Vegas Video discussions from 2004 (Q1Q2)

Glenn Chan · March 14th, 2004, 01:03 AM

Well if you incorporate computer generated elements (like titles) then technically you can benefit from uncompressed. But then you need to export to a format then benefits from uncompressed and the quality difference isn't much.

Dushan Horvat · March 14th, 2004, 01:30 AM

Thank you Edward...even png! Might be vegas for me soon!

Rob Lohman · March 14th, 2004, 06:37 AM

If you are new to Vegas I'm wondering why you are trying the
3.0 version instead of the 4.0 version?

Edward Troxel · March 14th, 2004, 06:46 AM

I'm afraid you'll really need to contact Tech Support on this one. I've never heard or seen it happen.

The only *possible* solution I can think of: are you using large fonts? If yes, try using a standard font instead.

Rob Lohman · March 14th, 2004, 06:58 AM

Are you perhaps running with some off font size? Or perhaps have
the default font size set to LARGE or EXTRA LARGE instead of
NORMAL? You can check this out by right-clicking on an empty
space on your desktop and then select properties. This will get
you in to the display properties screen. Font size can be found
under the Appearance tab.

Kristopher Mallory · March 14th, 2004, 07:14 AM

i was doing some research on this last night and trying verious things to try and fix it, i realized that prehaps the problem isn't vegas at all.

i started checking other programs on my computer and seen the problem elsewhere. some pop-up menus will not have a scroll bar and cannot be resized.

so it has to be something wrong with windows or a program i installed recently changed a setting or messed something up in the registry.

im happy it isn't vegas, but i can tell this isn't goig to be an eazy thing to fix.

i'll keep you guys updated.

Rob Lohman · March 14th, 2004, 07:24 AM

Which OS are you running? Try installing the latest service pack
again. If that doesn't help you might need to install the OS from
scratch...

Graham Bernard · March 14th, 2004, 07:50 AM

You got a System Restore option?

I've often had to use this just to "get-back" to a set up I liked . . this would have been the result of loading a programme that was going South . . quickly too ...

System Restore? / . . gotta be worth a Punt ..

Grazie

Tor Salomonsen · March 14th, 2004, 08:27 AM

These are good suggestions. Especially if you want to use the effect several times in the same video. The altered form will immediately identify the sequence and link it to the previous installment.
However, a cruder and simpler method could be to treat the sequence as a PIP (picture in picture). Start it as small as you can on the person's forehead (you may have to fade it in over a few frames to make it look like it's zooming from infinity) and zoom it rather quickly out to cover the entire frame.
Alternative: crossfade to the sequence via a short ultrafast pan.

You see, you are talking about two things: Dreaming and thinking back. Spot's suggestions creates the air of someone dreaming, falling asleep, or under the influence of a drug. But thinking back usually creates crystal sharp images (or as happens with me sometimes: total blackness). So you need a signal saying you are shifting the "present" time. But you need not make the entire sequence any different from the "other present" time. Mechanical things have been used to achieve this: clocks spinning backwards, leves falling off a calendar etc.
Sounds, too, could be used for this.

Edit: Just occurred to me: The leaves falling off the calendar would have to be reversed to make sense. But that would send a very obvious signal - perhaps too obvious?

Federico Dib · March 14th, 2004, 09:12 AM

I don´t know if you have allready shot the scenes...
But one method I like is just simply going black and white or very desaturated (maybe a little blur) and also add an opposite camera movement style than the "real time".
For example, if you have a very smooth pans, travellings, steady shots on your "real time".. on the dream-flashback go for a handheld effect...

I think it´s more subtle.. but of course the degree of subtleness will depend on whatever you need for your story.

David Ho · March 14th, 2004, 09:33 AM

Hello, I just got Vegas 4.0 and using it. I overall like the product, but there are some things I've tried looking over and over but can't figure it out! Now, what I do normally is just drag the whole clip onto the timeline, then edit there by deleting the clips I don't want and then dragging them next to each other. If I want a transition, I just drag it over and it should auto-crossfade, but my question is, whenever I delete any clips and then I zoom into that the end/beginning of that clip, there will be a blue curvy line and you can set the "fade offset". Now I messed around and made the fade offset at different times and different lengths, then replayed the footage, I saw no difference. What does this fade offset do? It seems to be automatic and not doing anything. I can make it longer too by extending the blue line and different shapes...

