Vegas Video discussions from 2004 (Q1Q2)

Edward Troxel · June 26th, 2004, 02:47 PM

It's simply a lite version of the full Boris product. I believe it runs standalone (i.e. not directly from the timeline) unlike the full product.

Stephen Sobel · June 26th, 2004, 05:52 PM

I'm trying to compare Panda Titanium, AntiVir, and AVG. I am interested in hearing pros and cons of each of these three antivirus softwares. Also, any compatibility issues with Vegas DVDA?

P.S. I am not trying to start a debate on the merits of hardware versus software solutions, nor the merits of using or not using antivirus software. I have already crossed those bridges, so to speak.

Mark Williams · June 26th, 2004, 06:18 PM

Don't know about compatibility with Vegas but AVG has worked very well for me. The "free version" located and isolated a virus on my computer that the others could not. TechTV has a very high rating for AVG. Of course if you really want to be safe don't have your NLE computer hooked to the internet. HA HA how many of us have taken this advice.....

Regards,

Mark

Federico Dib · June 26th, 2004, 06:32 PM

I´ve been using AVG (free version) for more than a year, and it performs really well...

PROS:

It hasn´t given me any conflicts with vegas or any other software...

It is very fast when loading and startup.

It doesn´t consume much resources..

It´s transparent for me... I don´t notice it´s there...

It upgrades with no problems or hassles..

It detects a lot of stuff other don´t..

IT IS FREE

CONS:

It also doesn´t detect a few thing that others do...

I think that the scan is a little slow.. but it could be my machine...

Still, besides a daily scan with AVG while I´m at lunch... I also do periodical scans with Panda On-line and/or HouseCall...

Glenn Chan · June 26th, 2004, 06:36 PM

Some recommend NOD32 for 2 reasons:
1- It scans fast.
2- "For more than six years, NOD32 remains the only antivirus system in the world that has not missed any 'In the Wild' virus in the prestigious tests performed by the international magazine - Virus Bulletin."

Second opinion:
http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/artic...39,pg,1,00.asp

PC magazine likes PCIllin since it gives a great bundle of a good firewall and antivirus software.

ANG Antivirus FREE is good too because it's free. :)

Aaron J.H. Walker · June 26th, 2004, 06:57 PM

Thanks Edward, as always, you have been most helpful.

David Jasany · June 27th, 2004, 10:49 AM

Jason,

As Edward said, I also believe the Boris light version that comes with V5 runs only as a standalone product.

Many people, including myself, haven't bothered with Boris Light because of the program's complexity. It's not a very intuitive program, to say the least.

Some people are starting to use Wild FX Pro at www.wildform.com and Swishmax at www.swishzone.com for more interesting and complex titles.

Dave

David Jasany · June 27th, 2004, 01:44 PM

All of the DVDs I've produced with Vegas4,5 and DVDA 1, 2 use interlace format. Recently I've been shooting with a Canon Elura in Progressive Scan mode. However, I've always rendered in interlace format. I know there's no advantage to shooting in progressive scan if I render in interlace format. Maybe there's even some degradation.

But now I would like to burn a test DVD using progressive mode and compare it to my interlace burned DVD. In V5, I've rendered a loop region using Main Concepts MPEG-2 encoder, and I've selected the custom template, and chose progressive only field order.

Render completed, opened the project in DVDA2, and burned DVD.

Is there a way to tell if my project on DVD is really in progressive scan mode? I didn't see any choices in DVDA2 file properties for progressive vs. interlace. Or, can I somehow look at the properties of the rendered MPEG-2 file and see that it's in progressive scan video format?

Thanks.

Dave

David Jasany · June 27th, 2004, 01:57 PM

As luck would have it, I found the answer to my question just after posting it Using the explorer view in Vegas, all I had to do is click on the rendered MPEG file and it shows me it's in progressive scan.

I'm still curious if in DVDA2 I can view the project's video properties and see that it's in progressive video format.

Joe Carney · June 27th, 2004, 05:37 PM

http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.com
is down. So if you didn't download 5b (like me) you will
have to wait. They didnt say how long, only that the site was being upgraded.

Edward Troxel · June 27th, 2004, 07:56 PM

The pre-messages announcing the down time said between 5:00pm and 11:00pm Central Time. So it should be up in a couple more hours.

Rob Lohman · June 28th, 2004, 02:55 AM

If you have a software DVD player installed you can usually
set how it de-interlaces the footage and if it should de-interlace
at all. If you setup it that it doesn't de-interlace you should
be able to watch the footage in there and see horizontal
crawling of lines with moving footage if it is interlaced instead
of progressive.

