How to get perfect 60i-to-30p deinterlacing + 60i-to-60p-like Slow-Mo...

Jeff Harper · December 23rd, 2008, 02:36 PM

As much as it pains me to say it, that is very nice footage Joe :) I think the slo mo at the beginning of one clip is slowed down a bit too much, but that is a minor quibble.

Joe Busch · December 23rd, 2008, 11:19 PM

Yea that's 25% slow motion... it looked bad, but the flickering effect sorta went with the music so I left it in. All 3 of these clips were edited within 45-60 minutes usually...

I changed it in further "revisions" but who knows what will happen...

Bryan Daugherty · January 22nd, 2009, 11:03 PM

I must say that I am still stunned. That footage was awesome. The level of detail was intense. This is probably a stupid question but I have seen references to "HDVSplit" on several occasions. What is it? Is it a stand alone or plugin, i have always been capturing my footage with vegas's internal capture. Something tells me that i have been making a mistake...

Joe Busch · January 23rd, 2009, 12:06 AM

There's no difference in the quality between the two captures, it's all digital..

HDV Split just makes it simpler, allows a full 1920 x 1080 preview (although it is interlaced so it doesn't look too great) but allows for labelling of files using the time-code and automatic scene detection

I like it.

Dale Guthormsen · January 23rd, 2009, 09:41 PM

Kev,

I liked your footage and went straight to my vegas. I followed directions to the part about changing from 1 to .5.

At this point I right click on the clip and can not find that at all.

I am in 8.0c

Dale Guthormsen

Joe Busch · January 23rd, 2009, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale Guthormsen

Kev,

I liked your footage and went straight to my vegas. I followed directions to the part about changing from 1 to .5.

At this point I right click on the clip and can not find that at all.

I am in 8.0c

Dale Guthormsen

Right click and hit Properties... then do you see playback rate?

Edward Troxel · January 24th, 2009, 08:03 AM

The playback rate can be changed multiple ways. To me, the easiest way is to hold down the CTRL key and then resize the event long (to slow it down).

You can also right-click it, and choose Properties. That will show you the Playback Rate setting along with many other settings.

With the pro version, you can also change the playback rate via a script.

Dale Guthormsen · January 24th, 2009, 09:02 PM

Joe,

I got that sorted out, did not see the properties at the bottom and went to file, I must be impaired in some way!!

This method works well, Then apply a velocity envelope and you can bring it back a little more.

I now feel I can shoot the falcons at a higher shutter speed and not get stuttering or flicker. I will post a shot, however it was shot at 1/60th of a second.

I will post a stoop of a falcon as soon as I get it down loaded to vimeo

Joe Busch · January 24th, 2009, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Troxel

The playback rate can be changed multiple ways. To me, the easiest way is to hold down the CTRL key and then resize the event long (to slow it down).

You can also right-click it, and choose Properties. That will show you the Playback Rate setting along with many other settings.

With the pro version, you can also change the playback rate via a script.

Yea, but holding down ctrl does not make it exact.

It needs to be exactly .500 or 50% slow-motion for this to work right.

Even setting higher like 75% slow motion you get ghosts/doesn't look right, but at 50% it looks perfect.

Edward Troxel · January 25th, 2009, 06:58 AM

If I have to have an exact speed, I'll use scripts. With my script, I can set it to an exact number AND it will auto resize for me so that it matches the new speed.

With the proper settings turned on, the speed percentage WILL display in the audio (assuming what you're changing the speed of HAS audio) so you can be fairly precise using the CTRL-resize as well.

Paul Kellett · January 25th, 2009, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Troxel

If I have to have an exact speed, I'll use scripts. With my script, I can set it to an exact number AND it will auto resize for me so that it matches the new speed.

With the proper settings turned on, the speed percentage WILL display in the audio (assuming what you're changing the speed of HAS audio) so you can be fairly precise using the CTRL-resize as well.

Where can we get this script ?

Thanks.
Paul.

Edward Troxel · January 25th, 2009, 07:44 AM

I use Excalibur for this. I wrote Excalibur. I wouldn't be surprised if other scripts somewhere will do the same.

Paul Kellett · January 25th, 2009, 07:58 AM

Hi Ed.
I just downloaded and installed excalibur, how do i use it within vegas ?
I can't see anything different in vegas.

Thanks.
Paul.

Paul Kellett · January 25th, 2009, 07:59 AM

Found it.
View>extensions

Paul.