David Ho · March 14th, 2004, 10:19 AM

I'm a little confused about the whole color correction. I tried messing around but I get lost every time I do this. How do I get that color correction diagram to appear? Each time I drag like the Video FX "Color Corrector" to the whole piece, I get the color corrector screen, but sometimes I get the color corrector diagram options with the two circles where you can set gamma, brightness, saturation, etc.... also on the timeline, what are the bluish tick marks that appear on the corners of every clip? I got them after messing around with the color corrector and now I can't get rid of it!

Vince Debart · March 14th, 2004, 10:35 AM

a co worker had 3.0 and I wanted to se if I could in fact edit video on this computer if so I would buy 4.0

Thanks

Vince

Don Donatello · March 14th, 2004, 12:43 PM

YES ! titles ... forgot about them - and color text especially benifits from uncompressed clips and then rendering to the formats you need..

if i'm using alot of color text titles i'll render out the final project r to a intermediate format ( QT- using microcosms codec ( cost $) 4:4:4 , if short project then uncompressed avi) then from that i'll render out a ntsc DV avi for tape, a mpeg 2 for DVD and WMV 9 etc i have found that the color titles hold up much better for DVD rendering from the uncompressed clip VS rendering the mpeg from the dv.avi. it is not as big of difference on white text but red/blue etc it makes a big difference.

Edward Troxel · March 14th, 2004, 12:46 PM

If you are dragging the color correction FX to the event multiple times, you will have multiple instances of the FX added to that media. To get the effects screens back, you either need to go to the end of the clip and click on the FX button or right click the clip and choose the proper option. You can then work with the original FX instead of adding more.

March 14th, 2004, 06:37 AM	#768
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	If you are new to Vegas I'm wondering why you are trying the 3.0 version instead of the 4.0 version? __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

March 14th, 2004, 06:58 AM	#770
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Are you perhaps running with some off font size? Or perhaps have the default font size set to LARGE or EXTRA LARGE instead of NORMAL? You can check this out by right-clicking on an empty space on your desktop and then select properties. This will get you in to the display properties screen. Font size can be found under the Appearance tab. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

March 14th, 2004, 07:14 AM	#771
Kristopher Mallory Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Glen Burnie, MD Posts: 60	i was doing some research on this last night and trying verious things to try and fix it, i realized that prehaps the problem isn't vegas at all. i started checking other programs on my computer and seen the problem elsewhere. some pop-up menus will not have a scroll bar and cannot be resized. so it has to be something wrong with windows or a program i installed recently changed a setting or messed something up in the registry. im happy it isn't vegas, but i can tell this isn't goig to be an eazy thing to fix. i'll keep you guys updated. __________________ krismallory@gmail.com http://www.stealthfiction.com Ad your site to our Directory!

March 14th, 2004, 07:24 AM	#772
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Which OS are you running? Try installing the latest service pack again. If that doesn't help you might need to install the OS from scratch... __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

March 14th, 2004, 07:50 AM	#773
Graham Bernard Old Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London UK Posts: 3,633	System Restore .. ? You got a System Restore option? I've often had to use this just to "get-back" to a set up I liked . . this would have been the result of loading a programme that was going South . . quickly too ... System Restore? / . . gotta be worth a Punt .. Grazie

March 14th, 2004, 01:03 AM	#766
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	Well if you incorporate computer generated elements (like titles) then technically you can benefit from uncompressed. But then you need to export to a format then benefits from uncompressed and the quality difference isn't much.

March 14th, 2004, 01:30 AM	#767
Dushan Horvat New Boot Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 22	Thank you Edward...even png! Might be vegas for me soon!

March 14th, 2004, 06:46 AM	#769
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I'm afraid you'll really need to contact Tech Support on this one. I've never heard or seen it happen. The only possible solution I can think of: are you using large fonts? If yes, try using a standard font instead.

