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Edward Troxel · March 18th, 2004, 08:17 AM

Assuming you can connect S-Video to the TV, then Yes, you could use S-Video. I wasn't necessarily trying to recommend "the best way", just that the camera had to be connected to the TV. Plus, I don't know that ALL cameras have an S-Video out - the vast majority DO have RCA outs.

Ian, I have an external firewire drive connected to my laptop. The deck is then connected to the firewire drive. In my case, I can still get external previews. The files are read from the external drive, used by Vegas, and sent to the deck THROUGH the connection to the drive and then on to the TV.

I have also tried external preview with an XL-1. This has always worked as well.

Ian Stark · March 18th, 2004, 09:21 AM

Thanks for the advice, Edward. If you have a moment, can you please confirm that I understand correctly (sorry to be dumb!).

The (in series) connection you describe is as follows:

Laptop
to
Firewire Card
to
Firewire Drive
to
DV Deck
to
Monitor

which, in my case would be

PC
to
Firewire Card
to
Firewire Drive
to
Canon
to
TV

I didn't realise that different types of firewire devices could be linked in series although I was aware that there was another firewire port on the drive (which I thought was to enable me to chain additional WD firewire drives).

Is there any performance issue do you think? I guess it must be acceptable if you have successfully been doing this, but I'm trying to understand why I would need three firewire ports on the PCI card.

Thanks again for the advice.

Edward Troxel · March 18th, 2004, 09:47 AM

Yes, that is how I am hooked up - daisy chained through the hard drive enclosure.

Ian Stark · March 18th, 2004, 10:25 AM

Thanks again Edward. I tried this method but sadly with no success.

I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that the Western Digital drive is causing a conflict as when I removed the drive from the system, playback via cam to external monitor worked perfectly well (with the exception that widescreen is not supported on the TV I use!). When I reintroduced the drive, it collapsed.

Not sure where I can go from here, short of investing in a USB 2 card and running the drive from that.

If anyone has a similar configuration (ie WD External Firewire 250Gb, Canon XL2/GM2) and has successfully managed to preview to an external monitor I'd be delighted to hear how you did it!

Ian Stark · March 19th, 2004, 07:37 AM

This link to the Sony Knowledge Base suggests that it is NOT, in fact, the external firewire drive causing problems but rather the Canon - at least as far as hanging the Canon off the external drive is concerned. I wonder if this is the same issue affecting previewing through the cam to an external monitor.

Thank god for copy and paste. If some kind sould could tell me how to make these links live I'd be happy to edit the post!

http://www.custcenter.com/cgi-bin/so...cGFnZT0x&p_li=

Edward Troxel · March 19th, 2004, 08:20 AM

I've never tried daisy chaining the Canon camera. All of my daisy chaining experience has been with the Panasonic deck which has worked fine. All my pass-thru experience with the Canon(s) has been straight computer to camera to TV.

Thanks for the link.

Ian Stark · March 19th, 2004, 08:27 AM

You're most welcome.

But just to confuse the issue further, here's a link to the Vegas Forum at Sony which makes me wonder again about the external drive!!!

http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.co...ssageID=257603

<weary sigh>

I have a Hollywood Bridge lying around somewhere. I bought it to capture from analogue sources but it never worked as decsribed in the blurb. Maybe I'll dig it out and try it out as a DV-analogue converter.

My hopes aren't high though!

Kim Kinser · April 20th, 2004, 11:07 AM

I have a Sony TRV27. Does it support the feature to use it as a converter from DV to video for tv display?

I havethe camcorder connected to my computer via firewire. Then I have the camcoder plugged into my tv using RCA.

I set the camcorder to vcr mode.

I play my video in Vegas and click the little button in the preview window.

Nothing happens.

Do I have it implemented correctly? Does this camera have the proper feature?

Thanks,

KIM

Ian Stark · April 20th, 2004, 11:15 AM

Update to my post of 19th March re the Hollywood Bridge.

No joy. UNLESS I take the firewire drive offline, which is a shame as that's where I store my video data.

So it looks kinda like the WD 250gb firewire/USB2 external drive doesn't like to play with other firewire devices.

If anyone can shed any further light on this I'd be delighted to hear from you.

