1080 60p camcorder, what project settings ? at DVinfo.net

Ron Chau · April 2nd, 2009, 03:39 PM

I just ordered a new camcorder that records 1920x1080 60p to mp4 format.

What project settings template should I use ? I didn't see any template with 60p.

Michael Hutson · April 2nd, 2009, 03:57 PM

Hey Ron,

What camera?

All you have to do is:(This will set the project properties to match the file).
1)In preview window, click on project properties button
2)next, click on the icon that looks like a folder(far right if i remember)
3)a browser window will pop up, Then select a file from the poject you are working on.

Jack Zhang · April 2nd, 2009, 04:06 PM

You might want to convert it first. Vegas' MP4 decoder is not exactly friendly to Sanyo's stuff. It interpreted Sanyo's 1080i as 100fps...

You could try Cineform, possibly, but I have no clue how Sanyo's stuff works with Cineform.

You are talking about the Sanyo VPC-FH1 or the VPC-HD2000, right?

As for if you do get it working, just choose the 1920x1080 24p template and change the framerate to "59.94fps (Double NTSC)".

Ron Chau · April 2nd, 2009, 04:17 PM

Yes, a Sanyo FH1. Should have it on monday.

If I convert it, convert it to what ?

What if I mix in 1080i footage from a Sony FX7 ?

The end result will be shown on an HDTV through either the camcorder or a Western Digital media player. Speaking of that, what render settings ?

Sorry for the newbie questions. Things were easy with HDV 1080i, but from the reviews, the FH1 at 60p is supposed to be pretty good and I was looking for a small cam for easy on the go shooting.

Ron Chau · April 9th, 2009, 05:38 PM

Got my project settings to match the 1920x1080 60p footage. As a test, I did nothing to the footage and rendered. No 60p render options.

Tried
mainconcept mp4 60i render played on a media player
bluray disk burn 1920x1080 60i played on blue ray player
hdv m2t 60i played on a media player

All were very disappointing compared to the raw footage played direct from camcorder to hdtv.

What are the EX1 and EX3 users doing ?

Jon Rule · April 10th, 2009, 02:43 AM

As mentioned above, there is a setting for double NTSC (59.94fps) did that not work? I noticed all the tests you've tried have been interlaced, that probably doesn't help either.

Ron Chau · April 10th, 2009, 08:36 AM

I used double NTSC for the project settings.

What about renders ? What is the preferred render type and settings ? Mainconcept MP4, Sony AVC, Blueray ?

Bill Ravens · April 10th, 2009, 08:41 AM

Try the trial version of Cineform Neo HD. It's a very well done DI.

Jon Rule · April 10th, 2009, 01:07 PM

I was just checking on Vegas, as an AVI I can pick double ntsc to render too. It isn't available on main concept, but you can just type in a frame rate, rather than pick one from the drop down. I guess this would apply to any format, although I haven't tried it.

Jack Zhang · April 10th, 2009, 02:02 PM

XviD at 19mbps works very well with 1080p60. And that codec works for the AVI render in Vegas.

Did I also mention it needs less processor power to decode than both AVC and VC-1?

April 2nd, 2009, 03:39 PM	#1
Ron Chau Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: ny, ny Posts: 204	1080 60p camcorder, what project settings ? I just ordered a new camcorder that records 1920x1080 60p to mp4 format. What project settings template should I use ? I didn't see any template with 60p. __________________ https://www.ronchauphoto.com/

April 2nd, 2009, 04:17 PM	#4
Ron Chau Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: ny, ny Posts: 204	Yes, a Sanyo FH1. Should have it on monday. If I convert it, convert it to what ? What if I mix in 1080i footage from a Sony FX7 ? The end result will be shown on an HDTV through either the camcorder or a Western Digital media player. Speaking of that, what render settings ? Sorry for the newbie questions. Things were easy with HDV 1080i, but from the reviews, the FH1 at 60p is supposed to be pretty good and I was looking for a small cam for easy on the go shooting. __________________ https://www.ronchauphoto.com/

April 9th, 2009, 05:38 PM	#5
Ron Chau Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: ny, ny Posts: 204	Got my project settings to match the 1920x1080 60p footage. As a test, I did nothing to the footage and rendered. No 60p render options. Tried mainconcept mp4 60i render played on a media player bluray disk burn 1920x1080 60i played on blue ray player hdv m2t 60i played on a media player All were very disappointing compared to the raw footage played direct from camcorder to hdtv. What are the EX1 and EX3 users doing ? __________________ https://www.ronchauphoto.com/

April 10th, 2009, 08:36 AM	#7
Ron Chau Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: ny, ny Posts: 204	I used double NTSC for the project settings. What about renders ? What is the preferred render type and settings ? Mainconcept MP4, Sony AVC, Blueray ? __________________ https://www.ronchauphoto.com/

April 2nd, 2009, 03:57 PM	#2
Michael Hutson Major Player Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Elgin, IL Posts: 249	Hey Ron, What camera? All you have to do is:(This will set the project properties to match the file). 1)In preview window, click on project properties button 2)next, click on the icon that looks like a folder(far right if i remember) 3)a browser window will pop up, Then select a file from the poject you are working on.

April 2nd, 2009, 04:06 PM	#3
Jack Zhang Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Burnaby, BC, Canada Posts: 3,053	You might want to convert it first. Vegas' MP4 decoder is not exactly friendly to Sanyo's stuff. It interpreted Sanyo's 1080i as 100fps... You could try Cineform, possibly, but I have no clue how Sanyo's stuff works with Cineform. You are talking about the Sanyo VPC-FH1 or the VPC-HD2000, right? As for if you do get it working, just choose the 1920x1080 24p template and change the framerate to "59.94fps (Double NTSC)".

April 10th, 2009, 02:43 AM	#6
Jon Rule Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: UK Posts: 37	As mentioned above, there is a setting for double NTSC (59.94fps) did that not work? I noticed all the tests you've tried have been interlaced, that probably doesn't help either.

April 10th, 2009, 08:41 AM	#8
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	Try the trial version of Cineform Neo HD. It's a very well done DI.

April 10th, 2009, 01:07 PM	#9
Jon Rule Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: UK Posts: 37	I was just checking on Vegas, as an AVI I can pick double ntsc to render too. It isn't available on main concept, but you can just type in a frame rate, rather than pick one from the drop down. I guess this would apply to any format, although I haven't tried it.

April 10th, 2009, 02:02 PM	#10
Jack Zhang Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Burnaby, BC, Canada Posts: 3,053	XviD at 19mbps works very well with 1080p60. And that codec works for the AVI render in Vegas. Did I also mention it needs less processor power to decode than both AVC and VC-1?