Vegas Video discussions from 2004 (Q1Q2)

Matt McDermitt · March 13th, 2004, 03:33 AM

Is there any way to export UNCOMPRESSED video back to tape? I own the DVX-100 and the "NTSC DV" codec Vegas provides is really effecting the quality of my images - espcially when viewed on a television. The uncompressed video on my computer monitor looks much sharper than the "compressed" version that I print to tape and view on my flatscreen TV. I shoot and edit in 24p advanced mode.

Thanks! Please help me out, this is urgent, I need to deliever this video!

-Matt

Glenn Chan · March 13th, 2004, 04:37 AM

You can't do that (if mastering to DV tape).

Why don't you try fixing why your footage looks bad? It might just be a format conversion messing everything up (NTSC vs PAL, 720X486 vs 720X480) or that your signal chain from deck to TV isn't very sharp.

Edward Troxel · March 13th, 2004, 07:06 AM

To Print To Tape, Vegas must convert the signal to DV. However, the footage you are capturing from the DVX will be in DV format already.

Have you read the Vegas 24p whitepaper?

Edward Troxel · March 13th, 2004, 07:14 AM

Just for a test, can you borrow his camera and try capturing his tapes from there?

Jeff Toogood · March 13th, 2004, 08:30 AM

Well you see, he already did capture all his tapes but for some reason his captured files crash Windows media player on mine and his computer, so he asked me to try and capture the tapes with my camera.

So it really has to be something with the tape.

But also remember I can capture these tapes no problem with DVIO.

Edward Troxel · March 13th, 2004, 10:12 AM

Do the files crash Vegas? What if you re-rendered from Vegas?

Jeff Toogood · March 13th, 2004, 11:24 AM

The files don't crash vegas and I can render to DV-AVI and play them back fine.

Very weird.

I guess it isn't a really big deal, just very weird.

Mike Moncrief · March 13th, 2004, 11:32 AM

Hello all,

so far I have made several DVD's in Architect, that have been menu based.. and it works quite well.. But hoping for nice upgrade in Architect 2.0
anyway one thing I have not done, is burn a DVD with the single video file option.. Instead of burning a DVD for the sake of it.. I am asking those that have used this option..When you put the DVD in a TV setop type DVd player.. does it just launch into video?/ is there a menu with a single icon??/ what happens on a DVD player in a computer?? Do you need to use mycomputer , look at DVD drive and double click on the filename?/ or does it launch itself??

thanks in advance

mike

one thing I would like to see in Architects new version, is when you click on a menu , it would be nice to have a small audi file paly, amybe a sound effect and even a small transition type video clip to launch you into the selected piece.. not sure what this is offically called in DVD Authoring jargon.. but have seen it on commercial DVD's..

Edward Troxel · March 13th, 2004, 02:39 PM

When making a "Single Movie" DVD, you insert the DVD into the player, the movie will automatically start (with NO menus of any sort) and play to the end and stop.

Dave Largent · March 13th, 2004, 05:33 PM

I'm looking for ideas on how to create a "dreamy
effect". What I need this for is a situation
where the person is thinking back to something
that went on previously, so I need this effect to
show that the events being thought about
are not really happening; they're just a
flashback. I've thought about maybe using
a soft black border, or maybe a soft blur, or
both. Maybe a glow effect? I'm looking for other (better) options.
Anyone have any ideas?

Dushan Horvat · March 13th, 2004, 05:34 PM

Hi all,

Can you render out Targa, Tiff, BMP, JPEG ect sequences out of Vegas?

Thank you..

-- Ooops, just downloaded the demo and just found it! Yes, it can it seems..

Douglas Spotted Eagle · March 13th, 2004, 06:33 PM

You can:
Put a mask over the video, using a large cookie cutter circle or oval. Apply quite a bit of feathering to this.
Then apply a slight spherize filter to the video beneath the mask. apply a tiny amount of blur, and slightly desaturate the colors.
If you want to get even more creative, find a little footage of water, use the displacement map to make the video image 'wavy' while the dream is taking place. Between the wavy, the blur, and the diffused cookie cutter mask, it will convey the concept well.
There are myriad ways of doing this, but thought I'd throw one of them out there.

Edward Troxel · March 13th, 2004, 07:56 PM

You can save a series of PNG or JPG using a script. You can also frameserve to another program such as VirtualDub which should let you do some other formats as well.

