5 hour vegas meltdown at DVinfo.net

Jason Pechman · August 31st, 2003, 09:26 PM

I am assembleing a demo video for wedding videos. I edited all my exisiting weddings on a differnt software program. (edit dv) I now use (or try to) Vegas 4. Here is my delima: I load up some selected pre edited clips from wedding master tapes. (They still look pretty good) and I want to crop them, and replace text in areas as well as use some new plug-ins. I have taken out some text, and spent hours creating new text, with better effects. Also added the wide screen effect to make it look cineamatic. Here is the catch: I want to be able to use DVD Arcitect and vegas to convert the new files to mpeg 2 to showcase them on DVD. How do I re-render them to do so? It does not prompt me for mpeg-2 when I am done editing. Do I render them in a different format, the re-render in m-peg 2? Should I copy the new file? It keeps telling me that the format is not supported. Also when rendering, do you hi-lite the timeline of events that you have edited, then select render? I am running out of time on this and I feel I am just 1 or 2 steps from completion.

Harry Settle · August 31st, 2003, 09:42 PM

I'll take a shot at it, I had a little trouble following your post. When you finish your editing, choose file, render as, then in the dropdown menu at the bottom pick MPEG2, main concept, customize from the same menu (I usually choose to not render audio at this time) Name the file and render. Then I go back follow the same instructions and instead of picking mpeg I choose AC3 for my audio, use same name as mpeg file. After rendering both close vegas and open DVD architect select files at the bottom create and burn

Edward Troxel · August 31st, 2003, 10:33 PM

I normally do the same as Harry - File - Render As to an MPEG2 and AC-3 files (two separate renders). However, for simplicity's sake, you can just render the whole thing to a single AVI file and then load that into DVD Architect. After you author the DVD, DVD Architect will automatically convert it to MPEG2 and AC-3.

(I, too, came from EditDV/Cinestream)

G. Randy Brown · September 1st, 2003, 11:55 AM

Hey guys, I read somewhere that there is a script to render the mpeg2 and ac-3 concurrently in case you didn't know.
Randy

Glen Elliott · September 1st, 2003, 12:47 PM

Edward, why....DVD Architect has to use AC-3? You can't use PCM format if you so choose to?

G. Randy Brown · September 1st, 2003, 01:09 PM

ooh, ooh, I think I know this one...you can use PCM if you render audio and video separately in V4 and put them in the same folder with the same name...right Edward?
Randy

Jason Pechman · September 1st, 2003, 01:44 PM

Thank you all for your input. After stepping back and taking another look, I just reloaded the software. For some reason, the previous install would not let me choose either mpeg-1 or 2 for a render. When I did it would just crash. I own Vegas 4 and DVD arct. I bought it as a bundle. Maybe since I haven't used my editing computer in months might of had somthing to do with it. After the reinstall, all the work that took me 5 hours to learn was recreated in about 20 mins.

Edward Troxel · September 1st, 2003, 07:44 PM

DVD Architect can easily use PCM audio. When preparing the DVD, go to File - Optimize and tell it you do not want to use AC-3. Then it will not be converted.

G. Randy Brown · September 2nd, 2003, 10:20 AM

So it doesn't have to be rendered separately Edward?
Randy

Edward Troxel · September 2nd, 2003, 10:48 AM

Everything really depends on HOW you do things. Here are some of the possible methods:

1. Render to AVI in Vegas and pass that to DVDA. All rendering will be done in DVDA and you can choose either PCM or AC-3 for the audio.

2. Render to MPEG2 in Vegas WITH audio turned on and pass that to DVDA. The audio will be extracted and either recompressed into AC-3 or uncompressed into PCM depending on your choice.

3. Render to MPEG2 for Video (using the DVDA preset) and WAV for Audio in Vegas and pass BOTH to DVDA. The audio can either be used as-is or compressed into AC-3.

4. Render to MPEG2 for Video (using the DVDA preset) and AC-3 for Audio in Vegas and pass BOTH to DVDA. The audio can either be used as-is or de-compressed into PCM.

I'm sure other permutations are available but this should cover the main choices available.

David Delaney · September 21st, 2006, 06:32 PM

Ed,
If you render out the AC3 - will it re-compress it again in DVDA??

Edward Troxel · September 21st, 2006, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Delaney

Ed,
If you render out the AC3 - will it re-compress it again in DVDA??

No. It will not.

