New Vegas system/upgrade? at DVinfo.net

Anthony Martin · May 8th, 2008, 09:55 AM

My current system seems a bit sluggish editing hdv in Vegas. (AMD 64 4200 x2, 1gb ram). Playback is studdery. I am considering adding a new pc, I could get a dell with a quad core 6600 w/ 3gb ram for under $700. In the mean time I was thinking about adding some ram. Is this worth while? What is causing my system to be sluggish? RAM? Processor? Video card? Thanks

Jeff Harper · May 8th, 2008, 10:47 AM

Ram would help a bit, but your processor is a tad old. If you're going to keep your computer for more than a couple of months you might add RAM, but if you could hold out and save your money, you'll get double the speed for rendering etc and much improved performance with a Quad-Core.

Have you reformatted your hard drive and reinstalled everything? That can help if you haven't done that for awhile and doesn't cost a thing.

The age of your processor combined with lack of RAM is definitely not an ideal situation, but with a reinstall of everything and some additional RAM you might be satisfied for a while longer. Thing is, when you do get a faster machine you'll very much wish you had done it sooner! Of course we can only do these things when the money is there, and we all know how that can be!

Anthony Martin · May 8th, 2008, 11:00 AM

Thanks for the input Jeff.

Jason Robinson · May 9th, 2008, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Martin

Thanks for the input Jeff.

I do a complete system wipe about twice a year. Helps a ton. Also, if you just stick the the vanilla plain XP pro and don't do any OS updates / service packs, then it is pretty zippy.

the largest culprit of system resources is going to be a bloated system registry with all the dozens and dozens of installed codecs, share ware FLV converters, etc etc. Wiping the system every once and a while helps a lot. IT also forces you to do a complete system backup with is never a bad idea. Helps you know what is important, and what is "the crap that accumulates on the temp folder".

Anthony Martin · May 9th, 2008, 02:26 PM

So this is what I am looking at. Will this solve my problem and be able to smoothly edit HDV m2t files in Vegas?

intel Core 2 Quad Processor Q6600 (8MB L2 cache,2.4GHz,1066FSB)
MEMORY 4GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz- 4DIMMs
250GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/DataBurst Cache
Radeon ATI HD 2600 XT 256MB

Jeff Harper · May 9th, 2008, 04:33 PM

Your "new" system sounds good and would be a great improvement, but HD will be brutal even with that, but it will MUCH improved. At the prices for the Q6600 it's a smart move.

For conversation's sake, think about the following.

Vegas 64 bit is coming, if you'd consider Vista 64 bit, you might want to have 8GB RAM or more to be ready for it.

Also for your system drive, the new VelociRaptor is quite nice (brand spanking new and very fast) and is 300GB.

Anthony Martin · May 9th, 2008, 04:49 PM

I thought about that. The system I am looking at is a Dell for around $800 or so with a 22" monitor seems like a good deal. They do not support 64 bit editing systems/ drivers. I thought about building one but do not have the time or the patience right now with projects waiting to be edited. I would love to go 64 bit though.

Anthony Martin · May 9th, 2008, 04:53 PM

BTW Jeff. It seems like it takes forever just dropping clips in the time line in HD compared to Dv. When I look at my task manager while working in Vegas, one core is maxed out while the other is barely being used. Is there a setting to use both cores? Thanks.

Jeff Harper · May 9th, 2008, 05:59 PM

I have seen that discussed on this forum, or at least something similar, and there seemed to be disagreement as to the why and wherefore of that. I don't have an answer to that frustration, wish I did. At least with the Quad Core you would have two cores (which will show up as one in Task Manager) working at least. I hate HD, and I'm not even doing it yet. I have just resigned myself to the fact that it will take a lot longer and be much less fun.

But I think your move to a Quad Core would be a great move, and I wish you luck on getting your Quad sooner than later. You will, I'm sure, be pleased.

To answer your question, there is a setting in preferences but if you haven't changed it from the default than there isn't much to do about it, at least as far as I know. Maybe you should post this in a new thread and get some opinions?

Anthony Martin · May 9th, 2008, 06:21 PM

"I have just resigned myself to the fact that it will take a lot longer and be much less fun."
You said it !!!
thanks for taking the time, I appreciate it.

Roger Shealy · May 9th, 2008, 06:28 PM

Anthony,

You should be fine with the system you stated. I am using a dual AMD 6400+ @ 3.2, 4GB Ram; 6600GTS video; and I can edit 3 layers of HDV in the timeline @ about 25 - 30 FPS. 2 lines of HDV or @ 30 FPS. I never pre-render anymore.