Kristopher Mallory · March 14th, 2004, 12:01 AM

i have a problem with my preferance menu and prehaps other issues i have yet to find in vegas 4.0e prehaps some of you can help me out.

my preferance menu apears to be too small (width wise) and i cant seem to resize it. for example if selecting the video tab the part that says "prefered video capture aplication....then it list the location yet i cant change it because the right hand side where the clickable buton should be is cut off. again it's as if the preferance window needs to be resized to the right about 3 inches but i cant resize it at all.

if there is anyway to fix this someone please help. there are a lot of setting i cant seem to change because of this problem.

ADDED: i just checked project properties tab and it seems to be the same case. the pop-up is a set size and i cant change it or scroll down. this one cuts off right in the middle of the "Free storage space" i can only see half the letters and nothing below it.

this is a strage problem, i just started working with vegas and hadn't noticed the problem until i purchased Douglas spotted eagle's workshop book (excellent book btw) and i needed to change a setting.

*crosses fingers* hopes someone has a solution.

Don Donatello · March 14th, 2004, 12:53 AM

somethings must be set up wrong somewhere in your system.
your original tapes were shot using dvx100 .. the data is then transferred to your hard drive. the IMAGE can't get any better. if you then render out a uncompressed avi or QT it is NOT going to be any better then the original... infact just to view a uncompressed video in Vegas to see the quality of uncompressed you would need to have preview set to BEST full and that takes up alot of CPU ... if you then go out to NTSC Vegas must convert the uncompressed back into a compressed dv file ( use BEST FULL in Vegas preview) .

are you just comparing your dv tape on the NTSC TV to your uncompressed clip on your computer screen ? perhaps your computer display is sharper then your NTSC ? is the NTSC TV set up to SMPTE color bars ? is your computer monitor set to bars ?
how does the rendered NTSC DV clip look on your computer monitor when you compare it to the uncompressed clip ?

in Vegas do you have ignore 3rd party codec's checked .. by any chance have you ever had any pinnacle NLE's on your computer?

when you render in Vegas do you have rendering quality set to good or BEST ? set it to BEST ..

i see you shoot & edit in 24pA .. when you render to NTSC DV which pull down are you using ? 2:3 or 2:3:3:3 ?

March 13th, 2004, 03:33 AM	#751
Matt McDermitt New Boot Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 21	Help! Uncompressed!? Is there any way to export UNCOMPRESSED video back to tape? I own the DVX-100 and the "NTSC DV" codec Vegas provides is really effecting the quality of my images - espcially when viewed on a television. The uncompressed video on my computer monitor looks much sharper than the "compressed" version that I print to tape and view on my flatscreen TV. I shoot and edit in 24p advanced mode. Thanks! Please help me out, this is urgent, I need to deliever this video! -Matt

March 13th, 2004, 11:32 AM	#758
Mike Moncrief Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: orlando florida Posts: 426	Architect-Single file Hello all, so far I have made several DVD's in Architect, that have been menu based.. and it works quite well.. But hoping for nice upgrade in Architect 2.0 anyway one thing I have not done, is burn a DVD with the single video file option.. Instead of burning a DVD for the sake of it.. I am asking those that have used this option..When you put the DVD in a TV setop type DVd player.. does it just launch into video?/ is there a menu with a single icon??/ what happens on a DVD player in a computer?? Do you need to use mycomputer , look at DVD drive and double click on the filename?/ or does it launch itself?? thanks in advance mike one thing I would like to see in Architects new version, is when you click on a menu , it would be nice to have a small audi file paly, amybe a sound effect and even a small transition type video clip to launch you into the selected piece.. not sure what this is offically called in DVD Authoring jargon.. but have seen it on commercial DVD's.. __________________ Mike Moncrief mikemoncrief@gmail.com www.themikemoncrief.com

March 13th, 2004, 05:33 PM	#760
Dave Largent Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,483	Dreamy Effect I'm looking for ideas on how to create a "dreamy effect". What I need this for is a situation where the person is thinking back to something that went on previously, so I need this effect to show that the events being thought about are not really happening; they're just a flashback. I've thought about maybe using a soft black border, or maybe a soft blur, or both. Maybe a glow effect? I'm looking for other (better) options. Anyone have any ideas?

March 13th, 2004, 05:34 PM	#761
Dushan Horvat New Boot Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 22	Targa, Tiff ect sequences Hi all, Can you render out Targa, Tiff, BMP, JPEG ect sequences out of Vegas? Thank you.. -- Ooops, just downloaded the demo and just found it! Yes, it can it seems..

