Orphan Tool in Excalibur at DVinfo.net

Glen Elliott · August 5th, 2003, 05:55 AM

I was working in Vegas last night and came across a situation when I needed the orphan tool to regain audio I had earlier deleted. I ran the tool and the audio was returned, however it isn't "locked" to the video. In other words when I drag my video the audio stays, and vice versa. Is there a way to re-link the audio/video so that they move together without having to manually select both before dragging? Also is this normal for the Orphan tool to do (ie when the audio is returned it's not linked to the video)?

Edward Troxel · August 5th, 2003, 06:56 AM

After it is re-added, select both pieces and press "G" to "group" them back together. Grouping is currently not scriptable.

Glen Elliott · August 5th, 2003, 10:22 AM

Wow, that was easy. I don't remember reading about grouping in the instructional manual- must have missed that one. Thanks!

Edward Troxel · August 5th, 2003, 10:57 AM

See pages 125/126

Glen Elliott · August 5th, 2003, 12:19 PM

Don't tell me you know that out of your head! I know your a Vegas guru and all but knowing areas of the Vegas manual like some know chapter and verse in the bible is insaine! lol

Edward Troxel · August 5th, 2003, 12:43 PM

I cheated. I looked at the PDF file that is on this computer for reference purposes! :-)

Glen Elliott · August 5th, 2003, 12:58 PM

Awww see now you messed it up- you should have kept quiet and tried to maintain your omnipotent guru aura. ;)

Bob Benkosky · August 13th, 2003, 09:44 PM

What's this Excaliber? What does this do?

Don Bloom · August 14th, 2003, 05:06 AM

Excalibur is a plugin written by the omnipotent guru (how's that Edward?) and another Vegas guru, Gary Kleiner, that makes life so easy when using Vegas Video, I almost have my dog doing edits for me ;-)

Excalibur has a number of prescripted tasks in it, goto www.vegastoolsandtraining.com and check it out. If you use Vegas, you need to have this program.

Don

Edward Troxel · August 14th, 2003, 07:25 AM

Sorry, I can't live up to "omnipotent". But I do what I can.

Excalibur originally started as a way to make multi-cam editing easier and, thus, was born the Multi-Cam Wizard. Expanding on that idea, since the clips must be in sync to edit, the Sync Wizard was born. Then 10 other wizards were added giving you 12 tools you can assign to a single toolbar button including, as this post started, the Orphan Wizard. I find them very useful.

Graham Bernard · August 18th, 2003, 01:08 PM

Have used the MCWiz for a complex dance sequence - Worked like a dream. It did 100 odd camera switches within 10 seconds - fabulous.

Grazie

Rob Lohman · August 20th, 2003, 08:51 AM

I'm still not sure what the orphan tool exactly does.... Can someone
give a clear explenation of this, please?

Edward Troxel · August 20th, 2003, 09:22 AM

I believe I can answer that :-)

Sometimes, when editing, you may have been working with an audio or video segment and, "because you didn't need it," you delete the other (or you messed up and deleted it but have since done so many things you don't want to undo). So now you have an audio clip with no video or a video clip with no audio. What do you do if you then decide you really wanted to keep the video or audio? You run Orphan Wizard.

Select the video clip, run Orphan Wizard, and the corresponding audio will be added back to the project and in perfect alignment (NOTE: They will NOT be group but will be aligned correctly).

Straight from the manual:
The Orphan Wizard will add a missing audio or video event matching the selected video or audio event. For example, if the
audio had been accidentally deleted, clicking on the video event and running Orphan Wizard would bring the matching
audio event into an Orphan track. The audio event could then be moved to the desired location.

Rob Lohman · August 20th, 2003, 09:34 AM

Ah... that expains it. Thanks! Too bad grouping still isn't accessable
through scripting. Could use it on Lady X. Oh well.

August 5th, 2003, 05:55 AM	#1
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Orphan Tool in Excalibur I was working in Vegas last night and came across a situation when I needed the orphan tool to regain audio I had earlier deleted. I ran the tool and the audio was returned, however it isn't "locked" to the video. In other words when I drag my video the audio stays, and vice versa. Is there a way to re-link the audio/video so that they move together without having to manually select both before dragging? Also is this normal for the Orphan tool to do (ie when the audio is returned it's not linked to the video)?

August 13th, 2003, 09:44 PM	#8
Bob Benkosky Major Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Lake Park, Florida Posts: 202	What's this Excaliber? What does this do? __________________ http://www.veoh.com/channels/filmmaker My clips and films.

August 18th, 2003, 01:08 PM	#11
Graham Bernard Old Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London UK Posts: 3,633	Multi Cam Saved My Backside! Have used the MCWiz for a complex dance sequence - Worked like a dream. It did 100 odd camera switches within 10 seconds - fabulous. Grazie

August 20th, 2003, 08:51 AM	#12
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I'm still not sure what the orphan tool exactly does.... Can someone give a clear explenation of this, please? __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

August 20th, 2003, 09:34 AM	#14
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Ah... that expains it. Thanks! Too bad grouping still isn't accessable through scripting. Could use it on Lady X. Oh well. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

August 5th, 2003, 06:56 AM	#2
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	After it is re-added, select both pieces and press "G" to "group" them back together. Grouping is currently not scriptable.

August 5th, 2003, 10:22 AM	#3
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Wow, that was easy. I don't remember reading about grouping in the instructional manual- must have missed that one. Thanks!

August 5th, 2003, 10:57 AM	#4
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	See pages 125/126

August 5th, 2003, 12:19 PM	#5
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Don't tell me you know that out of your head! I know your a Vegas guru and all but knowing areas of the Vegas manual like some know chapter and verse in the bible is insaine! lol

August 5th, 2003, 12:43 PM	#6
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I cheated. I looked at the PDF file that is on this computer for reference purposes! :-)

August 5th, 2003, 12:58 PM	#7
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Awww see now you messed it up- you should have kept quiet and tried to maintain your omnipotent guru aura. ;)

August 14th, 2003, 05:06 AM	#9
Don Bloom Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,609	Excalibur is a plugin written by the omnipotent guru (how's that Edward?) and another Vegas guru, Gary Kleiner, that makes life so easy when using Vegas Video, I almost have my dog doing edits for me ;-) Excalibur has a number of prescripted tasks in it, goto www.vegastoolsandtraining.com and check it out. If you use Vegas, you need to have this program. Don

August 14th, 2003, 07:25 AM	#10
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Sorry, I can't live up to "omnipotent". But I do what I can. Excalibur originally started as a way to make multi-cam editing easier and, thus, was born the Multi-Cam Wizard. Expanding on that idea, since the clips must be in sync to edit, the Sync Wizard was born. Then 10 other wizards were added giving you 12 tools you can assign to a single toolbar button including, as this post started, the Orphan Wizard. I find them very useful.

August 20th, 2003, 09:22 AM	#13
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I believe I can answer that :-) Sometimes, when editing, you may have been working with an audio or video segment and, "because you didn't need it," you delete the other (or you messed up and deleted it but have since done so many things you don't want to undo). So now you have an audio clip with no video or a video clip with no audio. What do you do if you then decide you really wanted to keep the video or audio? You run Orphan Wizard. Select the video clip, run Orphan Wizard, and the corresponding audio will be added back to the project and in perfect alignment (NOTE: They will NOT be group but will be aligned correctly). Straight from the manual: The Orphan Wizard will add a missing audio or video event matching the selected video or audio event. For example, if the audio had been accidentally deleted, clicking on the video event and running Orphan Wizard would bring the matching audio event into an Orphan track. The audio event could then be moved to the desired location.