Adapting to Vegas Pro 8 with Premiere CS3 mindset at DVinfo.net

Renat Zarbailov · March 29th, 2008, 07:04 PM

Hello gang!
I have been using Premiere since version 4, starting back in 1998. I am an expert in this app. However lately I have been having Premiere CS3 3.1.1 crashing on me even on a newly built 4-core processor machine. So I think that it's time to jump ship since Adobe, despite creating the most user-friendly NLE, has undermined the foundation (the engine) behind it.

My questions to you, kind Vegas users, in regards to Vegas Pro 8b are;

1. How does one create sequences, or multiple timelines in case if the project is episode-based?

2. How to change the way the current‑time indicator acts (in Premiere it's blue triagle-like)? In Vegas if you hit the spacebar to play the timeline and then hitting it again returns the current‑time indicator back to the point where the playback started rather than stopping at the point where it reached.

3. How to export to FLV right out of the timeline without rendering to an AVI or other formats? I could easily do so in Premiere. Or export to H.264 for Vimeo if the footage is in HD.

Currently, these are the burning questions I am so in need to find answers to.

Any help is truly appreciated

Perrone Ford · March 29th, 2008, 07:10 PM

I am not familiar with CS3, though I used to cut on an earlier version of Premiere. But I will say this:

You will be a LOT happier using Vegas, or any other editor, if you stop trying to use it like what you just left, and learn to use it for what it is.

Vegas has it's quirks, but if you give the program a chance, you'l find that it makes many things easier than any other editor out there. Very few of us used Vegas as our first editor, but many of us have gotten here, and have not looked back. In my own case, I went from Canopus to Premiere, to Vegas 6. Now I am on Vegas 8 and not planning on moving to anything else.

Renat Zarbailov · March 29th, 2008, 08:06 PM

Question number 2 is taken care of. In the general preferences there's a way to turn the current-time indicator to play/pause instead of play/stop.
Yay! :)

Perrone Ford · March 29th, 2008, 08:54 PM

I don't understand what you mean in question 1. Semantics I guess because I don't know what a "sequence" is. Or what you are trying to achieve with multiple timelines.

As to question 3...

http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/0...o-flash-video/

Best of luck.

When I want flash video files, I use Riva Encoder.

Renat Zarbailov · March 29th, 2008, 09:01 PM

Well Premiere has ability to have sequences, in other words multiple timelines. This allows only one project file for episode-based projects where each episode has its own timeline. I hope Vegas has a feature like that, it would be painful to create a new Vegas project file for each episode of a show.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perrone Ford

I don't understand what you mean in question 1. Semantics I guess because I don't know what a "sequence" is. Or what you are trying to achieve with multiple timelines.

As to question 3...

http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/0...o-flash-video/

Best of luck.

When I want flash video files, I use Riva Encoder.

Perrone Ford · March 29th, 2008, 09:05 PM

What do you put on the different timelines for episodes?

I guess I am trying to understand what advantage you get by having multiple sequences inside a project.

Do you mean multiple tracks? Where you can drop in new audio and video?

Give me an idea of your workflow from Premiere and what you're trying to achieve, and I am sure either myself, or someone more experienced in Vegas can assist.

Renat Zarbailov · March 29th, 2008, 09:50 PM

You can import sequences into other sequences. Imagine importing a timeline into a timeline... It's called nesting sequesnces http://livedocs.adobe.com/en_US/Prem...8F18D2991.html
Why it is handy? If you need to add some footage from previous episode, it's just a click away. premiere rocks when it comes to usability, but lately no reliability.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perrone Ford

What do you put on the different timelines for episodes?

I guess I am trying to understand what advantage you get by having multiple sequences inside a project.

Do you mean multiple tracks? Where you can drop in new audio and video?

Give me an idea of your workflow from Premiere and what you're trying to achieve, and I am sure either myself, or someone more experienced in Vegas can assist.

Perrone Ford · March 29th, 2008, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Renat Zarbailov

You can import sequences into other sequences. Imagine importing a timeline into a timeline... It's called nesting sequesnces http://livedocs.adobe.com/en_US/Prem...8F18D2991.html
Why it is handy? If you need to add some footage from previous episode, it's just a click away. premiere rocks when it comes to usability, but lately no reliability.

Ah ok... yes, you can do nesting in Vegas as well. I've never used it, but many here have.

John Kert · March 29th, 2008, 10:42 PM

"You can import sequences into other sequences. Imagine importing a timeline into a timeline... It's called nesting sequesnces " For Vegas see below:

1. You can open as many instances simultaniously, of Vegas as you want. You may edit in one and render other project in the other open Vegas instances (and so on). This good news for a quad machine.

2. You can nest projects. Open one project and import other projects into the time line. The imported projects will act as media material. But more importantly, you can re-open each subproject on the timeline and edit it in its own project and when you close it, the result will show up in the main project. To re-edit, right click on the subproject and and in the window select "Edit in Vegas".