March 13th, 2004, 06:33 PM	#762
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	You can: Put a mask over the video, using a large cookie cutter circle or oval. Apply quite a bit of feathering to this. Then apply a slight spherize filter to the video beneath the mask. apply a tiny amount of blur, and slightly desaturate the colors. If you want to get even more creative, find a little footage of water, use the displacement map to make the video image 'wavy' while the dream is taking place. Between the wavy, the blur, and the diffused cookie cutter mask, it will convey the concept well. There are myriad ways of doing this, but thought I'd throw one of them out there. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

March 13th, 2004, 04:37 AM	#752
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	You can't do that (if mastering to DV tape). Why don't you try fixing why your footage looks bad? It might just be a format conversion messing everything up (NTSC vs PAL, 720X486 vs 720X480) or that your signal chain from deck to TV isn't very sharp.

March 13th, 2004, 07:06 AM	#753
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	To Print To Tape, Vegas must convert the signal to DV. However, the footage you are capturing from the DVX will be in DV format already. Have you read the Vegas 24p whitepaper?

March 13th, 2004, 07:14 AM	#754
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Just for a test, can you borrow his camera and try capturing his tapes from there?

March 13th, 2004, 08:30 AM	#755
Jeff Toogood Major Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: St.Thomas, Ontario, CANADA Posts: 428	Well you see, he already did capture all his tapes but for some reason his captured files crash Windows media player on mine and his computer, so he asked me to try and capture the tapes with my camera. So it really has to be something with the tape. But also remember I can capture these tapes no problem with DVIO.

March 13th, 2004, 10:12 AM	#756
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Do the files crash Vegas? What if you re-rendered from Vegas?

March 13th, 2004, 11:24 AM	#757
Jeff Toogood Major Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: St.Thomas, Ontario, CANADA Posts: 428	The files don't crash vegas and I can render to DV-AVI and play them back fine. Very weird. I guess it isn't a really big deal, just very weird.

March 13th, 2004, 02:39 PM	#759
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	When making a "Single Movie" DVD, you insert the DVD into the player, the movie will automatically start (with NO menus of any sort) and play to the end and stop.

March 13th, 2004, 07:56 PM	#763
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	You can save a series of PNG or JPG using a script. You can also frameserve to another program such as VirtualDub which should let you do some other formats as well.

March 14th, 2004, 12:01 AM	#764
Kristopher Mallory Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Glen Burnie, MD Posts: 60	Messed up preference menu i have a problem with my preferance menu and prehaps other issues i have yet to find in vegas 4.0e prehaps some of you can help me out. my preferance menu apears to be too small (width wise) and i cant seem to resize it. for example if selecting the video tab the part that says "prefered video capture aplication....then it list the location yet i cant change it because the right hand side where the clickable buton should be is cut off. again it's as if the preferance window needs to be resized to the right about 3 inches but i cant resize it at all. if there is anyway to fix this someone please help. there are a lot of setting i cant seem to change because of this problem. ADDED: i just checked project properties tab and it seems to be the same case. the pop-up is a set size and i cant change it or scroll down. this one cuts off right in the middle of the "Free storage space" i can only see half the letters and nothing below it. this is a strage problem, i just started working with vegas and hadn't noticed the problem until i purchased Douglas spotted eagle's workshop book (excellent book btw) and i needed to change a setting. crosses fingers hopes someone has a solution. __________________ krismallory@gmail.com http://www.stealthfiction.com Ad your site to our Directory!

March 14th, 2004, 12:53 AM	#765
Don Donatello Hawaiian Shirt Mogul Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: northern cailfornia Posts: 1,261	somethings must be set up wrong somewhere in your system. your original tapes were shot using dvx100 .. the data is then transferred to your hard drive. the IMAGE can't get any better. if you then render out a uncompressed avi or QT it is NOT going to be any better then the original... infact just to view a uncompressed video in Vegas to see the quality of uncompressed you would need to have preview set to BEST full and that takes up alot of CPU ... if you then go out to NTSC Vegas must convert the uncompressed back into a compressed dv file ( use BEST FULL in Vegas preview) . are you just comparing your dv tape on the NTSC TV to your uncompressed clip on your computer screen ? perhaps your computer display is sharper then your NTSC ? is the NTSC TV set up to SMPTE color bars ? is your computer monitor set to bars ? how does the rendered NTSC DV clip look on your computer monitor when you compare it to the uncompressed clip ? in Vegas do you have ignore 3rd party codec's checked .. by any chance have you ever had any pinnacle NLE's on your computer? when you render in Vegas do you have rendering quality set to good or BEST ? set it to BEST .. i see you shoot & edit in 24pA .. when you render to NTSC DV which pull down are you using ? 2:3 or 2:3:3:3 ?