Edward Troxel · January 25th, 2009, 03:13 PM

Yes, it's a custom command in Vegas Pro 8. As such, it's listed under extensions (there are three in Vegas Pro 8 - Tools, View, and Edit) unlike previous versions where it was listed under Tools - Scripting.

Once open, you can leave it open all the time in the docked area. When you exit and restart Vegas, it will automatically restart as well unless you manually exit out of it. It's totally free to use and fully unlocked for the first 15 days.

January 22nd, 2009, 11:03 PM	#18
Bryan Daugherty Major Player Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lexington, Ky - USA Posts: 552	I must say that I am still stunned. That footage was awesome. The level of detail was intense. This is probably a stupid question but I have seen references to "HDVSplit" on several occasions. What is it? Is it a stand alone or plugin, i have always been capturing my footage with vegas's internal capture. Something tells me that i have been making a mistake... __________________ 3x-HD1000u - Ikan 8000HD- custom i7 PC - Vegas Pro 13 and 11 64 bit - Premiere Pro CS4 - and a whole mess of other equipment...

January 23rd, 2009, 09:41 PM	#20
Dale Guthormsen Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 3,048	Kev, I liked your footage and went straight to my vegas. I followed directions to the part about changing from 1 to .5. At this point I right click on the clip and can not find that at all. I am in 8.0c Dale Guthormsen __________________ DATS ALL FOLKS Dale W. Guthormsen

January 24th, 2009, 08:03 AM	#22
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	The playback rate can be changed multiple ways. To me, the easiest way is to hold down the CTRL key and then resize the event long (to slow it down). You can also right-click it, and choose Properties. That will show you the Playback Rate setting along with many other settings. With the pro version, you can also change the playback rate via a script. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

January 24th, 2009, 09:02 PM	#23
Dale Guthormsen Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 3,048	Joe, I got that sorted out, did not see the properties at the bottom and went to file, I must be impaired in some way!! This method works well, Then apply a velocity envelope and you can bring it back a little more. I now feel I can shoot the falcons at a higher shutter speed and not get stuttering or flicker. I will post a shot, however it was shot at 1/60th of a second. I will post a stoop of a falcon as soon as I get it down loaded to vimeo __________________ DATS ALL FOLKS Dale W. Guthormsen

January 25th, 2009, 06:58 AM	#25
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	If I have to have an exact speed, I'll use scripts. With my script, I can set it to an exact number AND it will auto resize for me so that it matches the new speed. With the proper settings turned on, the speed percentage WILL display in the audio (assuming what you're changing the speed of HAS audio) so you can be fairly precise using the CTRL-resize as well. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

December 23rd, 2008, 02:36 PM	#16
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	As much as it pains me to say it, that is very nice footage Joe :) I think the slo mo at the beginning of one clip is slowed down a bit too much, but that is a minor quibble.

December 23rd, 2008, 11:19 PM	#17
Joe Busch Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sammamish, WA Posts: 398	Yea that's 25% slow motion... it looked bad, but the flickering effect sorta went with the music so I left it in. All 3 of these clips were edited within 45-60 minutes usually... I changed it in further "revisions" but who knows what will happen...

January 23rd, 2009, 12:06 AM	#19
Joe Busch Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sammamish, WA Posts: 398	There's no difference in the quality between the two captures, it's all digital.. HDV Split just makes it simpler, allows a full 1920 x 1080 preview (although it is interlaced so it doesn't look too great) but allows for labelling of files using the time-code and automatic scene detection I like it.

January 25th, 2009, 07:44 AM	#27
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I use Excalibur for this. I wrote Excalibur. I wouldn't be surprised if other scripts somewhere will do the same. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

January 25th, 2009, 07:58 AM	#28
Paul Kellett Trustee Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Bristol UK Posts: 1,273	Hi Ed. I just downloaded and installed excalibur, how do i use it within vegas ? I can't see anything different in vegas. Thanks. Paul. __________________ Round 2 GH5,FZ2000

January 25th, 2009, 07:59 AM	#29
Paul Kellett Trustee Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Bristol UK Posts: 1,273	Found it. View>extensions Paul. __________________ Round 2 GH5,FZ2000

January 25th, 2009, 03:13 PM	#30
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Yes, it's a custom command in Vegas Pro 8. As such, it's listed under extensions (there are three in Vegas Pro 8 - Tools, View, and Edit) unlike previous versions where it was listed under Tools - Scripting. Once open, you can leave it open all the time in the docked area. When you exit and restart Vegas, it will automatically restart as well unless you manually exit out of it. It's totally free to use and fully unlocked for the first 15 days. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters