Magic Bullet Looks

Alastair Brown · June 11th, 2008, 01:04 AM

On my Quad Core preview is fine on Best Auto with the screen at the smaller size (double click on the blu bar of the preview window). Best Full is choppy as you describe at either size.

It's REALLY good. This is kinda like Photoshop for video.

Ian Stark · June 11th, 2008, 01:38 AM

Not sure what the cheapest route is but I think it's a good investment at even the list price!

Regarding the slow down in performance, there are certain tools which have a significant impact and could well cause the slow down you're experiencing. I will look through the beta testers notes and report back.

Ian Stark · June 11th, 2008, 02:18 AM

It's a shame that the Vegas version doesn't allow you to use masks or keyframes like the After Effects version, and the inability to view the results of an effect in real time or preview via firewire to a production monitor are also minor niggles, but overall I think this is a stunning toolbox.

I wholeheartedly recommend every Vegas user to take a look at the demo.

Re performance - things that affect focus, eg the swing tilt tool, will have a much greater impact. Try the simple black and white preset looks and see how that differs from the Focus Left Cool preset.

I'm rendering out a complex 18 minute project right now and I have MB at track level on all video tracks and then further instances on roughly 20% of clips at event level (plus a similar number of Color Curves). The render is around 3 hours on a quadcore 6700 (although I just noticed that CPU usage averages around 50% and peaks at 65% on all four processors - am I right in believing I can force it to use 100% of the processors?).

And good news for Photoshoppers. Red Giant is building a version for PS!

Alastair Brown · June 11th, 2008, 04:58 AM

The lack of keyframes is a HUGE omission. I found myself instantly wishing it had that. Do you think it will be added or are us poor Vegas users doomed to have a crippled version?

Ian Stark · June 11th, 2008, 07:52 AM

I'm afraid it looks like that is a limitation of Vegas rather than something Red Giant forgot to put in. Not sure exactly what the limitation is but that's how they described it to me. I guess keyframed masks could be created on a duplicate copy of the track but it's a shame not to be able to keyframe the values of the effects.

Even so, pretty bleedin' nice, innit??

Michael Mann · June 12th, 2008, 01:37 AM

I just installed the Looks for Vegas demo version (XP, single core CPU, Vegas 8.0b).
But when inserting Looks in the Vegas effects chain and clicking on edit I get an error message starting "An OpenGL error ocurred ...". Can anyone help? Thanks in advance.

Jeff Harper · June 12th, 2008, 01:59 AM

Yes Ian, it is very nice....beautiful stuff.

Guile Branco · June 12th, 2008, 05:23 PM

I know this depends on many factors - such as CPU speed, etc... - but how much time in average it would take me to render a 100 minutes project (with Magic Bullet effects all the way) into MPG2 and/or QT using Vegas 8?

I understand Magic Bullet slows rendering time a lot, but how much more. A few days ago I rendered a 40 minute project without using Magic Bullet, and I believe it took me a couple of hours, with good preview, easy. Now this current project (with MB) has been rendering for 3 hours and there's no preview (I am assuming MB has something to do with it) and still 0%.

Thanks!

Jeff Harper · June 12th, 2008, 06:52 PM

A 100 minute project with MB effect all the way through, if you have an old processor will take a LONG LONG time. There is no average speed that is documented. Processor speed is everything.

Guile Branco · June 12th, 2008, 10:47 PM

I have a"Intel Quad Core" 2.40GHZ - so I think its pretty fast.
The render now is at about 7 hours - and still shows 0% - the aproximate time left goes up to around 24hrs then down to 5 hrs then back up... Is this normal?

Alastair Brown · June 12th, 2008, 11:27 PM

Doesn't sound right to me. What does the cpu activity look like in your task manager?

Ctrl/Alt/Del then performance tab.

Ian Stark · June 13th, 2008, 12:16 AM

I agree with Alastair - looks like something has gone wrong.

Ian Stark · June 13th, 2008, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alastair Brown

Great News!

Now....what is the cheapest route to getting it?

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=123627 Is this any good, Alastair?

Alastair Brown · June 13th, 2008, 06:05 AM

Darn an Blast!!!!!!

Too late! I jumped almost immediately. Maybe an e-mail to Dave will work?

It is just a whole new chapter in what you can do with video though, so, I'm not grumbling.....too much!

Jeff Harper · June 13th, 2008, 06:57 AM

Guile, I notice you said that it took a couple of hours to render a 40 minute project without MB the other day. With a Quad core just like yours my workstation would render out a 40 minute project in 18 minutes or so. Is there something else going on in your project that is slowing it down?

