Can you do this in Vegas? at DVinfo.net

Brian Huether · January 5th, 2009, 05:40 PM

I am getting ready to make a guitar instructional video (I will be the player and the filmer...). I have been looking around for ideas and I think this video has some elements I like:

YouTube - Joey Tafolla - Open House

Namely, I think the picture in picture effect is pretty cool at 1:32 and 1:56. Now that I know how to add static images, I would definitely like to know how to do this in Vegas.

Are they using just one camera and taking a zoom?

thanks,

brian

Garrett Low · January 5th, 2009, 05:51 PM

Hi Brian,

The effect of P in P is pretty easy to do in Vegas. I can't say fro sure but I don't think thye used one camera. I can't tell for sure but the angles don't look the same and if you blow up that much you usually get some pretty bad looking video. With Vegas you could zoom in and track as the video did.

I do something similar during my credit rolls on shows. I have inserts of highlights of the show as the credits roll by.

Garrett

Brian Huether · January 5th, 2009, 06:12 PM

I figured it out using track motion but can't seem to make the insert angled. I know it must be possible since the track motion editor has so many geometric options.

thanks,

brian

Mike Kujbida · January 5th, 2009, 06:23 PM

Brian, when you go into Track Motion, click the dropdown box where it says "Source Alpha" (in the upper left) and change it to "3D Source Alpha".
Now you can angle anything on that track as desired.

Edward Troxel · January 5th, 2009, 06:34 PM

Be warned that turning on 3D Track Motion will DRAMATICALLY increase your render time!

Brian Huether · January 5th, 2009, 06:40 PM

I really like the 2D glow though which you can't do in 3D. Oh well, I'll stick with 2D.

thanks,

brian

Mike Kujbida · January 5th, 2009, 06:49 PM

Apply an effect (or two or three) to the clip at the event level and then use 3D Track Motion.
Vegas has more than one way to get around so-called limitations :-)

Ian Stark · January 7th, 2009, 12:28 PM

I wonder if you could drop a 'glow' graphic behind the PinP video clip? You could lock them together as parent/child so they would move in sync. You'd want to use a png with transparency so the edges work. That would allow you to display the PinP in 3d AND have a glow or shadow (Personally not a fan of track motion glow on a PinP frame - much prefer the shadow - but like I say, just a personal preference).

Edward Troxel · January 7th, 2009, 12:53 PM

Make the 3d track a child to a 2d track and turn on glow on the 2d track.

Ian Stark · January 7th, 2009, 01:35 PM

Of course - much easier, thanks Edward. Never thought of that, which is why I have been using what I thought was a clever workaround all this time!

Having said that, I do like to customise my PinP shadows and glows rather than use the stock facilities all the time, as you will see from the two stills below (taken from the title segment of a project in progress - a lighthearted look at how my client makes such a mess of it's internal administration).

Tim Cee · January 8th, 2009, 07:54 PM

Brian, good luck with your endeavor. As a new student to learning guitar I would be interested in your instructional.
Tim

Brian Huether · January 8th, 2009, 08:58 PM

Tim,

If you are just learning I suggest finding a teacher locally to do beginner lessons. After beginner lessons I believe guitarists can get to the intermediate level on their own. Then to get advanced I think private lessons here and there and self study is the way to go.

Unfortunately I don't have any beginner material on my website but there are a lot of great sites out there with beginner lessons.

good luck,

brian

January 5th, 2009, 05:40 PM	#1
Brian Huether Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Monterey, CA Posts: 94	Can you do this in Vegas? I am getting ready to make a guitar instructional video (I will be the player and the filmer...). I have been looking around for ideas and I think this video has some elements I like: YouTube - Joey Tafolla - Open House Namely, I think the picture in picture effect is pretty cool at 1:32 and 1:56. Now that I know how to add static images, I would definitely like to know how to do this in Vegas. Are they using just one camera and taking a zoom? thanks, brian __________________ Brian Huether www.guitar-dreams.com

January 5th, 2009, 06:12 PM	#3
Brian Huether Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Monterey, CA Posts: 94	I figured it out using track motion but can't seem to make the insert angled. I know it must be possible since the track motion editor has so many geometric options. thanks, brian __________________ Brian Huether www.guitar-dreams.com

January 5th, 2009, 06:34 PM	#5
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Be warned that turning on 3D Track Motion will DRAMATICALLY increase your render time! __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

January 5th, 2009, 06:40 PM	#6
Brian Huether Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Monterey, CA Posts: 94	I really like the 2D glow though which you can't do in 3D. Oh well, I'll stick with 2D. thanks, brian __________________ Brian Huether www.guitar-dreams.com

January 7th, 2009, 12:28 PM	#8
Ian Stark Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,237	I wonder if you could drop a 'glow' graphic behind the PinP video clip? You could lock them together as parent/child so they would move in sync. You'd want to use a png with transparency so the edges work. That would allow you to display the PinP in 3d AND have a glow or shadow (Personally not a fan of track motion glow on a PinP frame - much prefer the shadow - but like I say, just a personal preference). __________________ www.vit-media.com www.classicmachinefilms.co.uk

January 5th, 2009, 05:51 PM	#2
Garrett Low Trustee Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Novato, CA Posts: 1,774	Hi Brian, The effect of P in P is pretty easy to do in Vegas. I can't say fro sure but I don't think thye used one camera. I can't tell for sure but the angles don't look the same and if you blow up that much you usually get some pretty bad looking video. With Vegas you could zoom in and track as the video did. I do something similar during my credit rolls on shows. I have inserts of highlights of the show as the credits roll by. Garrett

January 5th, 2009, 06:23 PM	#4
Mike Kujbida Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Windsor, ON Canada Posts: 2,770	Brian, when you go into Track Motion, click the dropdown box where it says "Source Alpha" (in the upper left) and change it to "3D Source Alpha". Now you can angle anything on that track as desired.

January 5th, 2009, 06:49 PM	#7
Mike Kujbida Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Windsor, ON Canada Posts: 2,770	Apply an effect (or two or three) to the clip at the event level and then use 3D Track Motion. Vegas has more than one way to get around so-called limitations :-)

January 7th, 2009, 12:53 PM	#9
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Make the 3d track a child to a 2d track and turn on glow on the 2d track. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

January 7th, 2009, 01:35 PM	#10
Ian Stark Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,237	Of course - much easier, thanks Edward. Never thought of that, which is why I have been using what I thought was a clever workaround all this time! Having said that, I do like to customise my PinP shadows and glows rather than use the stock facilities all the time, as you will see from the two stills below (taken from the title segment of a project in progress - a lighthearted look at how my client makes such a mess of it's internal administration). Attached Thumbnails __________________ www.vit-media.com www.classicmachinefilms.co.uk

January 8th, 2009, 07:54 PM	#11
Tim Cee Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Orange County, California Posts: 179	Brian, good luck with your endeavor. As a new student to learning guitar I would be interested in your instructional. Tim __________________ www.socalt.com

January 8th, 2009, 08:58 PM	#12
Brian Huether Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Monterey, CA Posts: 94	Tim, If you are just learning I suggest finding a teacher locally to do beginner lessons. After beginner lessons I believe guitarists can get to the intermediate level on their own. Then to get advanced I think private lessons here and there and self study is the way to go. Unfortunately I don't have any beginner material on my website but there are a lot of great sites out there with beginner lessons. good luck, brian __________________ Brian Huether www.guitar-dreams.com