Vegas Video discussions from 2004 (Q1Q2)

Edward Troxel · May 29th, 2004, 10:13 PM

The length of the photoshop file should have NOTHING to do with what can be shown. Just make sure you use Pan/Crop to move the image.

You can either use masking or chroma-key or render to an uncompressed AVI with Alpha-channel for your Graffiti method.

Andy Shrimpton · May 30th, 2004, 07:14 AM

Hi Edward.

I'll have to revisit both those methods, as I couldn't get any of them to work how I wanted them to. My long winded work around achieved the right effect, just didn't look as good.

Will repost when I've had more time to try them out.

Andy

Rob Lohman · May 30th, 2004, 08:09 AM

I think you need to split up the footage to do such a thing. What
might do the trick is to have the first 10 seconds play before the
menu (first play) and have the rest as a motion menu with the
a graphic button overlaying your text. Something like that.

Which demo from Edward would that be? The one you could
download or one in real-life? If the former then just watch it again?

Rob Lohman · May 30th, 2004, 08:52 AM

Thanks!!

Mike Moncrief · May 30th, 2004, 09:53 AM

Hello,
Thanks for responding.. umm, i was hoping that would not be the case.. one thing is i already have an opeing piece of video..
I guess i could split the second piece in half, and have it play into the third using end actions..??? ( have not yet tried it) I just wonder will it go to black between the two.. because i would really like to have them butted together..
By the way the demo with Edward was live about a week ago here in Orlando..

Mike

Rob Lohman · May 30th, 2004, 10:26 AM

You could also stick the first 10 seconds onto the end of the first
play movie.

Perhaps someone else has a better idea. I haven't looked too
good at DVD Architect yet.

Rob Lohman · May 30th, 2004, 10:30 AM

That sounds plausible. Different "effects" will yield different
results. Can you point to the exact technique you used (URL)?
I'm not familair with DSE's method.

Gary Kleiner · May 30th, 2004, 10:57 AM

You can create an invisible button by pulling the alpha channel to full transparency. Position it to where your text appears on your video background.

Gary

Mike Moncrief · May 30th, 2004, 11:00 AM

Hello,

Another question(or questions), i have some video that needs to be encoded for the web from Vegas 5..Is there a size that is common to make the video for the web 320X240 ? or a different size?? And how are the codecs for rendering out Video from Vegas?? I see it has several, Windows Media, RealPlayer, Quicktime Mpeg..Do any one of these codecs in Vegas do a better job?? (Highest quality, smallest file size) Or should i look elsewhere for something to encode the files?

Thanks,
Mike Moncrief

Rob Lohman · May 30th, 2004, 11:11 AM

Vegas basically has all the tools you need. Which format you want
depends on what you like and what formats you want to support.

The two biggest are QuickTime and Windows Media Player. I would
not go with Real because a lot of people really dislike the client
and do not have it installed on their machines (me included and
I'm not going to install it whatever happens).

QuickTime seems to be the best served in the market at the
moment, but WMP seems to have a slightly better compression
scheme.

Most people swear by the Sorenson (3) codec under QuickTime.

Do some tests and see what you like! On our Lady X project
we used QuickTime with the previous version of the Sorenson
codec (check out the link in my signature).

Irbbins Biarrieta · May 30th, 2004, 12:46 PM

Rob, this is DSE's procedure for filmic look:
http://www.sundancemediagroup.com/tu...s/filmlook.htm

Actually, I've found the culprit!(and its accomplice--reading too fast and not following all directions) A part I glossed over, was disabling resampling on the video. At first, it didn't make a difference, but when I changed the deinterlacing method to interpolate frames---voila! No ugly motion trail!

It still looks like the bullet stuff has better resolution, I dunno.
Anything else I can do to get the best possible picture out of 24p and Vegas?

(By the way, loved the look of that Lady X episode! That thread on how you achieved the look was great help and guidance!)

Rob Lohman · May 31st, 2004, 04:17 AM

I'm glad you found the source of your problem. I don't have much
experience with de-interlacing myself since I always shoot in
progressive (or semi progressive with the XL1S). It is not really
suprising that the magic bullet stuff seems higher resolution. That
product was specifically made for things like this. Vegas just
added it. But if it is close to the magic bullet stuff then I'd say it
is doing a pretty good job!

Thank you for your comments on my episode. Much appreciated
and I'm glad you enjoyed it and the thread about it. Thanks!

Sunny Dhinsey · June 1st, 2004, 06:36 AM

I'm sure you've probably worked it out by now, but if not, you are missing the 'clip explorer' which you can reactivate from the drop down menu.

I figured it out (simple solution) a little while ago, but haven't been on the forum for some time.

Josh Bass · June 1st, 2004, 10:42 AM

Yeah, I did figure it out. I don't know how I made it disappear in the first place.

Edward Troxel · June 1st, 2004, 01:59 PM

Tsunami has been updated with the following corrections:

1. Extract Good Clips now works correctly when audio is selected.
NOTE: When extracting both audio and video, you will get TWO sub-clips placed in the media pool.
2. PIP tool now places the PIP in the proper location.

Send me an e-mail for details.

