Why does this happen with projects ?

[Paul Kellett]

Ok, i edit some footage, save it as a project, go back at a later date, click file>open>vegas projects, then select my project, the project then appears on the timeline as it was when i saved it, ie, multiple tracks, effects etc, when i render a project this way it renders fast, about 2.5 times for dvd, that's ok,
however,
If i go to the project explorer, find the vegas project folder and drag the finished project into the timline, the project only appears as a single track (for the video), audio is still as a second track if it was also saved, this is no problem because it's much neater on the timeline, BUT if i try to render this, to dvd or whatever, it takes ages, so long that i can't even wait to see how long, at least 20 times to render.

I'm editing a wedding and what i want to do is save each part as a project as i complete it, for example, the first part is a photo montage with 14 video tracks,( renders straight off in 2 mins, but if i drag the project into the timeline it becomes on track but takes nearly 30 mins to render), next i want to edit the preperations then save that as a project, then the arrivals, then ceremony, then speeches.
When all the projects are completed i then want to put/drag all the projects onto the timeline and render the finished project but this will take (days ?) to render.
Is there an easier way ?

Paul.

[Oliver Darden]

I deal with the same issue. If I am working with less than 20 or so tracks I just work messy to cut the rendering time. When I try to drop the Vegas project file into the time line and render that way, it takes about 15mins to render for 3 mins of footage with no effects. I am using a PC / 3.4Ghz / P4 with 4GBs of ram.

If I am going to keep using Vegas and working on large projects I'm thinking of buying an 8 core Mac Pro and running boot camp with windows and Vegas.

[Don Bloom]

my workflow for years with Vegas is this.
Cut the section save as a VEG of course-render to AVI. Bring the rendered AVIs into a new project called say, "the wedding" stitch all the avis together, then I render each piece to mpg/ac3 seperately and use end actions in DVDa to create my dvd.
Even though the nested veg ability works great I keep going back to the old way I've always done it.
Maybe try it and see. Your choice.

Don

[Paul Kellett]

Don
So my first project, the photo montage with 14 video tracks, render that as an AVI for windows ? Default template but "best render" ?
Then the next part/project i saved, the preperations, save that as an AVI same as above, but save the audio seperatley ? AC3 ?

Do all parts of the wedding like this then just drag them all onto the timeline at the end and render for dvd that'll be ok yes ? It won't take ages to rerender to dvd/mpeg-2 for dvd-a, or cause los of quality due to being rendered to different formats twice ?

Hope this is correct cos it'll save me a couple of days work.

Thanks, Paul.

[Edward Troxel]

Paul, what you're seeing is a FEATURE called "Nested VEG files". It's a way of including a complete project in a new project without having to have all of the individual tracks shown. If you want the file opened, don't drag it to the timeline. Instead, either choose "File - Open" and select it (as you've done) or in the explorer window, right-click it and choose the option to open the project instead of nesting it.

[Paul Kellett]

Hi Edward.
I just did what you said, ie right click>open, it does open the project with all the 14 tracks, but then if i want to add another project i've saved(the next part of the wedding,the preperations), if i right click on that project and select open, it does go onto the timeline but it removes the first project . What i want to do is add project, add project, add project so that all projects/parts of the wedding are on the timeline, then render for dvd-a.
The only way i've found to do this is by dragging the projects onto the timeline, this doesn't remove the previous project from the timeline, but this way then takes ages to render.

Thanks, Paul.

[Paul Kellett]

Don.
I just tried your way, rendering the photo project to avi, this 1 min project still took 18 mins to render to avi, which then still needs to be rerendered to mpeg-2 so this is no quicker than dragging the project and rendering straight to mpeg-2.
Thanks anyway.

Paul.

[Edward Troxel]

The idea behind Nested VEG files is that you can work on each piece individually, drag all the pieces to a "Final" project. In that case, you don't need all the details and you're still using the original media so the quality is the highest possible.

If, for some reason, you DO need to edit a section more, you can right-click that VEG file on the timeline and choose the option to edit it. It will then reopen with ALL the tracks allowing you to make changes. Once saved, the changes should be automatically reflected back in the "final" project.

[Paul Kellett]

Edward.
Drag all the projects onto a final project/timeline. That's what i've been doing, dragging them from the explorer onto the timeline, but then the projects/ finished project takes much longer to render, around 20 times instad of around 3 times, why is this ?
When i save the projects, should i select "save media with project".Idid this and i end up with more clips but they're not contained within the project, just in the same folder as the nested file.

I just draggd the photo project onto the timeline and then right clicked and chose "edit in vegas", and another instance of vegas opened with all the 14 tracks. So you're saying that if i edit in the 2nd instance of vegas, save that project, that the first instance of vegas will "updated", that's cool.


I still wish i could just drag all projects onto a new timeline and render that at the usual speed, ie 3 times.

Paul.

[Edward Troxel]

Originally Posted by Paul Kellett

When i save the projects, should i select "save media with project".Idid this and i end up with more clips but they're not contained within the project, just in the same folder as the nested file.

No. That just copies the files to a new folder giving you another copy of them. You don't need that.

Originally Posted by Paul Kellett

I just draggd the photo project onto the timeline and then right clicked and chose "edit in vegas", and another instance of vegas opened with all the 14 tracks. So you're saying that if i edit in the 2nd instance of vegas, save that project, that the first instance of vegas will "updated", that's cool.

Yes. The original instance of Vegas will be updated when you save the VEG file.

Originally Posted by Paul Kellett

I still wish i could just drag all projects onto a new timeline and render that at the usual speed, ie 3 times.

Now you're back to what Don suggested - render each piece out separately and put the separate renders on a new timeline. It will be faster but you've potentially lost some color information in the process. Another option would be to build the entire project on a single timeline but that can get complicated too.

There are several options available here - you just need to find the one that works best for you.

[Paul Kellett]

Ok thanks for all your help, i tried Don's way re, the avi route but this doesn't really speed up the process.
Dragging the seperate projects onto a new timeline is helpful but takes a long time to render, i'll remember that in future.
I've sort of worked out a workflow for this project, start again and keep a seperate video track as a project for the multicam stuff at the ceremony and speeches, once that is done i can then shove the whole lot along the timeline and then build the 14 track photo intro, then render,this is easier than building 14 video tracks first and then only working on 3 or 4 of them for the rest of the edit.

Thanks again guys.

Paul.

[Don Bloom]

time is relavent. If you have lots of effects on the project especially MB it will take some time but it's easier for me, to work with a clip than the nested vegs files. Just something I've been doing for a long time and it's hard for me to change.

Do what works best for you. Nested vegs work well but like I say, it's hard to teach an old horse new tricks.

Don

[Paul Kellett]

Don, what's MB ?

Paul.

[Edward Troxel]

Originally Posted by Paul Kellett

what's MB ?

Magic Bullet. Which has always taken a long time to render. The newest version should be faster than the older one included with previous versions of Vegas.

[Paul Kellett]

MB = Magic Bullet, ok, thanks Edward.

Paul.