Adi Head · June 28th, 2004, 03:19 AM

i am completely new to making DVD's. i went through the DVD ARCHITECT 2.0 manual and a couple of questions came up.

1. from what i understand DVD ARCHITECT 2.0 will only make uncompressed DVD with the following file formats: MPEG-2, AC-3 and PCM. so when i render a project with VEGAS, i should render it to the mentioned file formats. is this correct?

2. the DVD ARCHITECT, under PAL MPEG video (pg. 23), says the following: "If you're using the MainConcept MPEG-2 encoder in the Vegas software, use the DVD Architect PAL video stream template to render your video stream (you'll need to render your audio steram separately according to the parameters listed in the AC-3 audio or PCM audio sections)."
does this mean that when i render the project in vegas, i have to render the project twice? once only the video tracks to an MPEG-2 file and then render only the audio tracks to an AC-3 or PCM file, making seperate video and audio files to work with in DVD ARCHITECT?

thanks

Rob Lohman · June 28th, 2004, 03:37 AM

1. No that is incorrect. DVD is *NOT* uncompressed. MPEG2 is a COMPRESSION (format). Therefor it is NOT uncompressed. Also DVDA can ALSO do the compression to MPEG2. So it also accepts at least AVI in. But yes, you can do this encoding in Vegas as well.

2. yes, that is the best method to do

Adi Head · June 28th, 2004, 04:00 AM

so if i have a project (length: 1 hour) which i edited on VEGAS and now i want to make it a DVD, using DVD ARCHITECT, should i render the video tracks as .avi or mpeg-2? and audio tracks as AC-3 or PCM?

i know that MPEG-2 is a compressed format, but an .avi file of 1 hour will be too large to fit on a DVD so it'll have to be compressed somehow. the DVD ARCHITECT manual states the following (chapter 2, pg. 21): "The following files will not require recompression if encoded with proper parameters: MPEG-2, PCM, and AC-3."
does this mean that it is a prefered method to render to MPEG-2, etc. so that the files don't have to be re-rendered? or are there better methods, as far as preserving quality is concerened?

my question basically is: what is the prefered method of rendering a project on VEGAS, to be made later into a DVD using DVD ARCHITECT, while preserving quality as much as possible of both video and audo?

June 26th, 2004, 05:52 PM	#2057
Stephen Sobel Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 408	Panda Titanium, AntiVir, and AVG I'm trying to compare Panda Titanium, AntiVir, and AVG. I am interested in hearing pros and cons of each of these three antivirus softwares. Also, any compatibility issues with Vegas DVDA? P.S. I am not trying to start a debate on the merits of hardware versus software solutions, nor the merits of using or not using antivirus software. I have already crossed those bridges, so to speak.

June 26th, 2004, 06:32 PM	#2059
Federico Dib Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Barcelona Posts: 312	I´ve been using AVG (free version) for more than a year, and it performs really well... PROS: It hasn´t given me any conflicts with vegas or any other software... It is very fast when loading and startup. It doesn´t consume much resources.. It´s transparent for me... I don´t notice it´s there... It upgrades with no problems or hassles.. It detects a lot of stuff other don´t.. IT IS FREE CONS: It also doesn´t detect a few thing that others do... I think that the scan is a little slow.. but it could be my machine... Still, besides a daily scan with AVG while I´m at lunch... I also do periodical scans with Panda On-line and/or HouseCall... __________________ Messenger Boy : The Thessalonian you're fighting, he's the biggest man I've ever seen. I wouldn't want to fight him. Achilles : That is why no one will remember your name.

June 27th, 2004, 01:44 PM	#2063
David Jasany Major Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 313	Progressive Scan DVD Test All of the DVDs I've produced with Vegas4,5 and DVDA 1, 2 use interlace format. Recently I've been shooting with a Canon Elura in Progressive Scan mode. However, I've always rendered in interlace format. I know there's no advantage to shooting in progressive scan if I render in interlace format. Maybe there's even some degradation. But now I would like to burn a test DVD using progressive mode and compare it to my interlace burned DVD. In V5, I've rendered a loop region using Main Concepts MPEG-2 encoder, and I've selected the custom template, and chose progressive only field order. Render completed, opened the project in DVDA2, and burned DVD. Is there a way to tell if my project on DVD is really in progressive scan mode? I didn't see any choices in DVDA2 file properties for progressive vs. interlace. Or, can I somehow look at the properties of the rendered MPEG-2 file and see that it's in progressive scan video format? Thanks. Dave

June 27th, 2004, 05:37 PM	#2065
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	Sony site is down http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.com is down. So if you didn't download 5b (like me) you will have to wait. They didnt say how long, only that the site was being upgraded.

