Vegas Video discussions from 2004 (Q1Q2)

Edward Troxel · April 9th, 2004, 06:11 AM

Did you change any settings to "fine-tune" the OS? Specifically did you turn off terminal services?

Did you install as an administrator?

David Hurdon · April 9th, 2004, 07:24 AM

Some sound cards, like my Audigy Pro, have a function to record "what you hear". If your does you just hit record on its screen and then play with whatever software player handles the format.

David Hurdon

David Hurdon · April 9th, 2004, 07:25 AM

Sorry, that's Audigy Platinum.

David Hurdon

Jaime Valles · April 9th, 2004, 07:32 AM

I was just dealing with the same issue, using Final Cut Pro on a Mac. I purchased a song on the iTunes music store and tried to import it, but it also said it had problems with that file. After many dirfferent experiments, I figured out two options:

a) burn the song onto a CD-R, then re-import it as an AIFF file. This should remove copy-protection.

b) download a program that converts copy-protected files into AIFF files. The one I got is called aacConverter. I found it on Versiontracker.com, and it's freeware, but I think it's Mac only. I'm sure there must be something similar to this for Windows out there.

Hope this helps!

James Nyfeler · April 9th, 2004, 07:59 AM

Actually, the music does not play from my MP3 player -- I have one that is a few years old, and it does not support the copy protection schemes that are in place, so I can't play it on my MP3 player. I can play it using musicmatch & Windows Media.

My system is a Sony Vaio, and right now, I'm just using the built-in sound card (SiS 7012 Wave, I think). It does have a recorder, but I think it is looking to record from a mic.

I tried downloading Audio Converter to convert the file to an MP3, but the application slapped my hand, indicating that the file is copy protected. I'm now in the process of trying several other apps that I'm finding on CNET to see if I can do what I want to do.

I do want to point out that my objective is to merely use the music that I purchased from within Vegas, not to do anything that I shouldn't be doing.

James Nyfeler · April 9th, 2004, 08:11 AM

Okay, it seems I found the answer to my question -- thanks to those who responded. I downloaded a recorder that records anything coming through the speakers (Audio Playback Recorder -- found on CNET). I guess this is what David was referring to, although my system didn't seem to come with one (or I can't find it).

Quality does not seem as good as the original, but for my purposes, it seems fine.

Emre Safak · April 9th, 2004, 08:23 AM

Yes I did! As administrator I installed every patch (notably SP1) and de-activated every service I could. I can not uninstall the patches, but I can try re-activating the services to see if it makes a difference.

I tried re-installating Vegas 4.0e to no avail.

Thanks for the suggestions.

David Hurdon · April 9th, 2004, 08:24 AM

James, bring up your sound card's Mixer. It will show a master volume control and a number of others for mic/line/midi/headphones/ etc. Poke around looking for "What you Hear". If it's there somewhere you have the capability, and it might be superior to a 3rd party download-or not;-)

David Hurdon

John Britt · April 9th, 2004, 01:03 PM

James

Jaime had it about right -- the best way to "circumvent" copy protection in downloaded music is to burn it as audio to a CD using MusicMatch (or any other MP3 program you have that will play the song and will burn an audio CD) and then re-encode it as a mp3/wav/file of your choice. There is a very slight loss in quality due to re-encoding, but I think it's a better way to handle this problem (and I've done it both ways -- burning to CD and also looping the audio from the output back into the PC)

[by the way, this information is given to help people with "Fair Use" copying of music they have purchased. Please try to adhere to copyright laws when creating commercial works]

Kevin Kimmell · April 9th, 2004, 03:31 PM

(Sorry for the cross-post - thought maybe someone here would have already had this issue)

Hi,

I'm at a friends and we're trying to colaborate on a project. She's put together video and audio in Final Cut Pro 4 and needs to export or render it so that I can pull it into my PC editing program (I use Vegas).

AVI's are fine so I don't think this will be a problem. The problem right nos is I know nothing about MACs and she knows enough to get her projects done just on the mac.

We rendered from FCP4 but to my chagrin it didn't prompt for a filename or location and when we search her hard drives for files with names similar to the project and there's nothing sizable enough to be the 14 minute file that we rendered.