May 30th, 2004, 07:14 AM	#1817
Andy Shrimpton Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Robina Queensland Australia Posts: 73	Thanks Edward Hi Edward. I'll have to revisit both those methods, as I couldn't get any of them to work how I wanted them to. My long winded work around achieved the right effect, just didn't look as good. Will repost when I've had more time to try them out. Andy __________________ 'This one goes to eleven' Nigel Tufnell

May 30th, 2004, 08:09 AM	#1818
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I think you need to split up the footage to do such a thing. What might do the trick is to have the first 10 seconds play before the menu (first play) and have the rest as a motion menu with the a graphic button overlaying your text. Something like that. Which demo from Edward would that be? The one you could download or one in real-life? If the former then just watch it again? __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

May 30th, 2004, 08:52 AM	#1819
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Thanks!! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

May 30th, 2004, 09:53 AM	#1820
Mike Moncrief Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: orlando florida Posts: 426	Hello, Thanks for responding.. umm, i was hoping that would not be the case.. one thing is i already have an opeing piece of video.. I guess i could split the second piece in half, and have it play into the third using end actions..??? ( have not yet tried it) I just wonder will it go to black between the two.. because i would really like to have them butted together.. By the way the demo with Edward was live about a week ago here in Orlando.. Mike __________________ Mike Moncrief mikemoncrief@gmail.com www.themikemoncrief.com

May 30th, 2004, 10:26 AM	#1821
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	You could also stick the first 10 seconds onto the end of the first play movie. Perhaps someone else has a better idea. I haven't looked too good at DVD Architect yet. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

May 29th, 2004, 10:13 PM	#1816
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	The length of the photoshop file should have NOTHING to do with what can be shown. Just make sure you use Pan/Crop to move the image. You can either use masking or chroma-key or render to an uncompressed AVI with Alpha-channel for your Graffiti method.

May 30th, 2004, 10:30 AM	#1822
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	That sounds plausible. Different "effects" will yield different results. Can you point to the exact technique you used (URL)? I'm not familair with DSE's method. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

May 30th, 2004, 10:57 AM	#1823
Gary Kleiner Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Fort Collins, Colorado Posts: 166	You can create an invisible button by pulling the alpha channel to full transparency. Position it to where your text appears on your video background. Gary

May 30th, 2004, 11:00 AM	#1824
Mike Moncrief Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: orlando florida Posts: 426	Vegas end encoding for web Hello, Another question(or questions), i have some video that needs to be encoded for the web from Vegas 5..Is there a size that is common to make the video for the web 320X240 ? or a different size?? And how are the codecs for rendering out Video from Vegas?? I see it has several, Windows Media, RealPlayer, Quicktime Mpeg..Do any one of these codecs in Vegas do a better job?? (Highest quality, smallest file size) Or should i look elsewhere for something to encode the files? Thanks, Mike Moncrief __________________ Mike Moncrief mikemoncrief@gmail.com www.themikemoncrief.com

May 30th, 2004, 11:11 AM	#1825
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Vegas basically has all the tools you need. Which format you want depends on what you like and what formats you want to support. The two biggest are QuickTime and Windows Media Player. I would not go with Real because a lot of people really dislike the client and do not have it installed on their machines (me included and I'm not going to install it whatever happens). QuickTime seems to be the best served in the market at the moment, but WMP seems to have a slightly better compression scheme. Most people swear by the Sorenson (3) codec under QuickTime. Do some tests and see what you like! On our Lady X project we used QuickTime with the previous version of the Sorenson codec (check out the link in my signature). __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

May 30th, 2004, 12:46 PM	#1826
Irbbins Biarrieta Tourist Join Date: May 2004 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 2	24p woes... Rob, this is DSE's procedure for filmic look: http://www.sundancemediagroup.com/tu...s/filmlook.htm Actually, I've found the culprit!(and its accomplice--reading too fast and not following all directions) A part I glossed over, was disabling resampling on the video. At first, it didn't make a difference, but when I changed the deinterlacing method to interpolate frames---voila! No ugly motion trail! It still looks like the bullet stuff has better resolution, I dunno. Anything else I can do to get the best possible picture out of 24p and Vegas? (By the way, loved the look of that Lady X episode! That thread on how you achieved the look was great help and guidance!)

May 31st, 2004, 04:17 AM	#1827
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I'm glad you found the source of your problem. I don't have much experience with de-interlacing myself since I always shoot in progressive (or semi progressive with the XL1S). It is not really suprising that the magic bullet stuff seems higher resolution. That product was specifically made for things like this. Vegas just added it. But if it is close to the magic bullet stuff then I'd say it is doing a pretty good job! Thank you for your comments on my episode. Much appreciated and I'm glad you enjoyed it and the thread about it. Thanks! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

June 1st, 2004, 06:36 AM	#1828
Sunny Dhinsey Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: London, England Posts: 127	I'm sure you've probably worked it out by now, but if not, you are missing the 'clip explorer' which you can reactivate from the drop down menu. I figured it out (simple solution) a little while ago, but haven't been on the forum for some time. __________________ Sunny Dhinsey Director - www.filmlore.tv

June 1st, 2004, 10:42 AM	#1829
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Yeah, I did figure it out. I don't know how I made it disappear in the first place. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

June 1st, 2004, 01:59 PM	#1830
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Tsunami Update Available Tsunami has been updated with the following corrections: 1. Extract Good Clips now works correctly when audio is selected. NOTE: When extracting both audio and video, you will get TWO sub-clips placed in the media pool. 2. PIP tool now places the PIP in the proper location. Send me an e-mail for details.