June 28th, 2004, 02:55 AM	#2067
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	If you have a software DVD player installed you can usually set how it de-interlaces the footage and if it should de-interlace at all. If you setup it that it doesn't de-interlace you should be able to watch the footage in there and see horizontal crawling of lines with moving footage if it is interlaced instead of progressive. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

June 26th, 2004, 02:47 PM	#2056
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	It's simply a lite version of the full Boris product. I believe it runs standalone (i.e. not directly from the timeline) unlike the full product.

June 26th, 2004, 06:18 PM	#2058
Mark Williams Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Deep South, U.S. Posts: 1,526	Don't know about compatibility with Vegas but AVG has worked very well for me. The "free version" located and isolated a virus on my computer that the others could not. TechTV has a very high rating for AVG. Of course if you really want to be safe don't have your NLE computer hooked to the internet. HA HA how many of us have taken this advice..... Regards, Mark

June 26th, 2004, 06:36 PM	#2060
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	Some recommend NOD32 for 2 reasons: 1- It scans fast. 2- "For more than six years, NOD32 remains the only antivirus system in the world that has not missed any 'In the Wild' virus in the prestigious tests performed by the international magazine - Virus Bulletin." Second opinion: http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/artic...39,pg,1,00.asp PC magazine likes PCIllin since it gives a great bundle of a good firewall and antivirus software. ANG Antivirus FREE is good too because it's free. :)

June 26th, 2004, 06:57 PM	#2061
Aaron J.H. Walker Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Victorville, California Posts: 30	Thanks Edward, as always, you have been most helpful.

June 27th, 2004, 10:49 AM	#2062
David Jasany Major Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 313	Jason, As Edward said, I also believe the Boris light version that comes with V5 runs only as a standalone product. Many people, including myself, haven't bothered with Boris Light because of the program's complexity. It's not a very intuitive program, to say the least. Some people are starting to use Wild FX Pro at www.wildform.com and Swishmax at www.swishzone.com for more interesting and complex titles. Dave

June 27th, 2004, 01:57 PM	#2064
David Jasany Major Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 313	As luck would have it, I found the answer to my question just after posting it Using the explorer view in Vegas, all I had to do is click on the rendered MPEG file and it shows me it's in progressive scan. I'm still curious if in DVDA2 I can view the project's video properties and see that it's in progressive video format.

June 27th, 2004, 07:56 PM	#2066
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	The pre-messages announcing the down time said between 5:00pm and 11:00pm Central Time. So it should be up in a couple more hours.

June 28th, 2004, 03:19 AM	#2068
Adi Head Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 642	questions re: making DVD w/ vegas + DVD architect i am completely new to making DVD's. i went through the DVD ARCHITECT 2.0 manual and a couple of questions came up. 1. from what i understand DVD ARCHITECT 2.0 will only make uncompressed DVD with the following file formats: MPEG-2, AC-3 and PCM. so when i render a project with VEGAS, i should render it to the mentioned file formats. is this correct? 2. the DVD ARCHITECT, under PAL MPEG video (pg. 23), says the following: "If you're using the MainConcept MPEG-2 encoder in the Vegas software, use the DVD Architect PAL video stream template to render your video stream (you'll need to render your audio steram separately according to the parameters listed in the AC-3 audio or PCM audio sections)." does this mean that when i render the project in vegas, i have to render the project twice? once only the video tracks to an MPEG-2 file and then render only the audio tracks to an AC-3 or PCM file, making seperate video and audio files to work with in DVD ARCHITECT? thanks

June 28th, 2004, 03:37 AM	#2069
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	1. No that is incorrect. DVD is NOT uncompressed. MPEG2 is a COMPRESSION (format). Therefor it is NOT uncompressed. Also DVDA can ALSO do the compression to MPEG2. So it also accepts at least AVI in. But yes, you can do this encoding in Vegas as well. 2. yes, that is the best method to do __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

June 28th, 2004, 04:00 AM	#2070
Adi Head Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 642	so if i have a project (length: 1 hour) which i edited on VEGAS and now i want to make it a DVD, using DVD ARCHITECT, should i render the video tracks as .avi or mpeg-2? and audio tracks as AC-3 or PCM? i know that MPEG-2 is a compressed format, but an .avi file of 1 hour will be too large to fit on a DVD so it'll have to be compressed somehow. the DVD ARCHITECT manual states the following (chapter 2, pg. 21): "The following files will not require recompression if encoded with proper parameters: MPEG-2, PCM, and AC-3." does this mean that it is a prefered method to render to MPEG-2, etc. so that the files don't have to be re-rendered? or are there better methods, as far as preserving quality is concerened? my question basically is: what is the prefered method of rendering a project on VEGAS, to be made later into a DVD using DVD ARCHITECT, while preserving quality as much as possible of both video and audo?