Can anyone help me locate this magic file or perhaps explain the best way to output a high quality project from the mac so I can import it into my PC for further editing?

Thanks,
Kevin

Edward Troxel · April 9th, 2004, 05:10 PM

Vegas can accept MOV straight from FCP. Just render to a new MOV or AVI file and you should be fine. How are you planning to transfer the file between the two computers?

Kevin Kimmell · April 9th, 2004, 05:26 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Edward Troxel : Vegas can accept MOV straight from FCP. Just render to a new MOV or AVI file and you should be fine. How are you planning to transfer the file between the two computers? -->>>

I diddled around enough to get access to some folders on the MAC. The pain in the arse bit is that I can't figure out how to access her firewire drive so we have to move the chunks from there to folders on the local hard drive.

If you know the trick to getting access to the firewire drive through the apple networking I would be muchos appreciative.

Thanks,
Kevin

Edward Troxel · April 9th, 2004, 05:38 PM

It really depends on the formatting of the firewire drive. If the firewire drive is in FAT32, it will be readable by both. If the firewire drive is in Mac format, you need a driver of some sort for the windows machine to read it. However, I don't know the name of that driver.

Peter Jefferson · April 9th, 2004, 10:26 PM

or she can run a windows shell within her mac and learn vegas :)

if you wnat a link to a tech related forum i administer which deals with macs and pretty much anythig tech related, email or pm me and i will send you the link.

if i cant help you, someone there will.

Jamison Olivieri · April 10th, 2004, 10:14 AM

Wait! i found out what it was. Ok so after uninstalling and reinstalling even trying a new firewire i could still not capture through vegas capture tool with out it stalling. So what i did was i saw a cheap little editing software catching dust on my bookshelf its called "video explosion" and now im capturing my footage through that software. It worked jus fine but i want to know if there is any prblem doing that. Any image quality loss or anything. After capturing i go to edit in vegas.

April 9th, 2004, 07:24 AM	#1202
David Hurdon Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 484	Some sound cards, like my Audigy Pro, have a function to record "what you hear". If your does you just hit record on its screen and then play with whatever software player handles the format. David Hurdon __________________ Site:http://www.faceliftmarketing.ca Blog:http://www.websitevideo.blogspot.com

April 9th, 2004, 07:25 AM	#1203
David Hurdon Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 484	Sorry, that's Audigy Platinum. David Hurdon __________________ Site:http://www.faceliftmarketing.ca Blog:http://www.websitevideo.blogspot.com

April 9th, 2004, 08:23 AM	#1207
Emre Safak Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,447	I am running Windows XP Pro Yes I did! As administrator I installed every patch (notably SP1) and de-activated every service I could. I can not uninstall the patches, but I can try re-activating the services to see if it makes a difference. I tried re-installating Vegas 4.0e to no avail. Thanks for the suggestions.

April 9th, 2004, 08:24 AM	#1208
David Hurdon Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 484	James, bring up your sound card's Mixer. It will show a master volume control and a number of others for mic/line/midi/headphones/ etc. Poke around looking for "What you Hear". If it's there somewhere you have the capability, and it might be superior to a 3rd party download-or not;-) David Hurdon __________________ Site:http://www.faceliftmarketing.ca Blog:http://www.websitevideo.blogspot.com

April 9th, 2004, 03:31 PM	#1210
Kevin Kimmell Major Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Akron, OH Posts: 209	Cananyone help my import FCP4 data into Vegas? (Sorry for the cross-post - thought maybe someone here would have already had this issue) Hi, I'm at a friends and we're trying to colaborate on a project. She's put together video and audio in Final Cut Pro 4 and needs to export or render it so that I can pull it into my PC editing program (I use Vegas). AVI's are fine so I don't think this will be a problem. The problem right nos is I know nothing about MACs and she knows enough to get her projects done just on the mac. We rendered from FCP4 but to my chagrin it didn't prompt for a filename or location and when we search her hard drives for files with names similar to the project and there's nothing sizable enough to be the 14 minute file that we rendered. Can anyone help me locate this magic file or perhaps explain the best way to output a high quality project from the mac so I can import it into my PC for further editing? Thanks, Kevin

April 9th, 2004, 06:11 AM	#1201
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Did you change any settings to "fine-tune" the OS? Specifically did you turn off terminal services? Did you install as an administrator?