I edited a full length movie this way. (1.5 hour long, about fourthy nested scenes. Look at solovereturns.com)

I also edited in Premiere, but have been with Vegas since V3.
As former Premier user you may want to know how to "CUT" in Vegas. Make sure auto ripple is on with all tracks (see help) then just hit the letter "S"

jk

Jeff Harper · March 30th, 2008, 05:15 AM

Welcome to Vegas Renat!

Vegas does not export or render to .flv which is frustrating, but there is a solution. I posted regarding this issue here: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...=116349&page=2 where David outlines a solution.

I have rendered project to uncompressed .avi (huge files obviously) then to .flv and the quality is excellent. FYI do not begin with NTSC .avi template but instead render your .avi files to the default template (uncompressed) for best quality.

March 29th, 2008, 07:04 PM	#1
Renat Zarbailov Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 125	Adapting to Vegas Pro 8 with Premiere CS3 mindset Hello gang! I have been using Premiere since version 4, starting back in 1998. I am an expert in this app. However lately I have been having Premiere CS3 3.1.1 crashing on me even on a newly built 4-core processor machine. So I think that it's time to jump ship since Adobe, despite creating the most user-friendly NLE, has undermined the foundation (the engine) behind it. My questions to you, kind Vegas users, in regards to Vegas Pro 8b are; 1. How does one create sequences, or multiple timelines in case if the project is episode-based? 2. How to change the way the current‑time indicator acts (in Premiere it's blue triagle-like)? In Vegas if you hit the spacebar to play the timeline and then hitting it again returns the current‑time indicator back to the point where the playback started rather than stopping at the point where it reached. 3. How to export to FLV right out of the timeline without rendering to an AVI or other formats? I could easily do so in Premiere. Or export to H.264 for Vimeo if the footage is in HD. Currently, these are the burning questions I am so in need to find answers to. Any help is truly appreciated __________________ Sincerely, Renat Zarbailov of Innomind.org

March 29th, 2008, 08:06 PM	#3
Renat Zarbailov Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 125	Question number 2 is taken care of. In the general preferences there's a way to turn the current-time indicator to play/pause instead of play/stop. Yay! :) __________________ Sincerely, Renat Zarbailov of Innomind.org

March 29th, 2008, 10:42 PM	#9
John Kert New Boot Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: San Luis Obispo, CA Posts: 6	nesting "You can import sequences into other sequences. Imagine importing a timeline into a timeline... It's called nesting sequesnces " For Vegas see below: 1. You can open as many instances simultaniously, of Vegas as you want. You may edit in one and render other project in the other open Vegas instances (and so on). This good news for a quad machine. 2. You can nest projects. Open one project and import other projects into the time line. The imported projects will act as media material. But more importantly, you can re-open each subproject on the timeline and edit it in its own project and when you close it, the result will show up in the main project. To re-edit, right click on the subproject and and in the window select "Edit in Vegas". I edited a full length movie this way. (1.5 hour long, about fourthy nested scenes. Look at solovereturns.com) I also edited in Premiere, but have been with Vegas since V3. As former Premier user you may want to know how to "CUT" in Vegas. Make sure auto ripple is on with all tracks (see help) then just hit the letter "S" jk

March 29th, 2008, 07:10 PM	#2
Perrone Ford Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 4,100	I am not familiar with CS3, though I used to cut on an earlier version of Premiere. But I will say this: You will be a LOT happier using Vegas, or any other editor, if you stop trying to use it like what you just left, and learn to use it for what it is. Vegas has it's quirks, but if you give the program a chance, you'l find that it makes many things easier than any other editor out there. Very few of us used Vegas as our first editor, but many of us have gotten here, and have not looked back. In my own case, I went from Canopus to Premiere, to Vegas 6. Now I am on Vegas 8 and not planning on moving to anything else.

March 29th, 2008, 08:54 PM	#4
Perrone Ford Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 4,100	I don't understand what you mean in question 1. Semantics I guess because I don't know what a "sequence" is. Or what you are trying to achieve with multiple timelines. As to question 3... http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/0...o-flash-video/ Best of luck. When I want flash video files, I use Riva Encoder.

March 29th, 2008, 09:05 PM	#6
Perrone Ford Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 4,100	What do you put on the different timelines for episodes? I guess I am trying to understand what advantage you get by having multiple sequences inside a project. Do you mean multiple tracks? Where you can drop in new audio and video? Give me an idea of your workflow from Premiere and what you're trying to achieve, and I am sure either myself, or someone more experienced in Vegas can assist.

March 30th, 2008, 05:15 AM	#10
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Welcome to Vegas Renat! Vegas does not export or render to .flv which is frustrating, but there is a solution. I posted regarding this issue here: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...=116349&page=2 where David outlines a solution. I have rendered project to uncompressed .avi (huge files obviously) then to .flv and the quality is excellent. FYI do not begin with NTSC .avi template but instead render your .avi files to the default template (uncompressed) for best quality.