June 11th, 2008, 01:38 AM	#32
Ian Stark Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,237	Not sure what the cheapest route is but I think it's a good investment at even the list price! Regarding the slow down in performance, there are certain tools which have a significant impact and could well cause the slow down you're experiencing. I will look through the beta testers notes and report back. __________________ www.vit-media.com www.classicmachinefilms.co.uk

June 11th, 2008, 02:18 AM	#33
Ian Stark Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,237	It's a shame that the Vegas version doesn't allow you to use masks or keyframes like the After Effects version, and the inability to view the results of an effect in real time or preview via firewire to a production monitor are also minor niggles, but overall I think this is a stunning toolbox. I wholeheartedly recommend every Vegas user to take a look at the demo. Re performance - things that affect focus, eg the swing tilt tool, will have a much greater impact. Try the simple black and white preset looks and see how that differs from the Focus Left Cool preset. I'm rendering out a complex 18 minute project right now and I have MB at track level on all video tracks and then further instances on roughly 20% of clips at event level (plus a similar number of Color Curves). The render is around 3 hours on a quadcore 6700 (although I just noticed that CPU usage averages around 50% and peaks at 65% on all four processors - am I right in believing I can force it to use 100% of the processors?). And good news for Photoshoppers. Red Giant is building a version for PS! __________________ www.vit-media.com www.classicmachinefilms.co.uk

June 11th, 2008, 07:52 AM	#35
Ian Stark Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,237	I'm afraid it looks like that is a limitation of Vegas rather than something Red Giant forgot to put in. Not sure exactly what the limitation is but that's how they described it to me. I guess keyframed masks could be created on a duplicate copy of the track but it's a shame not to be able to keyframe the values of the effects. Even so, pretty bleedin' nice, innit?? __________________ www.vit-media.com www.classicmachinefilms.co.uk

June 12th, 2008, 01:37 AM	#36
Michael Mann Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kelkheim, Germany Posts: 375	"An OpenGL error ocurred ..." I just installed the Looks for Vegas demo version (XP, single core CPU, Vegas 8.0b). But when inserting Looks in the Vegas effects chain and clicking on edit I get an error message starting "An OpenGL error ocurred ...". Can anyone help? Thanks in advance. __________________ Michael

June 12th, 2008, 05:23 PM	#38
Guile Branco New Boot Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Sherman Oaks, CA Posts: 22	MB rendering time/Vegas 8 I know this depends on many factors - such as CPU speed, etc... - but how much time in average it would take me to render a 100 minutes project (with Magic Bullet effects all the way) into MPG2 and/or QT using Vegas 8? I understand Magic Bullet slows rendering time a lot, but how much more. A few days ago I rendered a 40 minute project without using Magic Bullet, and I believe it took me a couple of hours, with good preview, easy. Now this current project (with MB) has been rendering for 3 hours and there's no preview (I am assuming MB has something to do with it) and still 0%. Thanks!

June 11th, 2008, 01:04 AM	#31
Alastair Brown Major Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Glasgow/Scotland Posts: 626	On my Quad Core preview is fine on Best Auto with the screen at the smaller size (double click on the blu bar of the preview window). Best Full is choppy as you describe at either size. It's REALLY good. This is kinda like Photoshop for video.

June 11th, 2008, 04:58 AM	#34
Alastair Brown Major Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Glasgow/Scotland Posts: 626	The lack of keyframes is a HUGE omission. I found myself instantly wishing it had that. Do you think it will be added or are us poor Vegas users doomed to have a crippled version?

June 12th, 2008, 01:59 AM	#37
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Yes Ian, it is very nice....beautiful stuff.

June 12th, 2008, 06:52 PM	#39
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	A 100 minute project with MB effect all the way through, if you have an old processor will take a LONG LONG time. There is no average speed that is documented. Processor speed is everything.

June 12th, 2008, 10:47 PM	#40
Guile Branco New Boot Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Sherman Oaks, CA Posts: 22	I have a"Intel Quad Core" 2.40GHZ - so I think its pretty fast. The render now is at about 7 hours - and still shows 0% - the aproximate time left goes up to around 24hrs then down to 5 hrs then back up... Is this normal?

June 12th, 2008, 11:27 PM	#41
Alastair Brown Major Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Glasgow/Scotland Posts: 626	Doesn't sound right to me. What does the cpu activity look like in your task manager? Ctrl/Alt/Del then performance tab.

June 13th, 2008, 12:16 AM	#42
Ian Stark Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,237	I agree with Alastair - looks like something has gone wrong. __________________ www.vit-media.com www.classicmachinefilms.co.uk

June 13th, 2008, 06:05 AM	#44
Alastair Brown Major Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Glasgow/Scotland Posts: 626	Darn an Blast!!!!!! Too late! I jumped almost immediately. Maybe an e-mail to Dave will work? It is just a whole new chapter in what you can do with video though, so, I'm not grumbling.....too much!

June 13th, 2008, 06:57 AM	#45
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Guile, I notice you said that it took a couple of hours to render a 40 minute project without MB the other day. With a Quad core just like yours my workstation would render out a 40 minute project in 18 minutes or so. Is there something else going on in your project that is slowing it down?