April 9th, 2004, 07:32 AM	#1204
Jaime Valles Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: New York City, NY Posts: 316	I was just dealing with the same issue, using Final Cut Pro on a Mac. I purchased a song on the iTunes music store and tried to import it, but it also said it had problems with that file. After many dirfferent experiments, I figured out two options: a) burn the song onto a CD-R, then re-import it as an AIFF file. This should remove copy-protection. b) download a program that converts copy-protected files into AIFF files. The one I got is called aacConverter. I found it on Versiontracker.com, and it's freeware, but I think it's Mac only. I'm sure there must be something similar to this for Windows out there. Hope this helps!

April 9th, 2004, 07:59 AM	#1205
James Nyfeler Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 32	Actually, the music does not play from my MP3 player -- I have one that is a few years old, and it does not support the copy protection schemes that are in place, so I can't play it on my MP3 player. I can play it using musicmatch & Windows Media. My system is a Sony Vaio, and right now, I'm just using the built-in sound card (SiS 7012 Wave, I think). It does have a recorder, but I think it is looking to record from a mic. I tried downloading Audio Converter to convert the file to an MP3, but the application slapped my hand, indicating that the file is copy protected. I'm now in the process of trying several other apps that I'm finding on CNET to see if I can do what I want to do. I do want to point out that my objective is to merely use the music that I purchased from within Vegas, not to do anything that I shouldn't be doing.

April 9th, 2004, 08:11 AM	#1206
James Nyfeler Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 32	Okay, it seems I found the answer to my question -- thanks to those who responded. I downloaded a recorder that records anything coming through the speakers (Audio Playback Recorder -- found on CNET). I guess this is what David was referring to, although my system didn't seem to come with one (or I can't find it). Quality does not seem as good as the original, but for my purposes, it seems fine.

April 9th, 2004, 01:03 PM	#1209
John Britt Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 621	James Jaime had it about right -- the best way to "circumvent" copy protection in downloaded music is to burn it as audio to a CD using MusicMatch (or any other MP3 program you have that will play the song and will burn an audio CD) and then re-encode it as a mp3/wav/file of your choice. There is a very slight loss in quality due to re-encoding, but I think it's a better way to handle this problem (and I've done it both ways -- burning to CD and also looping the audio from the output back into the PC) [by the way, this information is given to help people with "Fair Use" copying of music they have purchased. Please try to adhere to copyright laws when creating commercial works]

April 9th, 2004, 05:10 PM	#1211
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Vegas can accept MOV straight from FCP. Just render to a new MOV or AVI file and you should be fine. How are you planning to transfer the file between the two computers?

April 9th, 2004, 05:26 PM	#1212
Kevin Kimmell Major Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Akron, OH Posts: 209	<<<-- Originally posted by Edward Troxel : Vegas can accept MOV straight from FCP. Just render to a new MOV or AVI file and you should be fine. How are you planning to transfer the file between the two computers? -->>> I diddled around enough to get access to some folders on the MAC. The pain in the arse bit is that I can't figure out how to access her firewire drive so we have to move the chunks from there to folders on the local hard drive. If you know the trick to getting access to the firewire drive through the apple networking I would be muchos appreciative. Thanks, Kevin

April 9th, 2004, 05:38 PM	#1213
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	It really depends on the formatting of the firewire drive. If the firewire drive is in FAT32, it will be readable by both. If the firewire drive is in Mac format, you need a driver of some sort for the windows machine to read it. However, I don't know the name of that driver.

April 9th, 2004, 10:26 PM	#1214
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	or she can run a windows shell within her mac and learn vegas :) if you wnat a link to a tech related forum i administer which deals with macs and pretty much anythig tech related, email or pm me and i will send you the link. if i cant help you, someone there will.

April 10th, 2004, 10:14 AM	#1215
Jamison Olivieri Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: CA Posts: 50	Wait! i found out what it was. Ok so after uninstalling and reinstalling even trying a new firewire i could still not capture through vegas capture tool with out it stalling. So what i did was i saw a cheap little editing software catching dust on my bookshelf its called "video explosion" and now im capturing my footage through that software. It worked jus fine but i want to know if there is any prblem doing that. Any image quality loss or anything. After capturing i go to edit in vegas.