March 18th, 2004, 09:21 AM	#17
Ian Stark Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,237	Thanks for the advice, Edward. If you have a moment, can you please confirm that I understand correctly (sorry to be dumb!). The (in series) connection you describe is as follows: Laptop to Firewire Card to Firewire Drive to DV Deck to Monitor which, in my case would be PC to Firewire Card to Firewire Drive to Canon to TV I didn't realise that different types of firewire devices could be linked in series although I was aware that there was another firewire port on the drive (which I thought was to enable me to chain additional WD firewire drives). Is there any performance issue do you think? I guess it must be acceptable if you have successfully been doing this, but I'm trying to understand why I would need three firewire ports on the PCI card. Thanks again for the advice. __________________ www.vit-media.com www.classicmachinefilms.co.uk

March 18th, 2004, 10:25 AM	#19
Ian Stark Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,237	Thanks again Edward. I tried this method but sadly with no success. I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that the Western Digital drive is causing a conflict as when I removed the drive from the system, playback via cam to external monitor worked perfectly well (with the exception that widescreen is not supported on the TV I use!). When I reintroduced the drive, it collapsed. Not sure where I can go from here, short of investing in a USB 2 card and running the drive from that. If anyone has a similar configuration (ie WD External Firewire 250Gb, Canon XL2/GM2) and has successfully managed to preview to an external monitor I'd be delighted to hear how you did it! __________________ www.vit-media.com www.classicmachinefilms.co.uk

March 19th, 2004, 07:37 AM	#20
Ian Stark Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,237	This link to the Sony Knowledge Base suggests that it is NOT, in fact, the external firewire drive causing problems but rather the Canon - at least as far as hanging the Canon off the external drive is concerned. I wonder if this is the same issue affecting previewing through the cam to an external monitor. Thank god for copy and paste. If some kind sould could tell me how to make these links live I'd be happy to edit the post! http://www.custcenter.com/cgi-bin/so...cGFnZT0x&p_li= __________________ www.vit-media.com www.classicmachinefilms.co.uk

March 19th, 2004, 08:27 AM	#22
Ian Stark Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,237	You're most welcome. But just to confuse the issue further, here's a link to the Vegas Forum at Sony which makes me wonder again about the external drive!!! http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.co...ssageID=257603 <weary sigh> I have a Hollywood Bridge lying around somewhere. I bought it to capture from analogue sources but it never worked as decsribed in the blurb. Maybe I'll dig it out and try it out as a DV-analogue converter. My hopes aren't high though! __________________ www.vit-media.com www.classicmachinefilms.co.uk

April 20th, 2004, 11:15 AM	#24
Ian Stark Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,237	Update to my post of 19th March re the Hollywood Bridge. No joy. UNLESS I take the firewire drive offline, which is a shame as that's where I store my video data. So it looks kinda like the WD 250gb firewire/USB2 external drive doesn't like to play with other firewire devices. If anyone can shed any further light on this I'd be delighted to hear from you. __________________ www.vit-media.com www.classicmachinefilms.co.uk

March 18th, 2004, 08:17 AM	#16
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Assuming you can connect S-Video to the TV, then Yes, you could use S-Video. I wasn't necessarily trying to recommend "the best way", just that the camera had to be connected to the TV. Plus, I don't know that ALL cameras have an S-Video out - the vast majority DO have RCA outs. Ian, I have an external firewire drive connected to my laptop. The deck is then connected to the firewire drive. In my case, I can still get external previews. The files are read from the external drive, used by Vegas, and sent to the deck THROUGH the connection to the drive and then on to the TV. I have also tried external preview with an XL-1. This has always worked as well.

March 18th, 2004, 09:47 AM	#18
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Yes, that is how I am hooked up - daisy chained through the hard drive enclosure.

March 19th, 2004, 08:20 AM	#21
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I've never tried daisy chaining the Canon camera. All of my daisy chaining experience has been with the Panasonic deck which has worked fine. All my pass-thru experience with the Canon(s) has been straight computer to camera to TV. Thanks for the link.

April 20th, 2004, 11:07 AM	#23
Kim Kinser Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Voorhees, NJ Posts: 82	I have a Sony TRV27. Does it support the feature to use it as a converter from DV to video for tv display? I havethe camcorder connected to my computer via firewire. Then I have the camcoder plugged into my tv using RCA. I set the camcorder to vcr mode. I play my video in Vegas and click the little button in the preview window. Nothing happens. Do I have it implemented correctly? Does this camera have the proper feature? Thanks, KIM