HD is a different matter and I'm not sure what it will take to process 1920 @ 30FPS! I'm sure the lights will dim when you turn whatever it is on.

Anthony Martin · May 9th, 2008, 06:56 PM

Roger,
That's all I need. Tops 3 tracks. It is taking me forever to load clips into the timeline which is wasting so much time. I think I'll have to bite the bullet and go for it. I might try to add some ram anyway as I will still be using this computer. Thanks

Anthony Martin · May 9th, 2008, 07:46 PM

Just hooked my Sata external hd usb2 to my Dell T7300 laptop. 2.0 core duo 2gb ram. With external secondary monitor for preview. Smooth as silk. This will buy me some thinking time. Thanks all.

Roger Shealy · May 10th, 2008, 07:07 AM

Keeping the editing files off of the same HD as the OS is pretty important, otherw By the way, I'm also using Vista64, which has worked well so far.

I like to use 3 drives, one for the OS, one for the project, and one to render the final project. My project HD is an external 0.5TB and I bought 2 extra extra power supplies to hook to my other two computers (one at work, one across the room). I can just power down the drive, take it over to the other computer, and use that one for rendering, adding music, or portability for work.

Sherif Choudhry · May 10th, 2008, 07:23 AM

Hi

If you are doing simple editing (just cuts, and not using colour correction filters, and 1 or 2 video tracks etc) on very short movies, then your setup will be fine. and will last several years BUT that didnt work for me ......

I went thru PAIN in Sept when I got my Quadcore 2.4ghz machine with 2Gb RAM and standard SATA 7,200 rpm drives - here are the lessons I learnt BECAUSE I started to get adventureous (tons of filters for colour correction, multiple video and audio tracks with filters, and long movies that needed rendering for DVD:

- spend as much money as you can afford on the processor - get > 3Ghz
- get the fastest hard drives you can afford, raid arrays are cheap, and put in >7200 drives, eg 10,000 or 15,000 rpm for the drive that will hold your raw clips
- Windows XP can only see up around 3Gb (it varies between machines) but I would get 4Gb for when you go to 64bit or Vista

Honestly, I wish I had spent more because I had the money but the advice I was getting said the 2.4Ghz spec would be OK. It was, but only for a while....

May 8th, 2008, 09:55 AM	#1
Anthony Martin Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hauppauge, New York Posts: 49	New Vegas system/upgrade? My current system seems a bit sluggish editing hdv in Vegas. (AMD 64 4200 x2, 1gb ram). Playback is studdery. I am considering adding a new pc, I could get a dell with a quad core 6600 w/ 3gb ram for under $700. In the mean time I was thinking about adding some ram. Is this worth while? What is causing my system to be sluggish? RAM? Processor? Video card? Thanks

May 10th, 2008, 07:23 AM	#15
Sherif Choudhry Major Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: London Posts: 222	Get as MUCH processor power, 2.4Ghz is minimum Hi If you are doing simple editing (just cuts, and not using colour correction filters, and 1 or 2 video tracks etc) on very short movies, then your setup will be fine. and will last several years BUT that didnt work for me ...... I went thru PAIN in Sept when I got my Quadcore 2.4ghz machine with 2Gb RAM and standard SATA 7,200 rpm drives - here are the lessons I learnt BECAUSE I started to get adventureous (tons of filters for colour correction, multiple video and audio tracks with filters, and long movies that needed rendering for DVD: - spend as much money as you can afford on the processor - get > 3Ghz - get the fastest hard drives you can afford, raid arrays are cheap, and put in >7200 drives, eg 10,000 or 15,000 rpm for the drive that will hold your raw clips - Windows XP can only see up around 3Gb (it varies between machines) but I would get 4Gb for when you go to 64bit or Vista Honestly, I wish I had spent more because I had the money but the advice I was getting said the 2.4Ghz spec would be OK. It was, but only for a while....

May 8th, 2008, 10:47 AM	#2
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Ram would help a bit, but your processor is a tad old. If you're going to keep your computer for more than a couple of months you might add RAM, but if you could hold out and save your money, you'll get double the speed for rendering etc and much improved performance with a Quad-Core. Have you reformatted your hard drive and reinstalled everything? That can help if you haven't done that for awhile and doesn't cost a thing. The age of your processor combined with lack of RAM is definitely not an ideal situation, but with a reinstall of everything and some additional RAM you might be satisfied for a while longer. Thing is, when you do get a faster machine you'll very much wish you had done it sooner! Of course we can only do these things when the money is there, and we all know how that can be!