August 31st, 2003, 09:26 PM	#1
Jason Pechman Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 38	5 hour vegas meltdown I am assembleing a demo video for wedding videos. I edited all my exisiting weddings on a differnt software program. (edit dv) I now use (or try to) Vegas 4. Here is my delima: I load up some selected pre edited clips from wedding master tapes. (They still look pretty good) and I want to crop them, and replace text in areas as well as use some new plug-ins. I have taken out some text, and spent hours creating new text, with better effects. Also added the wide screen effect to make it look cineamatic. Here is the catch: I want to be able to use DVD Arcitect and vegas to convert the new files to mpeg 2 to showcase them on DVD. How do I re-render them to do so? It does not prompt me for mpeg-2 when I am done editing. Do I render them in a different format, the re-render in m-peg 2? Should I copy the new file? It keeps telling me that the format is not supported. Also when rendering, do you hi-lite the timeline of events that you have edited, then select render? I am running out of time on this and I feel I am just 1 or 2 steps from completion.

August 31st, 2003, 09:42 PM	#2
Harry Settle Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bemidji, MN Posts: 276	I'll take a shot at it, I had a little trouble following your post. When you finish your editing, choose file, render as, then in the dropdown menu at the bottom pick MPEG2, main concept, customize from the same menu (I usually choose to not render audio at this time) Name the file and render. Then I go back follow the same instructions and instead of picking mpeg I choose AC3 for my audio, use same name as mpeg file. After rendering both close vegas and open DVD architect select files at the bottom create and burn __________________ "DOH"!!!

August 31st, 2003, 10:33 PM	#3
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I normally do the same as Harry - File - Render As to an MPEG2 and AC-3 files (two separate renders). However, for simplicity's sake, you can just render the whole thing to a single AVI file and then load that into DVD Architect. After you author the DVD, DVD Architect will automatically convert it to MPEG2 and AC-3. (I, too, came from EditDV/Cinestream)

September 1st, 2003, 11:55 AM	#4
G. Randy Brown Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 288	Hey guys, I read somewhere that there is a script to render the mpeg2 and ac-3 concurrently in case you didn't know. Randy

September 1st, 2003, 12:47 PM	#5
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Edward, why....DVD Architect has to use AC-3? You can't use PCM format if you so choose to?

September 1st, 2003, 01:09 PM	#6
G. Randy Brown Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 288	ooh, ooh, I think I know this one...you can use PCM if you render audio and video separately in V4 and put them in the same folder with the same name...right Edward? Randy

September 1st, 2003, 01:44 PM	#7
Jason Pechman Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 38	Thank you all for your input. After stepping back and taking another look, I just reloaded the software. For some reason, the previous install would not let me choose either mpeg-1 or 2 for a render. When I did it would just crash. I own Vegas 4 and DVD arct. I bought it as a bundle. Maybe since I haven't used my editing computer in months might of had somthing to do with it. After the reinstall, all the work that took me 5 hours to learn was recreated in about 20 mins.

September 1st, 2003, 07:44 PM	#8
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	DVD Architect can easily use PCM audio. When preparing the DVD, go to File - Optimize and tell it you do not want to use AC-3. Then it will not be converted.

September 2nd, 2003, 10:20 AM	#9
G. Randy Brown Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 288	So it doesn't have to be rendered separately Edward? Randy

September 2nd, 2003, 10:48 AM	#10
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Everything really depends on HOW you do things. Here are some of the possible methods: 1. Render to AVI in Vegas and pass that to DVDA. All rendering will be done in DVDA and you can choose either PCM or AC-3 for the audio. 2. Render to MPEG2 in Vegas WITH audio turned on and pass that to DVDA. The audio will be extracted and either recompressed into AC-3 or uncompressed into PCM depending on your choice. 3. Render to MPEG2 for Video (using the DVDA preset) and WAV for Audio in Vegas and pass BOTH to DVDA. The audio can either be used as-is or compressed into AC-3. 4. Render to MPEG2 for Video (using the DVDA preset) and AC-3 for Audio in Vegas and pass BOTH to DVDA. The audio can either be used as-is or de-compressed into PCM. I'm sure other permutations are available but this should cover the main choices available.

September 21st, 2006, 06:32 PM	#11
David Delaney Trustee Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Niagara Ontario Canada Posts: 1,121	Ed, If you render out the AC3 - will it re-compress it again in DVDA??