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Jason McCormy · October 14th, 2008, 07:45 AM

Greetings and thank you in advance for any help or information you can give me.

I'm using Vegas Pro 8.0 and am trying to work with 720P60 files from a JVC GY-HD200u. I have a couple of questions though.

I was told that even though there is not a 720P60 format to choose, that if I move the footage into Vegas and select 60 frames progressive it will treat it as 720p60. Is this correct? And do I do this in the File/Properties section?

If this is correct, is the footage I import from the camera in HDV this footage or is it only importing it as 30p thus dropping every other frame?

And would purchasing the low end Cineform be a good idea to help with this?

Thank you again for any help you can give me with this.

Bill Ravens · October 14th, 2008, 08:58 AM

Hi Jason...

Interesting discovery, I've never caught this bug before. Checking my HD110 60fps m2t capture in Vegas confirms your problem. Vegas shows it as a 23.98 fps file. Likewise, conversion with Cineform also shows this as a 23.98 fps file.

I've filed a trouble ticket with Cineform on this, will report back.

Jason McCormy · October 14th, 2008, 09:43 AM

Thank you very much for the response. I greatly prefer Vegas, but this is a big issue if it is dropping half the frames on capture. Though, I don't really know how this would be possible as the footage is encoded that way and it would be an enormous effort for the software to do that in real time. Hmm.

Please post on what you find. I'm really interested in seeing if Cineform can solve my problems with this as 60p is a must for our distribution. If not, I have to go back to Final Cut which I am not happy about.

Bill Ravens · October 14th, 2008, 10:12 AM

It's been a while back that I seem to recall this was posted, once before. The answer was that it really was 60 fps but only the header was reporting 24fps. But, when I open the 60fps files in edius or avid, it correctly reports 59.97 fps, so it can't be the file header. Opening the file in vegas and counting frames in a second of video shows 24 frames. As usual with Vegas, something is fubar.

Jason McCormy · October 14th, 2008, 12:08 PM

Huh. Is there a way to manually change the header in Vegas so it treats it as 60p? I wish they would pay a little more attention to their work.

Bill Ravens · October 14th, 2008, 12:56 PM

no, I mean the header in the video file.

Jason McCormy · October 14th, 2008, 01:06 PM

Ahh.

Thank you for your help with this. Hopefully I'll figure it out and be able to use Vegas.

Fred Helm · October 14th, 2008, 04:05 PM

I am also very interested as I have just purchased a 110U and hope to use its frame rates in vegas...havnt even tried to cap yet. This will definately move me to AVID though...Final straw! (if true)

Bill Ravens · October 14th, 2008, 07:33 PM

Don't think it's a vegas problem, exclusively. Avid is doing the same thing.

Fred Helm · October 15th, 2008, 04:31 PM

is it just labeled wrong or is it not 60p anymore. Must have 60p for slow mo. I just got my 110U today, still in box.

Bill Ravens · October 16th, 2008, 08:50 AM

I'm embarassed to admit that I have been misleading on this issue. This morning I revisited and make this comment:
1-The HD110 will generate 60fps in m2t format, but, it's a 480p image format
2-Only the HD200 and -250 will generate true 60fps progressive 720p files.

Cineform correctly converts and reports the 480p 60fps footage, not a problem.

Fred Helm · October 16th, 2008, 05:22 PM

so no HD 60fps on 110U?

October 14th, 2008, 07:45 AM	#1
Jason McCormy Major Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Agoura California Posts: 268	Cineform and 720P60 Greetings and thank you in advance for any help or information you can give me. I'm using Vegas Pro 8.0 and am trying to work with 720P60 files from a JVC GY-HD200u. I have a couple of questions though. I was told that even though there is not a 720P60 format to choose, that if I move the footage into Vegas and select 60 frames progressive it will treat it as 720p60. Is this correct? And do I do this in the File/Properties section? If this is correct, is the footage I import from the camera in HDV this footage or is it only importing it as 30p thus dropping every other frame? And would purchasing the low end Cineform be a good idea to help with this? Thank you again for any help you can give me with this.

October 14th, 2008, 04:05 PM	#8
Fred Helm Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: san diego, ca Posts: 150	I am also very interested as I have just purchased a 110U and hope to use its frame rates in vegas...havnt even tried to cap yet. This will definately move me to AVID though...Final straw! (if true) __________________ Fred Helm pinnedtv.com Last edited by Fred Helm; October 14th, 2008 at 04:06 PM. Reason: sp

October 15th, 2008, 04:31 PM	#10
Fred Helm Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: san diego, ca Posts: 150	is it just labeled wrong or is it not 60p anymore. Must have 60p for slow mo. I just got my 110U today, still in box. __________________ Fred Helm pinnedtv.com Last edited by Fred Helm; October 15th, 2008 at 04:32 PM. Reason: sp

October 16th, 2008, 05:22 PM	#12
Fred Helm Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: san diego, ca Posts: 150	so no HD 60fps on 110U? __________________ Fred Helm pinnedtv.com

October 14th, 2008, 08:58 AM	#2
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	Hi Jason... Interesting discovery, I've never caught this bug before. Checking my HD110 60fps m2t capture in Vegas confirms your problem. Vegas shows it as a 23.98 fps file. Likewise, conversion with Cineform also shows this as a 23.98 fps file. I've filed a trouble ticket with Cineform on this, will report back.

October 14th, 2008, 09:43 AM	#3
Jason McCormy Major Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Agoura California Posts: 268	Thank you very much for the response. I greatly prefer Vegas, but this is a big issue if it is dropping half the frames on capture. Though, I don't really know how this would be possible as the footage is encoded that way and it would be an enormous effort for the software to do that in real time. Hmm. Please post on what you find. I'm really interested in seeing if Cineform can solve my problems with this as 60p is a must for our distribution. If not, I have to go back to Final Cut which I am not happy about.

October 14th, 2008, 10:12 AM	#4
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	It's been a while back that I seem to recall this was posted, once before. The answer was that it really was 60 fps but only the header was reporting 24fps. But, when I open the 60fps files in edius or avid, it correctly reports 59.97 fps, so it can't be the file header. Opening the file in vegas and counting frames in a second of video shows 24 frames. As usual with Vegas, something is fubar.

October 14th, 2008, 12:08 PM	#5
Jason McCormy Major Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Agoura California Posts: 268	Huh. Is there a way to manually change the header in Vegas so it treats it as 60p? I wish they would pay a little more attention to their work.

October 14th, 2008, 12:56 PM	#6
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	no, I mean the header in the video file.

October 14th, 2008, 01:06 PM	#7
Jason McCormy Major Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Agoura California Posts: 268	Ahh. Thank you for your help with this. Hopefully I'll figure it out and be able to use Vegas.

October 14th, 2008, 07:33 PM	#9
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	Don't think it's a vegas problem, exclusively. Avid is doing the same thing.

October 16th, 2008, 08:50 AM	#11
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	I'm embarassed to admit that I have been misleading on this issue. This morning I revisited and make this comment: 1-The HD110 will generate 60fps in m2t format, but, it's a 480p image format 2-Only the HD200 and -250 will generate true 60fps progressive 720p files. Cineform correctly converts and reports the 480p 60fps footage, not a problem.