May 8th, 2008, 11:00 AM	#3
Anthony Martin Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hauppauge, New York Posts: 49	Thanks for the input Jeff.

May 9th, 2008, 02:26 PM	#5
Anthony Martin Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hauppauge, New York Posts: 49	So this is what I am looking at. Will this solve my problem and be able to smoothly edit HDV m2t files in Vegas? intel Core 2 Quad Processor Q6600 (8MB L2 cache,2.4GHz,1066FSB) MEMORY 4GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz- 4DIMMs 250GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/DataBurst Cache Radeon ATI HD 2600 XT 256MB

May 9th, 2008, 04:33 PM	#6
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Your "new" system sounds good and would be a great improvement, but HD will be brutal even with that, but it will MUCH improved. At the prices for the Q6600 it's a smart move. For conversation's sake, think about the following. Vegas 64 bit is coming, if you'd consider Vista 64 bit, you might want to have 8GB RAM or more to be ready for it. Also for your system drive, the new VelociRaptor is quite nice (brand spanking new and very fast) and is 300GB.

May 9th, 2008, 04:49 PM	#7
Anthony Martin Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hauppauge, New York Posts: 49	I thought about that. The system I am looking at is a Dell for around $800 or so with a 22" monitor seems like a good deal. They do not support 64 bit editing systems/ drivers. I thought about building one but do not have the time or the patience right now with projects waiting to be edited. I would love to go 64 bit though.

May 9th, 2008, 04:53 PM	#8
Anthony Martin Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hauppauge, New York Posts: 49	BTW Jeff. It seems like it takes forever just dropping clips in the time line in HD compared to Dv. When I look at my task manager while working in Vegas, one core is maxed out while the other is barely being used. Is there a setting to use both cores? Thanks.

May 9th, 2008, 05:59 PM	#9
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	I have seen that discussed on this forum, or at least something similar, and there seemed to be disagreement as to the why and wherefore of that. I don't have an answer to that frustration, wish I did. At least with the Quad Core you would have two cores (which will show up as one in Task Manager) working at least. I hate HD, and I'm not even doing it yet. I have just resigned myself to the fact that it will take a lot longer and be much less fun. But I think your move to a Quad Core would be a great move, and I wish you luck on getting your Quad sooner than later. You will, I'm sure, be pleased. To answer your question, there is a setting in preferences but if you haven't changed it from the default than there isn't much to do about it, at least as far as I know. Maybe you should post this in a new thread and get some opinions?

May 9th, 2008, 06:21 PM	#10
Anthony Martin Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hauppauge, New York Posts: 49	"I have just resigned myself to the fact that it will take a lot longer and be much less fun." You said it !!! thanks for taking the time, I appreciate it.

May 9th, 2008, 06:28 PM	#11
Roger Shealy Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Fayetteville, GA Posts: 772	Anthony, You should be fine with the system you stated. I am using a dual AMD 6400+ @ 3.2, 4GB Ram; 6600GTS video; and I can edit 3 layers of HDV in the timeline @ about 25 - 30 FPS. 2 lines of HDV or @ 30 FPS. I never pre-render anymore. HD is a different matter and I'm not sure what it will take to process 1920 @ 30FPS! I'm sure the lights will dim when you turn whatever it is on.

May 9th, 2008, 06:56 PM	#12
Anthony Martin Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hauppauge, New York Posts: 49	Roger, That's all I need. Tops 3 tracks. It is taking me forever to load clips into the timeline which is wasting so much time. I think I'll have to bite the bullet and go for it. I might try to add some ram anyway as I will still be using this computer. Thanks

May 9th, 2008, 07:46 PM	#13
Anthony Martin Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hauppauge, New York Posts: 49	Just hooked my Sata external hd usb2 to my Dell T7300 laptop. 2.0 core duo 2gb ram. With external secondary monitor for preview. Smooth as silk. This will buy me some thinking time. Thanks all.

May 10th, 2008, 07:07 AM	#14
Roger Shealy Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Fayetteville, GA Posts: 772	Keeping the editing files off of the same HD as the OS is pretty important, otherw By the way, I'm also using Vista64, which has worked well so far. I like to use 3 drives, one for the OS, one for the project, and one to render the final project. My project HD is an external 0.5TB and I bought 2 extra extra power supplies to hook to my other two computers (one at work, one across the room). I can just power down the drive, take it over to the other computer, and use that one for rendering, adding music, or portability for work.