March 14th, 2004, 08:27 AM	#774
Tor Salomonsen Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Stavanger, Norway Posts: 265	These are good suggestions. Especially if you want to use the effect several times in the same video. The altered form will immediately identify the sequence and link it to the previous installment. However, a cruder and simpler method could be to treat the sequence as a PIP (picture in picture). Start it as small as you can on the person's forehead (you may have to fade it in over a few frames to make it look like it's zooming from infinity) and zoom it rather quickly out to cover the entire frame. Alternative: crossfade to the sequence via a short ultrafast pan. You see, you are talking about two things: Dreaming and thinking back. Spot's suggestions creates the air of someone dreaming, falling asleep, or under the influence of a drug. But thinking back usually creates crystal sharp images (or as happens with me sometimes: total blackness). So you need a signal saying you are shifting the "present" time. But you need not make the entire sequence any different from the "other present" time. Mechanical things have been used to achieve this: clocks spinning backwards, leves falling off a calendar etc. Sounds, too, could be used for this. Edit: Just occurred to me: The leaves falling off the calendar would have to be reversed to make sense. But that would send a very obvious signal - perhaps too obvious?

March 14th, 2004, 09:12 AM	#775
Federico Dib Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Barcelona Posts: 312	I don´t know if you have allready shot the scenes... But one method I like is just simply going black and white or very desaturated (maybe a little blur) and also add an opposite camera movement style than the "real time". For example, if you have a very smooth pans, travellings, steady shots on your "real time".. on the dream-flashback go for a handheld effect... I think it´s more subtle.. but of course the degree of subtleness will depend on whatever you need for your story. __________________ Messenger Boy : The Thessalonian you're fighting, he's the biggest man I've ever seen. I wouldn't want to fight him. Achilles : That is why no one will remember your name.

March 14th, 2004, 09:33 AM	#776
David Ho Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 354	Curvy fade line after deleting parts? Hello, I just got Vegas 4.0 and using it. I overall like the product, but there are some things I've tried looking over and over but can't figure it out! Now, what I do normally is just drag the whole clip onto the timeline, then edit there by deleting the clips I don't want and then dragging them next to each other. If I want a transition, I just drag it over and it should auto-crossfade, but my question is, whenever I delete any clips and then I zoom into that the end/beginning of that clip, there will be a blue curvy line and you can set the "fade offset". Now I messed around and made the fade offset at different times and different lengths, then replayed the footage, I saw no difference. What does this fade offset do? It seems to be automatic and not doing anything. I can make it longer too by extending the blue line and different shapes... __________________ "Everyone has a photographic memory. Some just don't have film."

March 14th, 2004, 10:19 AM	#777
David Ho Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 354	Question about color corrector diagram I'm a little confused about the whole color correction. I tried messing around but I get lost every time I do this. How do I get that color correction diagram to appear? Each time I drag like the Video FX "Color Corrector" to the whole piece, I get the color corrector screen, but sometimes I get the color corrector diagram options with the two circles where you can set gamma, brightness, saturation, etc.... also on the timeline, what are the bluish tick marks that appear on the corners of every clip? I got them after messing around with the color corrector and now I can't get rid of it! __________________ "Everyone has a photographic memory. Some just don't have film."

March 14th, 2004, 10:35 AM	#778
Vince Debart Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Denver Posts: 254	a co worker had 3.0 and I wanted to se if I could in fact edit video on this computer if so I would buy 4.0 Thanks Vince

March 14th, 2004, 12:43 PM	#779
Don Donatello Hawaiian Shirt Mogul Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: northern cailfornia Posts: 1,261	YES ! titles ... forgot about them - and color text especially benifits from uncompressed clips and then rendering to the formats you need.. if i'm using alot of color text titles i'll render out the final project r to a intermediate format ( QT- using microcosms codec ( cost $) 4:4:4 , if short project then uncompressed avi) then from that i'll render out a ntsc DV avi for tape, a mpeg 2 for DVD and WMV 9 etc i have found that the color titles hold up much better for DVD rendering from the uncompressed clip VS rendering the mpeg from the dv.avi. it is not as big of difference on white text but red/blue etc it makes a big difference.

March 14th, 2004, 12:46 PM	#780
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	If you are dragging the color correction FX to the event multiple times, you will have multiple instances of the FX added to that media. To get the effects screens back, you either need to go to the end of the clip and click on the FX button or right click the clip and choose the proper option. You can then work with the original FX instead of adding more.