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Ian Planchon · January 10th, 2009, 12:19 PM

whats the best way to keep my ex3 files as high quality as possible, but mix them with SD files? the end result has to be 4x3, and the SD files are going to be from a beta SX, so I am hoping to keep the ex3 files in HD and just edge crop the video. I tried a few things, like takeing a 4x3 timeline, and throwing a shot from the ex3 on there, and changing the properties of the media to ntsc dv (.9091). is that about the best I can do?

Michael Hutson · January 11th, 2009, 05:48 AM

Ian,

I hope I am understanding you. Have you used the pan and crop button for each event you want changed to 4:3? Try clicking the pan/crop button on the event, then select 4:3 aspect, then move the box where you want it to go. Hope this helps ya.

Ian Planchon · January 11th, 2009, 09:26 AM

I dont think thats what I am looking for,but thanks.

basically, I have my HD video (16x9), shot on the ex3, then I need to mix it with Beta SX video (4x3) and edit short 2-3 minute pieces with all the video. the end result needs to be 4x3 SD. whats the best way to make the HD video match the aspect ratio of the SX video, WITHOUT down converting the HD video to DV (until its rendered out of course).

Michael Hutson · January 11th, 2009, 10:11 AM

Ian,
I just tested it. And it seemed to work. This is what I did....please try it.

1. Created new project, in the HDV 1080-60i (1440x1080, 29.970 fps) project properties or whatever your camera format is.
2. Placed my HD footage (16:9)on the timeline.
3. Placed my SD footage (4:3) on the timeline.
4. On HD footage, selected pan crop, pulled down the "preset menu" and selected 4:3 Standard TV aspect ratio. (Now, if viewed in the preview window the screen is widescreen BUT both pieces are "letter-boxed" in 4:3)
5. On the preview window, click on project property button.(or hit alt-enter). Change project properties to NTSC DV (720x480, 29.970 fps). (Now if viewed in preview window, all footage is 4:3.)
6. Render footage in an SD format.

Hope this helps.

Ian Planchon · January 11th, 2009, 10:42 AM

ooohhhhh, I see what your saying. great, I will give that a shot. thanks!

Ian Planchon · January 11th, 2009, 10:51 AM

yup, that was the way to do it. thanks again!

Michael Hutson · January 11th, 2009, 11:00 AM

I rendered the footage as Main Concept mpeg2.....looked fine in vegas. But when I opened the rendered file to review in DVDA the original hd footage, it didn't look as smooth as it did in vegas. Some things make you go, "hmmmmmmmmm." Hope it works out for you, Ian. Please post your results....I'm curious.(not the footage....just if it worked out for ya)

Ian Planchon · January 11th, 2009, 12:14 PM

its not going to be till march that the editing takes place, but I will let you know what happens.

Dale Guthormsen · January 11th, 2009, 01:16 PM

Good afternoon.

Is this problem of the same type of issue.

I have standad DV off my xl2/

I want to shoot hd on my new wlh1 and combine.

Can I crop the hd and then render it all into standard DV??

By reducing the data by cropping will it keep a better image than if I rendered tghe entire HD to dv??

What are the procedures to do that if you can??

I want to keep the wide screen, what aspect ratio does one use, 720x480?

thanks

Michael Hutson · January 12th, 2009, 07:09 PM

Dale,

What I do is bring the files in hd format, set the project properties to match the footage, (there is an icon when you open project properties, far right on Template line, that looks like a folder...click on it, then click a one of the files that you are using and it will match the properties of the file)

I edit in hd then render in mpeg2 video stream, dvd architech NTSC WIDESCREEN video stream.

It plays great in a high def lcd tv, and also on my standard def tv(letterboxed).

To mix....If you want to stay widescreen, open the pan crop on the 4:3 sd footage and crop it to 16:9. and leave hd footage in 16:9. If your camera can down convert from hd 16:9 to sd 16:9, you may want to do that......it may make the footage look more "even." BUT the HD footage won't look HD any more.

I'm sure there is some folks with more experience than me and if I have mis-spoken, please correct me. I learn so much from the experts here.

Hope this helps.
Michael

January 10th, 2009, 12:19 PM	#1
Ian Planchon Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: an Alaskan living in Des Moines, Iowa Posts: 513	edge cropping whats the best way to keep my ex3 files as high quality as possible, but mix them with SD files? the end result has to be 4x3, and the SD files are going to be from a beta SX, so I am hoping to keep the ex3 files in HD and just edge crop the video. I tried a few things, like takeing a 4x3 timeline, and throwing a shot from the ex3 on there, and changing the properties of the media to ntsc dv (.9091). is that about the best I can do?

