have AE, but not Boris. In that situation, the price difference is starting with $0 on one side. :(