January 11th, 2009, 01:16 PM	#9
Dale Guthormsen Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 3,048	Similar issue?? Good afternoon. Is this problem of the same type of issue. I have standad DV off my xl2/ I want to shoot hd on my new wlh1 and combine. Can I crop the hd and then render it all into standard DV?? By reducing the data by cropping will it keep a better image than if I rendered tghe entire HD to dv?? What are the procedures to do that if you can?? I want to keep the wide screen, what aspect ratio does one use, 720x480? thanks __________________ DATS ALL FOLKS Dale W. Guthormsen

January 12th, 2009, 07:09 PM	#10
Michael Hutson Major Player Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Elgin, IL Posts: 249	For Dale Dale, What I do is bring the files in hd format, set the project properties to match the footage, (there is an icon when you open project properties, far right on Template line, that looks like a folder...click on it, then click a one of the files that you are using and it will match the properties of the file) I edit in hd then render in mpeg2 video stream, dvd architech NTSC WIDESCREEN video stream. It plays great in a high def lcd tv, and also on my standard def tv(letterboxed). To mix....If you want to stay widescreen, open the pan crop on the 4:3 sd footage and crop it to 16:9. and leave hd footage in 16:9. If your camera can down convert from hd 16:9 to sd 16:9, you may want to do that......it may make the footage look more "even." BUT the HD footage won't look HD any more. I'm sure there is some folks with more experience than me and if I have mis-spoken, please correct me. I learn so much from the experts here. Hope this helps. Michael

January 11th, 2009, 05:48 AM	#2
Michael Hutson Major Player Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Elgin, IL Posts: 249	Ian, I hope I am understanding you. Have you used the pan and crop button for each event you want changed to 4:3? Try clicking the pan/crop button on the event, then select 4:3 aspect, then move the box where you want it to go. Hope this helps ya.

January 11th, 2009, 09:26 AM	#3
Ian Planchon Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: an Alaskan living in Des Moines, Iowa Posts: 513	I dont think thats what I am looking for,but thanks. basically, I have my HD video (16x9), shot on the ex3, then I need to mix it with Beta SX video (4x3) and edit short 2-3 minute pieces with all the video. the end result needs to be 4x3 SD. whats the best way to make the HD video match the aspect ratio of the SX video, WITHOUT down converting the HD video to DV (until its rendered out of course).

January 11th, 2009, 10:11 AM	#4
Michael Hutson Major Player Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Elgin, IL Posts: 249	Ian, I just tested it. And it seemed to work. This is what I did....please try it. 1. Created new project, in the HDV 1080-60i (1440x1080, 29.970 fps) project properties or whatever your camera format is. 2. Placed my HD footage (16:9)on the timeline. 3. Placed my SD footage (4:3) on the timeline. 4. On HD footage, selected pan crop, pulled down the "preset menu" and selected 4:3 Standard TV aspect ratio. (Now, if viewed in the preview window the screen is widescreen BUT both pieces are "letter-boxed" in 4:3) 5. On the preview window, click on project property button.(or hit alt-enter). Change project properties to NTSC DV (720x480, 29.970 fps). (Now if viewed in preview window, all footage is 4:3.) 6. Render footage in an SD format. Hope this helps.

January 11th, 2009, 10:42 AM	#5
Ian Planchon Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: an Alaskan living in Des Moines, Iowa Posts: 513	ooohhhhh, I see what your saying. great, I will give that a shot. thanks!

January 11th, 2009, 10:51 AM	#6
Ian Planchon Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: an Alaskan living in Des Moines, Iowa Posts: 513	yup, that was the way to do it. thanks again!

January 11th, 2009, 11:00 AM	#7
Michael Hutson Major Player Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Elgin, IL Posts: 249	I rendered the footage as Main Concept mpeg2.....looked fine in vegas. But when I opened the rendered file to review in DVDA the original hd footage, it didn't look as smooth as it did in vegas. Some things make you go, "hmmmmmmmmm." Hope it works out for you, Ian. Please post your results....I'm curious.(not the footage....just if it worked out for ya)

January 11th, 2009, 12:14 PM	#8
Ian Planchon Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: an Alaskan living in Des Moines, Iowa Posts: 513	its not going to be till march that the editing takes place, but I will let you know what happens.